Is PvP very one sided on Stalkers side
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Alvan,
Posted on: 2006-12-16 24:42 in Everything about PvP
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In fact, no AT can do that on his own vs. a proper stalker in the zones.
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Regen Scrappers can
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A regen scrapper stacking 4 holds? Errm don't think so
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Chilling embrace does not allow you to see a stalker, it's one of the armours which has +percep
Stealthed stalkers with grant invis won't be seen from a distance no matter how many yellows/+percep powrs u use. You can only see them in melee distance when at perception cap.
Group invis does NOT stack with other powers from the concealment pool. Only stalkers can have stacked invis powers.
Pets perception is worse than the player, at least that is for sure on a troller, can't speak about MMs.
I don't really agree with the tactic of 'survive the AS strike and stack 4 holds before he escapes', and it's not something that 'most ATs' can do anyway. In fact, no AT can do that on his own vs. a proper stalker in the zones.
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I said group invis stacks with super invis and if you are grant invised it does stack with that also
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And I said it doesn't, cos it doesn't 
. Group invis doesn't stack with superior invis, nor it does with grant invis from another player
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In fact, no AT can do that on his own vs. a proper stalker in the zones.
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Regen Scrappers can
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A regen scrapper stacking 4 holds? Errm don't think so
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Who said anything about holds ? i know i never quoted that.
Regen can survive AS but it takes some quick key pressing but its very possible.
Defiant's GoEH/MILITIS METUS
Errm you did, maybe you misread my message, or prolly gohan's previous one 
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Of course regen can survive AS. In fact all ATs can unless vs EM stalkers
Is PvP very one sided on Stalkers side?
No. its one sided on SPINES! I hate every single spine stalker and scrapper ever! Bastards!!!
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Is it just me or is Sirens all very one sided for Stalkers now. It seems to me he who moans loudest gets everyone else nerf'd. Even with Perception,Assault & Tactics to see a Stalker with Hide & Stealth on is very hard to do and if he has Grant invis on top of the other two as well, You may as well give up. You have more chance of meeting the Pope than you have of seeing the Stalker.
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Well I don't PvP much but was in SC last night on defiant with my claws/sr scrapper and to be perfectly honest stalkers need to be able to stack stealth powers. The zone was completely dead so a couple of the SG switched to their villains including a stalker who was built for PvE so only had hide.
With just the +perc from Focused Senses I could see him coming from half a mile away! In fact, being claws I could hit him with Focus before he even got into melee range, never mind getting an AS off. He used his freespec and took stealth and it suddenly became a whole lot more interesting 
. Even then, once he attacked and became visible it was still pretty easy to take him out.
After a while another EM/SR stalker turned up, and I think this guy PvP'ed a lot, because the fights were a lot tougher. He managed to kill me a few times, but I took him down a few times as well (CM and Fort really are a Stalker's worst nightmare 
), we both enjoyed it and even had a nice chat afterwards. My point is, if he hadn't been able to stack stealth powers then the fights wouldn't have been nearly as enjoyable for either of us. Stalkers are meant to do just that - stalk. What's the point of a stealth-based assassin if you can see him coming half a zone away?
Also, don't just rely on damage auras to protect against stalkers. Use your head, and the environment, to your advantage. In SC last night I stayed in the water nearly the entire time. Seeing ripples moving towards you with no apparent reason is one hell of a defense against getting AS'ed. Yes, a Stalker with Fly won't leave any ripples, but it's a lot harder to AS a moving opponent while flying so it's still a very useful tactic.
best thing to do, to not get killed by a stalker is to keep moveing. if u are teamed stay near your team mates, stalkers are like raptors an we pick of the weak/ones that stray from the pack. 
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Errm you did, maybe you misread my message, or prolly gohan's previous one .
Of course regen can survive AS. In fact all ATs can unless vs EM stalkers
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Sorry my mistake .. i ment Regen can survive an AS even EM.
Defiant's GoEH/MILITIS METUS
Yes regen can, not all the ATs tho
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What's the point of a stealth-based assassin if you can see him coming half a zone away?
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Some might say the same about a Stealth based hero. There are a couple of really good Stalkers that rarely use Hide.
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Yes regen can, not all the ATs tho
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Everybody survives the AS (due to anti-oneshot code). Difficulty is surviving the next hit.
I find it hilarious to be standing around and have a stalker MISS on his AS...
even though - yes you know it to be true - I'm more often than not a lone empath... yes.. attacking an empathy defender is very manly *rolls eyes*
Despite my personal dislike of stalkers I think i've been killed more by Archery defenders than anything else.. and spines scrappers... gah!
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even though - yes you know it to be true - I'm more often than not a lone empath... yes.. attacking an empathy defender is very manly *rolls eyes*
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Stalkers arent meant to be manly, thats why my stalker is a grrl
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Stalkers arent meant to be manly, thats why my stalker is a grrl
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A grrl? On teh intarweb? Surely not!
