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I may not be good at it but I enjoy it. And whats not gimped about it? There are best power sets for it and I'm just kinda sick of Ice/Nrg all over the gaff.

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AT A with powersets X/Y beats AT B with powersets Q/R beats powersets AT C with powersets S/T. This is the premise of most PvP, some sets are better suited to different things, for example a toon with alot of slows rips apart a /regen scrapper, but the slower gets mullered by a good blaster, which gets mullered by a good /regen.

Looking into PvP in greater detail rather than just tracking fotms would grant you a better look at how it works (or doesn't work)


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But you can have three, a Controller a Defender and a Corruptor, allowing for emp, kin and thermal or rad or anything really...

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No. At least in this tournament mixed teams aren't allowed.

So a controller and a defender, yes. But again you would have to abandon another set.

Either way you would have to choose what fits best into your team.

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Why no mixed teams? Do you not want villains to enter?


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theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor

 

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Personally I prefer to do PVP containing all aspects of the game, including travel powers and weird Hami-O/IO slotting. I also, believe this is one of the amusing differences between Bantamweight and Heavyweight. You're much more limited powerwise in Bantamweight and that's part of the fun. At lv 50 though I would expect people to use all available powers to them. It just makes sense. A travel power is part of a squishy's defense.

So far I'll be more likely to enter in a Bantamweight team than Heavyweight. Restrictions are part of the Bantamweight class, so I can live with that, but these enforced restrictions on Heavyweight just make me not want to play it.


 

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To be honest I think that if people only want a max of two buffers in a team, they should just say so, rather than hide behind at/faction limitations, as villains always get the short end of the stick when this happens.


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To be honest I think that if people only want a max of two buffers in a team, they should just say so, rather than hide behind at/faction limitations, as villains always get the short end of the stick when this happens.

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yep, exclusing ATs sucks, personally as a cynical person the "no mixed teams" smacks of people not wanting to fight combos they havent planned for.


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But you can have three, a Controller a Defender and a Corruptor, allowing for emp, kin and thermal or rad or anything really...

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No. At least in this tournament mixed teams aren't allowed.

So a controller and a defender, yes. But again you would have to abandon another set.

Either way you would have to choose what fits best into your team.

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Why no mixed teams? Do you not want villains to enter?

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Sure we want villains to enter the tournament. Maybe we didn't pointed it out clearly enough. Villains will fight against villains and heroes against heroes, to keep it fair.


 

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I won't be entering. Gimped pvp ftl.

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I concur whole-heartedly, Valens turns what I was thinking into clear points, and I therefore don't need to repeat them. Only thing I care about is how this is delaying Omnipotent really . . .

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Indeed! Why?


 

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this is stupid and antivillains as always. why do we need to work hard for a team of corr (only good pvp team for villains) if we cant never use them at the same time?
why heros can always have villains buffers x 2?
heros buffers: troller and defender
vill buffer: corr


 

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why heros can always have villains buffers x 2?
heros buffers: troller and defender
vill buffer: corr

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As Thal just pointed out it's heroes vs. heroes and villains vs. villains, so I dont think this is much of an issue here?


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why heros can always have villains buffers x 2?
heros buffers: troller and defender
vill buffer: corr

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As Thal just pointed out it's heroes vs. heroes and villains vs. villains, so I dont think this is much of an issue here?

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its still exclusionary and I see no justification for this past it may throw up combos people not prepared for


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Well got to say I totally disagree with you there. If you cant fight with out travel powers then your not as good as what you think you are.


 

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Well got to say I totally disagree with you there. If you cant fight with out travel powers then your not as good as what you think you are.

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no1 has said they cant fight without travel powers. the point ppl are saying is that it is far more fun and fair to have travel powers and they are there for a reason.

personally i think allowing to change 2 of ur 4man team every fight is just as stupid as no travel powers.


 

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Well got to say I totally disagree with you there. If you cant fight with out travel powers then your not as good as what you think you are.

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no1 has said they cant fight without travel powers. the point ppl are saying is that it is far more fun and fair to have travel powers and they are there for a reason.

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exactly. Why limit ourselves when it's not needed? Travel powers are just as valid as any other power in the game.


 

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Well got to say I totally disagree with you there. If you cant fight with out travel powers then your not as good as what you think you are.

