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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting 
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp 
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary 
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
I think the point is that an empath who is only buffing / healing and not attacking (time and endurance permitting) is not functioning at full effectiveness for the team.
Leeching is the wrong word. I cant think of one which describes an AT deliberately not performing at full capacity.
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
[/ QUOTE ]But you said so yourself, in the post I quoted
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I don't think it's a case of not attacking but knowing when to attack. On a good team or easy mish where a group is taken down in 20 seconds, your aura and an AoE is enough to get aggro at the start of the fight. No reason not to attack then as there is little danger. As the difficulty goes up the amount of attacking should go down as you focus on keeping the team safe. Against tough foes, I rarely attack at all as I watch for runners, keep bosses busy or keep an eye on nearby groups in case they get aggroed. I actually only have three damaging powers from my secondary and only use two most of the time - and thats for the knockup and hold they have, not the damage.
As people have said though, you can play your character any way you wish. Just nice to let team mates know that you prefer to scrank so they know what to expect.
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i got as far as this one not goin no further.
faultline i totally agree.
Thanks B. I sort of needed that.
I still object to this regardless of deleted posts, an empath who is doing his/her best would be leeching? I don't think so.
A good player will always know how to adapt to the situation to be as useful as they can be, whatever build they have. As I've said I don't do much damage - party because I prefer focusing on keeping the team safe and party because I don't like using GA so have a different build to most stone tanks. Someone mentioned the example of a tank and empath teaming and I used to duo with an empath called Doc Goodheart a while back.
I had no need to actively tank as mud pots gave me the aggro. He had no need to heal as I was in no danger. He'd give me fort, AB and RA and I'd do nothing but attack and with no need to heal he could attack as much as he liked as well. Not how either of us normally played but we changed with the situation.
Always good to see another Leicester player here Fault
I've only ever met one before and I can't remember who that was now either.
Not that I'm currently playing as my internet connection broke three weeks ago. Stoopid BT....
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
[/ QUOTE ]But you said so yourself, in the post I quoted
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I said an empath with lots of free time, not an empath not using blasts
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I've only ever met one before and I can't remember who that was now either.
Not that I'm currently playing as my internet connection broke three weeks ago. Stoopid BT....
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AFAIK, Noir and Duckdee are in the immediate area.
There sure is a lot of nitpicking going on here, but I seriously doubt this will help any of the points being made.
So, let´s stay with the empath example:
Our little empath has buffed everything buffable, all is going well (partially because of these buffs), all health bars are in the green. What should he do during the time until the first buffs need to be reapplied or someone gets hurt? What are his options? He could
a. Follow the group around, twiddling thumbs,
b. Stare at the health bars, and if one moves for even 2% health toss some healing immediately, even if that means overhealing quite a bit,
c. Reapply buffs immediately although they still have most of their duration left,
d. Get something to drink from the kitchen,
e. Blast a little if he has the endurance to spare
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f. Leave that team immediately since he is obviously leeching.
I know which option I would pick.
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
[/ QUOTE ]But you said so yourself, in the post I quoted
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I said an empath with lots of free time, not an empath not using blasts
[/ QUOTE ]And I said that if that empath was using his blasts, he wouldn't just be standing around doing nothing
Of all the concerns I could have about a tanker I'm teaming with, whether or not they are doing damage isn't even on the list. If they're taking the alpha, holding the aggro, and managing the groups well without attacking, fine, with attacking, also fine. It just doesn't concern me at all.
In my experience most characters work better when you have a good mix of primary and secondary powers, and use both, but at the same time when I invite a tanker, it's not really their secondary I'm interested in as a general rule. If they end up speeding the mission up because they do a reasonable amount of damage in addition to their primary, that's nice. I wouldn't be dissapointed if they didn't.
.. Ding! you're hypnotized by the above quote pyramid..
If the team needs some blasting get a blaster, an empath main function in team imo is healing/buffing. Empath's damage is smaller than any other AT, and I would really bi [censored] if I was playing a ddealer and died just to notice the empath was blasting away
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
[/ QUOTE ]But you said so yourself, in the post I quoted
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I said an empath with lots of free time, not an empath not using blasts
[/ QUOTE ]And I said that if that empath was using his blasts, he wouldn't just be standing around doing nothing
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Yet he wouldn't be adding much to the team
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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If empath has so much free time, it's not needed, he will just leech the rest of the team's xp
[/ QUOTE ]He will leech, if he's not using his secondary
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An empath focusing on healing/buffing would be leeching in your opinion? Well, I don't agree there
[/ QUOTE ]But you said so yourself, in the post I quoted
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I said an empath with lots of free time, not an empath not using blasts
[/ QUOTE ]And I said that if that empath was using his blasts, he wouldn't just be standing around doing nothing
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Yet he wouldn't be adding much to the team
[/ QUOTE ]He would mo0re than if he was just buffing.
I'm not saying he shouldn't buff, just that he should focus on blasts when the buffs are recharging.
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but at the same time when I invite a tanker, it's not really their secondary I'm interested in as a general rule.
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Of course, you might be quite interested if they have an Ice secondary which is noticibly different (more control / tougher tank but less damage).
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I wonder how many pyramid quotes it takes before a forum collapses into a singularity...
Lets not find out 
Is this thread still going on?
Concentrate on your Primary role first and fit in your Secondary role when you can or if its seriously more needed.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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If the team needs some blasting get a blaster, an empath main function in team imo is healing/buffing. Empath's damage is smaller than any other AT, and I would really bi [censored] if I was playing a ddealer and died just to notice the empath was blasting away
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So, you would say that the defender should leave the team and make room for a blaster? Of course, this blaster will have to leave the team occasionally if the team needs their buffs renewed or some heals... 
Or is your point that "no damage" is better than "a little bit of damage"?
If you read my example carefully you might notice that nobody was even close to dying as it is quite often the case if everybody does their job. If the defender is blasting happily while team members who he could have healed die, then he is omitting an important part of his job.
It is very much comparable to the tanker´s aggro management thingy. As long as enemies´ attention is on the tanker I am very thankful if he crushes some heads, fries some crispies etc. Equally, I am thankful if the defender starts shooting pointy sticks or malicious psionics at those same enemies when everything is buffed and healthy.
All I say is that it is nonsense to deny tankers and defenders their secondary. With the same right you could tell the scrapper to not use his armour toggles, because they are a waste of endurance as it is his job to dish out damage and not to take it.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Actually, if the tank is holding the aggro, and there arent many AoEs flying about, the scrapper CAN normally turn of armours (best to keep the mez one on I guess!). In a solid team with a solid tank, a scrappers armours ARE pretty useless (whereas every other AT will have fairly helpful secondaries).
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A tank focused on attacking seems to me as useful to a team as a blaster focused on healing. Sure it's a nice bonus, but not the way to take the best of the AT imo
[/ QUOTE ]Blasters don't have a secondary with 8 healing powers though.
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Ok, then as an empath focused on blasting
[/ QUOTE ]A good empath in a good team only needs to apply fort, AB and RA's when they're up, as well as few heals and CM's here and there, there's a lot free time there which can be used to focus on blasting
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That depends on the level of the mission as well. A con red mish will need more healing than a con blue.
[/ QUOTE ]A good team won't be doing a red conning mish
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Are you trying to imply that a good team should be doing a white conning mish or that they should be fighting +5s?
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