Yep, count me in...Khorrighan, stone/stone tanker. 
Was on the taunt team in the last raid....happy to be in it again.
OMG a union raid thats not on a monday...finally some1 has cracked onto a gd idea! 
Seras - 50 ill/emp signing up
I may well join, I haven't decided.
One point of note. When we were doing the 'private' raid I was taunt team leader and Hami tank. We had 1 tank ( me ) , 4 empaths and a kin in charge of Hami aggro control for most of the raid. The taunt team officially had 3 tanks but only the main one was needed for Hami except when I died early on in the Mito phase. The other tanks were useful in the Mito clearing phase as aggro grabbers.
2-3 speed boosted empaths is enough to deal with Hami's attacks with Heal Other alone, however the chances are you will get some Mito aggro too, so having a spare empath or 2 is good.
I am absolutely certain though that the easiest way to get the taunt team into position is by inserting them with the Mito clearing turtle and then peeling them off when Hami is in range. Good communication ( teamspeak ideally ) is required between the hami aggro team and the PA droppers. This is how we sucessfully managed to do the last 2 raids.
The raid before we had more PAs and the AI for them was nicer so we didn't have as much Mito aggro. As a result we were able to do a suicide drop directly onto Hami and were kept alive by Transfusions from kins.
@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.
If you need someone to lead the blasters into battle, I'll be there with Tera Storm - been meaning to find an excuse to brush the dust off of him...
I will attend if I'm around that day. For what it's worth, I think it's great that you are doing this and I think there's a place for both public and private raids. Xanthus seems to manage public raids quite well on Defiant and given that the private raid didn't succeed either, it's hard to claim they're the definitive answer. I won't deny that a lag free Hamidon raid was enjoyable for a change, but I've also found the crazy 100+ people lagfests quite amusing. For a private raid, lack of controllers and specific powersets can easily become a problem. For a public one, it's lag and people not listening to instructions.
I am also a little saddened if people who have knowledge and experience of Hami raids won't turn up to public raids anymore. It's understandable but it does make us more cliquey as a community.
I would suggest that you also get someone to be the PR leader for the raid. Someone whose sole responsibility is to keep the general public aware of the progress of the raid. Raid leaders always seem to be too busy for it.
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I will attend if I'm around that day. For what it's worth, I think it's great that you are doing this and I think there's a place for both public and private raids. Xanthus seems to manage public raids quite well on Defiant and given that the private raid didn't succeed either, it's hard to claim they're the definitive answer. I won't deny that a lag free Hamidon raid was enjoyable for a change, but I've also found the crazy 100+ people lagfests quite amusing. For a private raid, lack of controllers and specific powersets can easily become a problem. For a public one, it's lag and people not listening to instructions.
I am also a little saddened if people who have knowledge and experience of Hami raids won't turn up to public raids anymore. It's understandable but it does make us more cliquey as a community.
I would suggest that you also get someone to be the PR leader for the raid. Someone whose sole responsibility is to keep the general public aware of the progress of the raid. Raid leaders always seem to be too busy for it.
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I think you have summed up the issues well Idris and agree with your points. I am hoping to have a holding team leader who can stay in Eden until the holding phase and keep everyone in Eden upto date with the progress. Also for them to be forming up holding teams all during the clearing process, to catch those late comers. Anyone up for the task?
Paragon Girl
i just read this on the us forums http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...Number=3708049
it looks a good idea in practise could help the said problems ?
Even though the "private" raid was a much more pleasant experience, I agree with Idris that there is probably scope for both types of raids. I would nonetheless discourage you from trying to fill up 17 teams (if I read the plan correctly) since lag is what causes the large raids to fail. Even though our attempt was not succesfull, my guess is that with 60 people, half of which controllers (we only had about 20), it would be more than enough.
Anyway, I'm not sure I can make it on the 24th, but will try. Also, having been the PA drop team leader during the above-mentioned raid, I would suggest to whoever is leading it this time that they practice with their team beforehand because the changes to PA mean that you have to place your drops more precisely (since the decoys won't follow you). We found that 6 illusion trollers (preferably all flyers) were enough, as long as you have 2 (flying) kins to SB you. Anyway, just some suggestions in case they might be of help.
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i just read this on the us forums http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...Number=3708049
it looks a good idea in practise could help the said problems ?