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Look at Valens' post to see why this is not true at all.Take away travel powers and you take away a blaster's ability to stay at range or anyone else for that matter, opening it up for tanks and scrappers to lay waste to everything with no resistance.


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Right I see a lot of people saying that they rock at pvp. But I also see a lot of people that will only pvp to there rules. They need to have travel powers they will only fight at lv 50.

No travel powers dose not mean that scrappers and tanks will pwn. It just means having to think more about how you fight and what make up your team is. A scrapper cant close if they have been slowed and its the same for a tank as well. All it needs is a good tactical plan and if you take away travel powers people have to think more. Its the same if you have to exmp for a fight you have to think more about your build as well and not go for a crazy cookie cutter lv 50 pvp build.


 

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personally i think allowing to change 2 of ur 4man team every fight is just as stupid as no travel powers.

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For someone with a permanent team this may sounds silly.
This rule was made for those ppl who do not have the time to participate in every match and that it becomes easier to find a date where both teams are able to play with four players.

If you have the time, fine, but for those who may shift work or something similary, this rules gives them the opportunity to participate at least in a few matches and don't excludes them right from the beginning.


 

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Right I see a lot of people saying that they rock at pvp. But I also see a lot of people that will only pvp to there rules.

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Actually, at lv 50 we just expect to fight with NO RULES. So NO power restrictions, NO enhancement restrictions, NO Inspiration restrictions, NO Temp Power restrictions etc...

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No travel powers dose not mean that scrappers and tanks will pwn. It just means having to think more about how you fight and what make up your team is. A scrapper cant close if they have been slowed and its the same for a tank as well. All it needs is a good tactical plan and if you take away travel powers people have to think more. Its the same if you have to exmp for a fight you have to think more about your build as well and not go for a crazy cookie cutter lv 50 pvp build.

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Everything what you just described is just what makes Bantamweight interesting. At lv 50, I expect no limitations though. I don't see the point in fighting at lv 50 if we're gonna put limits on certain powers. That's the whole point of fighting at lv 50, to fight at your fullest potential.


 

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Right I see a lot of people saying that they rock at pvp.

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Might I just say one thing?

OH MY GOD WHERE?

Answer this before making another post please, enlighten me.

This post and all those within who disagree with some of the rules, are disagreeing because they will find it alot less fun. To be honest if I did enter a tournie like this, restricted or otherwise, the chances of me winning due to an abundance of excellent PvPers are extremely low, but I would still participate if I thought it would be fun.


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personally i think allowing to change 2 of ur 4man team every fight is just as stupid as no travel powers.

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For someone with a permanent team this may sounds silly.
This rule was made for those ppl who do not have the time to participate in every match and that it becomes easier to find a date where both teams are able to play with four players.

If you have the time, fine, but for those who may shift work or something similary, this rules gives them the opportunity to participate at least in a few matches and don't excludes them right from the beginning.

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i understand the whole sub thing and i think 1 sub is a good. on a 5 man team 2 subs might also work but imo in a 4 man team allowing 2 unnamed subs completely changes the team every week. im up for fighting and enjoy any pvp i just think it might not work so well


 

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Right I see a lot of people saying that they rock at pvp.

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Might I just say one thing?

OH MY GOD WHERE?

Answer this before making another post please, enlighten me.

This post and all those within who disagree with some of the rules, are disagreeing because they will find it alot less fun. To be honest if I did enter a tournie like this, restricted or otherwise, the chances of me winning due to an abundance of excellent PvPers are extremely low, but I would still participate if I thought it would be fun.

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Well you have obviously never had arena chat up or read these forums before. There is an over abundance of people saying they rock at PVP on these forums. For some of them it true for others they just think it and some people do it as a joke.

While I do have a PVP title I dont claim to be a PVP god but I prefer arena matches with out travel powers. Hope that clears it up for you.


 

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Any actual examples? . . .


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I could go find some for you but I shall not as this would only cause bad blood. I suggest you read the forums and you will find plenty of examples.


 

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I could go find some for you but I shall not as this would only cause bad blood. I suggest you read the forums and you will find plenty of examples.

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i've never seen any and the only forum i read is the pvp 1

edit: sorry i 4got psydock


 

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Its Just going to be Buddy Royale all over again, except at level 50 and without a controller duo.

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I'm going to take Acrobatics this time and use slow before anything else.

Edit: Btw I can drain endurance much faster at level 50.


 

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Nerf Strykes! Not Kin/Elec, just Strykes


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