The only way I reckon a scrapper could possibly kill a fire tank is with tp foe/fear+caltrops. That given the tank didnt have tp or have bought the tp temp. And I mean possibly, I haven't tested yet so I don't know for sure
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Id have a hard time taking a firetank down with any scrapper and i mean proper hard so much so that with most firetanks i8 think itll be impossible. My claws/sr certainly couldnt do it, there isnt enough high burst damage between healing flames and the heals are of good recharge coupled with a firetanks resistance but i "hear" it has been done (not with claws) but for safeties sake from more backfire maybe them firetanks just havent been "good". My corrupter even though sonic/sonic would have no chance.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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what about it? have you beaten a firetank with it?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
nah, i aint silly enuf to stand attacking a tank when there are squishes to be killed 
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yeah i was talking about duels that time whereas my idea of a good pvp tank from before could only be rated as good to me in team matches otherwise they are just scranking in pvp.
Bridger will probably tell me off for the short posts, (not as short as yours though globey and not as blatant on the board bumping:P) so im gonna stop posting now.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
hell yeah it's been done i've killed loads of fire tanks, but theyre stupid and dont run.
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hell yeah it's been done i've killed loads of fire tanks, but theyre stupid and dont run.
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Kinda like some Brutes really vs my Kat/SR.. stupid.. stupid STUPID Brutes..
Don't they know they're nothing but a DEF buff to me. 
Back in the day, my Sg had a fun couple of hours in the arenas doing assorted one-on-ones. We found that: Decently built Inv/Em vs decently built Kat/Reg == fight to a stalemate. Victory came down to player error.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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nice
I've come a little late to this thread, mainly because I've been messing about with Scrappers and (dare I say it) Brutes of late.
I have just rolled an Ice/Axe tank. Ice because I have only had a lowbie one in the past and Axe because I figure I could probably have a coherent attack chain of;
BU - Cleave (extreme dam) - Swoop (Superior dam) - Beheader (Superior dam) - Pendulum (Superior dam) wash and repeat...
If need be I could fill in any holes with either Gash or Chop. What do you think?
I will not get as high a burst as EM and I know I will be more greatly resisted but across the entire attack chain I should be able to put up some really good numbers. Possibly enough to overcome a scrappers regen rate?
Comments and thoughts please.
for PvP? Dont!
You do lethal dmg, and everyone and their momma has a shield that removes about 30% of your dmg. Nrg doesnt have this problem to the same degree, and here we still neglect that nrg hits that much harder.
PvP is about burst dmg only, not chains. There are only very few exceptions, and I can safely say Axe isnt one of them.
A Paragon Defender
lol this thread
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what about it? have you beaten a firetank with it?
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I have Was at zones though..
Gawd, I was answering to a year-old post. /e faceslap
This thread made me laugh so hard with PvE "mechanics" wizzards thinking they know PvP which is a whole different world.
Thanks for the read guys. Now all go roll an Ice/EM Fire/* Invul/* and no scrapper can touch you..ever.
Aye, thought I'd bring it back to life, made me laugh so hard. PvE tanking is a science y'know.. taunt on auto and run in a mob.
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This thread made me laugh so hard with PvE "mechanics" wizzards thinking they know PvP which is a whole different world.
Thanks for the read guys. Now all go roll an Ice/EM Fire/* Invul/* and no scrapper can touch you..ever.
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A Tanker tanks in PVE and Scranks in PVP and I have been quietly levelling a Spines Regen an all. An Invuln would have to nowadays no longer be SO slotted or take aid self. The -recharge effects of spines can eventually take their toll on an Invuln. When it was said no scrapper should be able to beat a Tanker I said:
Well depends on build vs build given enough time..
..and didn't envision Tankers running away a lot for their survival to count as good PVP. If your running away, your being beat.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, jesus christ my ribs.. ache
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, jesus christ my ribs.. ache
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If your running away your being beat.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, jesus christ my ribs.. ache
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If your running away your being beat.
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ROFL, I'm so glad I rez'd this thread.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, jesus christ my ribs.. ache
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If you weren't running away against a scrapper its because you still had a chance of winning ain't it.
Its all build versus build though, a basic invuln build basically slotted 3 of this and 3 of that could eventually pop their clogs to a spines regen. Not that PVP tanks would have a basic build. I didn't see many outside of a taunt lock with another tanker tbh. No PVP Tanker designed for PVP shouldnt be beaten by any Scrapper in a duel and in a duel your not tanking, your scranking. No PVP Scranker should be beaten by a Scrapper in a duel 
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He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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No doesn't.In organised Arena fights tanks are tauntbots.They must lock down targetting of opponents spike. In organised zonal pvp same goes. In solo pvp every melee AT "scranks" but energy tanks perform usually better than most.
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That depends on build : arena or zonal solo or team. Solo PvP an Invul definitely needs Aid Self.
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Versus a really good invul pvp build there is no way you will kill him in an arena match with a spines just because of the -recharge.
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Ok sorry but whatever you think you know about pvp and tanks you dont know really. This game PvP is all about mobility and everyone needs to move especially in zones and 1vs1 matches. Standing toe to toe is dumb idea
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So if you come with your spines/regen in a pvp zone and i start spiking you and you move i can proclaim this as a +1 victory for me?
In history you know some of the greatest victories come from tactically retreating and then attacking."If you are running you are being beat" sounds awfully "dumb" to me especially since i play a bunch of PvP toons on a daily basis that need to be as much mobile as possible. There is a reason CJ+SS+SJ+Hurdle are a must in PvP zones for all AT's wanting to step in there and being efficient you know.
Also there is a difference between running away and being mobile while you are strategically avoiding melee contact awaiting for your DP or whatever.
Please spend more time in PvP zones.
Thanks.
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Its all build versus build though, a basic invuln build basically slotted 3 of this and 3 of that could eventually pop their clogs to a spines regen. Not that PVP tanks would have a basic build. I didn't see many outside of a taunt lock with another tanker tbh. No PVP Tanker designed for PVP should be beaten by any Scrapper in a duel and in a duel your not tanking, your scranking
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I am sorry this post doesnt say anything to me.A PvP tanker and a basic tanker secondary are pretty similar with 3 in this and 3 in that if we talking commmon IO builds ofc.So you are not making sense here.
You can come fight my Ice/em with your spines/regen and i wont even taunt you whats the point you are trying to make i dont understand that part of the post again.
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What you said earlier and from what i read is that a scrapper can beat a tanker in a duel?What are you trying to say in this post again i am confused 
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This whole scranking terminology belongs to PvE for mobs and not for PvP ok? A PvP tanker does a lot of things.I can go in a duel and tactically tank to my advantage so the whole scranking thing is wrong and doesnt belong withing PvP tactics and terms.
In those days people had SO builds mainly. Nowadays we are in a new issue. If I saw anyone in this issue picking on a Issue 3 Tanker build I'd think they were way too late. The times were the times.
In pentads much PVP done by Tanks consisted of one taunts and/or fears the other and the other taunts and/or fear thems back. That was a bygone era not worth bringing up.
I am levelling a Spines Regen, a pure Invuln on SOs will eventually take a fall against her unless they run away and if they are running away i'll put that down as "due to losing" even though I know tactical retreats are often common sense.
Typos do happen and I have edited.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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My interpretation of a good PVP tank would keep the opposing scrapper and controller perma-taunted whilst the rest of the team carry on with their work.
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indeed but u were talking about duels