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If we get a good response we may end up with more people than we want in the Hive so it could be something we give a try. Firstly, to give another way in which people can help the raid, rather than be in the hive, and secondly to encourage those heros with holds to take part, who we may need later. Any1 want to volunteer to set up and mangae a tp train?
Paragon Girl
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Even though the "private" raid was a much more pleasant experience, I agree with Idris that there is probably scope for both types of raids. I would nonetheless discourage you from trying to fill up 17 teams (if I read the plan correctly) since lag is what causes the large raids to fail. Even though our attempt was not succesfull, my guess is that with 60 people, half of which controllers (we only had about 20), it would be more than enough.
Anyway, I'm not sure I can make it on the 24th, but will try. Also, having been the PA drop team leader during the above-mentioned raid, I would suggest to whoever is leading it this time that they practice with their team beforehand because the changes to PA mean that you have to place your drops more precisely (since the decoys won't follow you). We found that 6 illusion trollers (preferably all flyers) were enough, as long as you have 2 (flying) kins to SB you. Anyway, just some suggestions in case they might be of help.
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The plan is there should never be more than 80 people near hami at any time, apart from maybe "the come & give hami your 1 hit for HO" phase. The 80 includes the Pa members who will be some distance from hami.
Yes there are several team leader positions but those teams will not all be around hami at the same time. For example, the holding team leaders should be filling up their teams during the clearing phase & be in eden during this time.
Obviously there is to be some lag expected and certainly more than in your private raid. However, the US experience, where they regularly take down hami, is that lag has to be expected & planned for. As such Baldrick has a cunning plan to keep those holds on Hami in case he should disappear! (ok he swiped it from the yanks! (who plan for lag))
The plan will very closely follow tactics successfully used in the states to the point where I will be introducing some tactics they use which I have not seen used over here although I have taken part in successful raids on the Union server.
So in summary the plan is to minimise lag,
1, by keeping clearing team to a minumum and requesting every1 else says in Eden during the clearing phase.
2, only have taunt & holding teams in hive during holding phase.
3, if hami is held, he is attacked at distance with ranaged attack so minimising the numbers close up to him even during the final phase. The tactics have some flexibility depending on the numbers turning up, including being cancelled if we do not get sufficient numbers.
Regarding your suggestions about the PA. Yes, again swiped from the yanks, I was going to be using kin as required. They often use the tactic of the PA members who drop away from the centre of hami flying back into the centre for speed buffing knowing that their PA will still be in place as they do not follow.
About having experienced PA droppers, again agree. Which is why I am asking for support from the experienced Hami raid community. Certainly I know players who say they will leave the Union server for Defiant if need be to get hami raids (when server transfer is introduced), which would be a shame as there is the experience and skill to take down hami during a public raid on the Union server.
Paragon Girl
I'll give you a hand PG. I'll sign up to be empath coordinator or just a teamleader. Give me a shout of what you need. (MD lvl 50 emp/rad defender)
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Please all you ppl sign up who want to keep this part of endgame more community driven and not selective/private it wll be a shame
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Couldn't agree more here 
. There's never been restrictions in defiant (we have been 200+ heroes at a time) and we still do quite good. Lag is a pain, but not a complete impediment imo
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I'll give you a hand PG. I'll sign up to be empath coordinator or just a teamleader. Give me a shout of what you need. (MD lvl 50 emp/rad defender)
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Thanks alot StoneGiant. I will put you down as empath team leader. I realise some other people who have agreed to be team leaders I have not confirmed, but so far anybody who has offered to be a team leader can take it that they are 1. I will confirm positions in a later post as we get more positions filled.
Still looking for that holding leader plz.
Paragon Girl
Yeah cool I'd love to join if this is ok peeps:
lvl50 tanker, Fire/Fire
PG, thanks for getting this moving. First chance for me since my character dinged high enough...
I'm in no doubts.
Corpos, L50 Kat/Inv Scrapper
Co Leader of SG, Shadowe, L50 Eng/Eng Blaster is up for it too.
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I will attend if I'm around that day. For what it's worth, I think it's great that you are doing this and I think there's a place for both public and private raids. Xanthus seems to manage public raids quite well on Defiant and given that the private raid didn't succeed either, it's hard to claim they're the definitive answer. I won't deny that a lag free Hamidon raid was enjoyable for a change, but I've also found the crazy 100+ people lagfests quite amusing. For a private raid, lack of controllers and specific powersets can easily become a problem. For a public one, it's lag and people not listening to instructions.
