I do think, for Stone tanks, the way they would best work in PvP would be in Base Raids. Just stick 'em in a important room and let them taunt their hearts out. And if there's a Kin on the team....
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(i wanna see pink fluffy ear muffs temp power in pvp).
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I want to see those as a costume option 
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would be better as temp power so all teh uber l33t hardcore pvp self proclamed gods would have to run round with fluffy ear muffs on for minmaxing pvp play 
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fire/em is the only chance u have to kill a regen and this is if you time it right and the regen is bad.
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An ice/ss tank could beat a spines/regen if the spiny has high end useage by draining him fully with energy absorbtion then using knockout blow to hold him then knock him back
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He said bad regen. If the regen lets that happen, hes a bad regen. No tank can beat a regen. It doesnt matter if its Fire/nrg, Ice/SS or what it is. Also be said, Im not sure a scrapper can beat a tank.
We are talking about arena 1on1's with rated rules right?
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exactly, a tank cant kill a scrapper that knows what they're doing and a scrapper cant kill a tank that knows what they're doing....concerning PvP tanks fire/em 
Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.
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Back to the original topic, don't think you can go much wrong with fire/ice/invuln and EM, burst damage is insane, just what you need for picking off squishies 
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Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.
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firstly who duels at more than 10minutes? secondly i take that challenge and i guarantee no matter the time limit i will not lose to a scrapper as my tank, it will be a 0-0 draw unless they are very bad
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Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.
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Well I can say when I had access to Israfel, I took on several Fire Aura/? Tankers and beat everyone of them 1v1 in the arena.. so I know Fire Aura is out of that equation.
Ice.. mmm gave me problems... but I've beaten a couple I faced.
Stone.. meh... Rooted is a pain, and they're DMG RES/DEF is way too superior -- it would take ALOT.
Invul.. I've never actually faced one, head on.. but I know it's Toxic DMG res is decent.. but can be stacked on top to make it hard for them, then just keep on going at it -- between the Regen of the Spines/Regen and the DMG RES of an Invuln.. it'll take some doing I think.. but can be done.. if you don't get bored before then..
But, my money would be on the Tank outlasting the Spines/Regen..
My view based on? Simple. Having a level 50 Spines/Regen ... seeing decent Invul Tankers in action vs mobs.. having one myself on Defiant .. and taking into account the PowerSets.. with AND without maths.
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Well I can say when I had access to Israfel, I took on several Fire Aura/? Tankers and beat everyone of them 1v1 in the arena.. so I know Fire Aura is out of that equation.
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i guarantee u no scrapper wud kill my fire tank in a 1v1 duel
lol raz i believe the fire tank you beat had jump kick and flurry (the fight i watched), so not really PvP geared, a DECENT tank versus a DECENT scrapper should be a 0-0 draw.
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Try a good spines/regen versus a good invuln/anything and allow the match to go to maximum time limit (thats way beyond 10 minutes), then come back to me and say its impossible for a scrapper to beat a tank, i doubt anyone could and no i wouldnt know from experience its just maths:P.
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firstly who duels at more than 10minutes? secondly i take that challenge and i guarantee no matter the time limit i will not lose to a scrapper as my tank, it will be a 0-0 draw unless they are very bad
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x-treme is a invuln/ice/energy i believe which makes me pretty confident in what i am saying id just have to talk to the spines/regen that would most likely do it. What will hurt is your recharges btw. Although if you were to run away alot or have presence pool you should be okay i think.
A stonetank in granite would be impossible, icetanks lower dps and have hibernate and should be impossible, firetanks healing is of good recharge as well as often decent res to all and so would be hard to drop as well but an invuln is just not much but a heap of resistance and more prone to secondary effects.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me
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sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me
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its about beating a tank, and i think the invuln/ice is a beatable build by a scrapper.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Well I can say when I had access to Israfel, I took on several Fire Aura/? Tankers and beat everyone of them 1v1 in the arena.. so I know Fire Aura is out of that equation.
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i guarantee u no scrapper wud kill my fire tank in a 1v1 duel
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I will give you a go in a no travel power duel
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sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me
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its about beating a tank, and i think the invuln/ice is a beatable build by a scrapper.