This is one topic that will always be contested. Stalkers hate CM being stacked and everyone else hates stalkers stacking invis etc.... as has already been said, you might get "pwned" by a stalekr in bb and sc, but you will get your revenge in wb and rv. Yes there are a lot of stalkers who stick to bb and sc to up their reps cos they have it pretty easy in those zones. but your never going to have to deal with those people in wb or rv becasue they are afraid to go there so theres really nothing to worry about.
AS far as combatting the hide/stealth/invis element of stalkers, there is only so much you can do. i learned my lesson very early on about trying to solo pvp zones with a squishy. Despite what soem people might tell you, those stalekrs aint goin for the tank or scrapper first, they are goin for the defenders and trollers. Kill two birds with one stone, bye bye buffs/holds and hello more rep points.
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What's the point of a stealth-based assassin if you can see him coming half a zone away?
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Some might say the same about a Stealth based hero. There are a couple of really good Stalkers that rarely use Hide.
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Except (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I'm only on my second coffee ), there aren't any Hero AT's based enitrely around the concept of stealth and striking from the shadows. I just find it bewildering when people complain about not being able to see Stalker's given that that's the core concept behind the AT. Whether Cryptic should have introduced this type of AT and PvP zones at the same time is another thing entirely .
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I find it hilarious to be standing around and have a stalker MISS on his AS...
even though - yes you know it to be true - I'm more often than not a lone empath... yes.. attacking an empathy defender is very manly *rolls eyes*
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Sorry but they're simply playing to the strenghts of their AT. Also, some people might say that a lone empath standing still in a PvP zone deserves to be AS'ed
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even though - yes you know it to be true - I'm more often than not a lone empath... yes.. attacking an empathy defender is very manly *rolls eyes*
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Stalkers arent meant to be manly, thats why my stalker is a grrl
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Likewise Oh, and story reasons >>
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Is it just me or is Sirens all very one sided for Stalkers now.
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Try rolling a stalker nowadays and see if you still think that
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Stalkers are meant to do just that - stalk. What's the point of a stealth-based assassin if you can see him coming half a zone away?
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Heh then in the case of trollers what's the point of a hold based hero if everybody can pop a breakie . If there wasn't a counter to everything pvp would suck
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even though - yes you know it to be true - I'm more often than not a lone empath... yes.. attacking an empathy defender is very manly *rolls eyes*
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Stalkers arent meant to be manly, thats why my stalker is a grrl
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Most of the best stalkers I've seen are played by girls
EDIT: this wasnt particularly aimed at you, DB
Yeah.. there are counters to stealth, just as there are counters to CM stacking. There are counters to regen scrappers and there are counters to trollers. THere is a counter to everything. Thats what creates the overall balance. If you think that stalkers own pvp, thats wrong.. There are always hardcore pvp players who could come to sirens with their heroes, cram the stalker into a pigskin and play ball. And they could do it the other way around too. You just have to accept that solo pvp does not really work except for fair few people. Try to find teams or ask for help in pvp zones from the pvp channels (arena or defiant pvpers global)
Its altogether different problem that villains have it hard in Sirens because there are usually more heroes there, and most of the villain powersets may not be as useful in sirens lvls than, say, regeneration.
I have to admit that I often end up playing my stalker in sirens from villain side because the other chars will get massacred too easily. I dont really like having to do that. (theres not enough good support or teamwork on villain side).
Stalkers are only good if heroes are alone. Sirens is about numbers usually if you have 3 heroes against 10 villains, wonder who will win.
Stalkers are only any good when hidden I do think the 100%(75% would be fair) critical strike from hidden is a bit much but other than that they have 1 attack the Assasin strike.
Once discovered scrappers make light work of stalkers. Some can even see through hide+stealth. As for grant invis that only works if they are over something like 12ft away. Any closer and you will see them.
The best thing to see stalkers is arctic air because it has -stealth abd the animation isnt always obvious.
Samaj, I'd advise you play against Blindfaith, Mellon Orasi or Meela. Really don't need hide to do well as a Stalker.
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Samaj, I'd advise you play against Blindfaith, Mellon Orasi or Meela. Really don't need hide to do well as a Stalker.
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Where can I find those players? I guess Union, damn that Im on defiant..
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In fact, no AT can do that on his own vs. a proper stalker in the zones.
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Regen Scrappers can
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Regen scrappers can stack 4 holds??
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Can survive the AS, I guess. Although I don't hold with that, since even my Brute can two-shot regens (with appropriate buffage) I'd be surprised if stalkers couldn't manage it.
It's all swings and roundabouts, really, at lower levels (BB, SC) stalkers are bound to be more powerful as fewer +per powers are bouncing about. In WB and RV, suddenly everyone and his wife has a +per power, and stalkers start to need strategy to wins. We were fooning about in RV recently, and a stalker came bouncing past with a disruptor that shot me... being Squishy, I don't like that sort of thing so the stalker got taken down rapidly. We had lots of focused accuracy, an Ice tank, Tactics and CM and really the stalker couldn't get close enough to AS. Yet, he managed to get a couple of kills anyway by separating the team.
Much as Stalkers need to adapt in WB and RV, everyone else needs to adapt in BB and SC. With the right preparation and attention there's little a stalker can do to you (unless you're solo and AFK, of course)
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