I am also a little saddened if people who have knowledge and experience of Hami raids won't turn up to public raids anymore. It's understandable but it does make us more cliquey as a community.
I would suggest that you also get someone to be the PR leader for the raid. Someone whose sole responsibility is to keep the general public aware of the progress of the raid. Raid leaders always seem to be too busy for it.
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I think you have summed up the issues well Idris and agree with your points. I am hoping to have a holding team leader who can stay in Eden until the holding phase and keep everyone in Eden upto date with the progress. Also for them to be forming up holding teams all during the clearing process, to catch those late comers. Anyone up for the task?
Paragon Girl
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I won't ever turn up to a public raid again. Not because of the public spirited well meaning people that want to organise it, but the inevitable accumulation of chimps that turn up. I don't pay my subs to spend my time getting that aggravation tbh.
The Auto Healers in Eden who go afk for 10 minutes.
The Comis Geniuses whose puerile wit needs to be broadcast to all and sundry throughout the raid.
The same "I dunt av a costume wivout a cape and an aura - I dint no we needed 1" excuse repeated 30 times.
The training of monsters onto the platform "for sumthin 2 do"
The "I'm going to go down and just have a look" attack ploy.
No thanks. Never again.
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The same "I dunt av a costume wivout a cape and an aura - I dint no we needed 1" excuse repeated 30 times.
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The best one was me saying "you're meant to have a costume without an aura and cape." They said "Why?" I said "Because it causes lag." They said "no lag yet".
*GROAN*
I'll be there with Ar'cane
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I won't ever turn up to a public raid again. Not because of the public spirited well meaning people that want to organise it, but the inevitable accumulation of chimps that turn up. I don't pay my subs to spend my time getting that aggravation tbh.
The Auto Healers in Eden who go afk for 10 minutes.
The Comis Geniuses whose puerile wit needs to be broadcast to all and sundry throughout the raid.
The same "I dunt av a costume wivout a cape and an aura - I dint no we needed 1" excuse repeated 30 times.
The training of monsters onto the platform "for sumthin 2 do"
The "I'm going to go down and just have a look" attack ploy.
No thanks. Never again.
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Do you have any toons by the names Pessimist or Victor Meldrew? You're bound to get the above morons, uninitiated etc, so accept it and chill out.
On a side note, looking forward to it!
REMEMBER to lessen lag, no capes no auras! And ask ahead for squad/AT colors should they be needed!
"Like War_Hero said, leave it as it is, it toughens up the softies." - Naz Nomad
Union Heroes
War Borg - Leader of The Paragon Knights
Union Villains
McCabe - Co-leader of The Rogue Knights
Defiant - Supreme Hero
Personally, I'm going to wait for the chance of Xanthus running a raid once his controller reaches the right level. I can deal with lag/spam-heal/general morons, but from what I can read of the plan, having everyone leave the zone once they have a hit on Hami does not seem like a good plan.
Just my opinion, feel free to prove me wrong on the day, I just have more personal confidence in a different method of doing things.
The 1 hit on Hami works in the States, and if you read the recent patch notes they have stopped the problem in which people "fell" of the list of people who had hit hami.
On a positive note to confirm that Gilga has kindly agreed to lead the taunt team. Thank you Gilga.
Paragon Girl
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Do you have any toons by the names Pessimist or Victor Meldrew?
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In reply to a PM received, I'd like to make an apology for my post that was misunderstood. It was NOT aimed at any toon by the named examples given, they were merely picked at random to illustrate my point against the negative poster to which I replied.
Back on topic, thanks for putting forward the Hami raid on a Sunday! It means I stand a strong chance being there for this one!
"Like War_Hero said, leave it as it is, it toughens up the softies." - Naz Nomad
Union Heroes
War Borg - Leader of The Paragon Knights
Union Villains
McCabe - Co-leader of The Rogue Knights
Defiant - Supreme Hero
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The 1 hit on Hami works in the States, and if you read the recent patch notes they have stopped the problem in which people "fell" of the list of people who had hit hami.
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Yeah, but you have to be inside the zone.
I'm in.
I'll bring War Borg, my blaster.
I'd offer to lead but am something of a Hami-virgin so have no idea of what is required when.
Either way, I'm there.
"Like War_Hero said, leave it as it is, it toughens up the softies." - Naz Nomad
Union Heroes
War Borg - Leader of The Paragon Knights
Union Villains
McCabe - Co-leader of The Rogue Knights
Defiant - Supreme Hero