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sure invul/ice it is, just post the time and place up here when u no, any evening after 6 or weekend
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Well I can say when I had access to Israfel, I took on several Fire Aura/? Tankers and beat everyone of them 1v1 in the arena.. so I know Fire Aura is out of that equation.
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i guarantee u no scrapper wud kill my fire tank in a 1v1 duel
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I will give you a go in a no travel power duel
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well now that may be a different story...
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sure name the time and place and i think i no my recharges will be slower. i'd even fight with my fire/energy tank. doesnt make any difference to me
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its about beating a tank, and i think the invuln/ice is a beatable build by a scrapper.
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sure invul/ice it is, just post the time and place up here when u no, any evening after 6 or weekend
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when the spines/regen i know comes on ill ask him so its a "when i see him" as for me i know i wont do it with my claws/sr. i'm not known for fotms.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
invul/ice isnt exactly what u'd call FotM either
No your right, ice patch... who'd want that?:P but from a damage dealers perspective i meant.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
slighty off topic, but how many mag 3 stuns/holds does it take to break a granites mez resis.
thought it was a worthwhile question and i didnt feel it required a new post
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granite+rooted cant be possibly detoggled by one simple troller afaik. Granite on it's own, 4 holds IIRC
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No your right, ice patch... who'd want that?:P but from a damage dealers perspective i meant.
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for pvp absolutely no1 
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lol raz i believe the fire tank you beat had jump kick and flurry (the fight i watched), so not really PvP geared, a DECENT tank versus a DECENT scrapper should be a 0-0 draw.
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LOL Globey.. there was more than one fire tanker ive faced when I cud access my spines/regen, that was jsut one case YOU was there at the same time ... and you don't have to be PvP Geared to make a good/decent fire/? tanker, spines/? scrapper..
If you know your Fire Tanker/Spines Scrapper then you know how to make him work efficiently, regardless of where he is PvP or PvE.
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granite+rooted cant be possibly detoggled by one simple troller afaik. Granite on it's own, 4 holds IIRC
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Not true, fire/ta has more holds than most
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Well I can say when I had access to Israfel, I took on several Fire Aura/? Tankers and beat everyone of them 1v1 in the arena.. so I know Fire Aura is out of that equation.
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i guarantee u no scrapper wud kill my fire tank in a 1v1 duel
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mmmmmmm.... considering I have a fire/ice tanker and what can kill him...
Lethal is very ouchy for a start to a Fire Tanker, as it's Aura is more efficient Vs Fire based attacks since the changes to it's powerset/ED.
Toxic DoT from Spines, and it's slow capacity on recharges, as well as it's Critical Hit, stacked DoT Toxic...
what...? You gonna pop 1001 Greens rely on Weave and Tough, and hope for the best?
Or a Katana Scrapper..
or even.. oo a Broadsword Scrapper..
oooooo.. a Dark scrapper.. maybe dark/dark..
ANYONE got a BS/Dark Scrapper lying about?
As for Invul.. sure Lethal RES is massive.. but Toxic aint.. and stacking hurts most things.
Point is.. the last Fire/SS tanker I faced, and NOT the one Globe was talking about ... did a lot of dmg even from Hurl, but between my own recharges and Regen, as well as Toxic/slow Stacking DMG, I simply outlasted him, and critical hit him, out.
Israfel wasn't PvP build.. the tanker was semi-PvP.
Rule 1 of PvP ... Do NOT underestimate your opponent..
I underestimated his Hurl and SS dmg vs me.. I soon changed that for other tactics.
I'm not PvP minded really, only have two (other than Israfel who I can't use now), on a game that wasn't even geared for it to start with... but I know my own toons and what they can/can't do and I know my own playstyles around those limitations...
It's usually those that think: "I cannot be beaten" :that end up getting a nasty surprise
I don't believe my toons are unbeatable.. as I've seen things lose to me.. and win over me.. and I've learnt from those experiences to try and gain a better understanding and playstyle (my stalker and scrapper specifically).. but...
No disrespect of anything, intended here..
If you think NO scrapper can beat you.. I wait eagerly for the scrapper to come along and wipe the smirk from you and I HOPE that scrapper isn't PvP built
With rooted on you can't do much in pvp, and without it... neither... so...