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oh, how fun it is to be a scrapper with a hold!
im a claws/regen/dark scraster, with a hold as i said, and the dark blast, and recently got torrent - not slotted yet -weep-
So recently ive been tripping to RV, to pillbox and kill the odd hero. so i see an MM and a corrupter, the MM has control of a heavy and a pillbox, adding upto 11 pets, he ganks me easily,but ooh no! i return. but the corrupter has retreated, so i sneak up. hold, focus, shockwave, dead. you wouldve THOUGHT she wouldve had hold.. IMO all people who even plan to go pvping should have some kind of mez protection.. its a kill waiting to happen :P
do any of you PVPers not have mez protection? reasons?
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If it was in RV, they may have been farmers, not PvPers [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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that isnt the point [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Well, I was just pointing out that you shouldn't assume that one player's build in a PvP zone was designed for PvP [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
@Golden Girl
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ahh right - too late for me to think like that :P
thats true.
I do casually PvP, and don't have acro. If I ever make a full-PvP build, I might put it in, but only if there's nothing more useful to pick.
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I do casually PvP, and don't have acro. If I ever make a full-PvP build, I might put it in, but only if there's nothing more useful to pick.
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In that case I challenge you.. team or duel, your choice [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Just for the fun of it [img]/uk/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (heh heh)
I feel I pretty much NEED acrobatics just to compete using a dominator. Its not as great as you have been led to believe though, and my dominator is often out controlled by "melee" AT's which is a very tough one to swallow.
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I feel I pretty much NEED acrobatics just to compete using a dominator. Its not as great as you have been led to believe though, and my dominator is often out controlled by "melee" AT's which is a very tough one to swallow.
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Its a lot easier for a tank to hold a dominator than the other way around.. Dominators need some serious love.
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I feel I pretty much NEED acrobatics just to compete using a dominator. Its not as great as you have been led to believe though, and my dominator is often out controlled by "melee" AT's which is a very tough one to swallow.
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Its a lot easier for a tank to hold a dominator than the other way around.. Dominators need some serious love.
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I have more trouble with scrappers than tanks, probably because they can 2 or 3 shot me and often have a range attack too.
I think doms are about right in pve, its only in pvp that I have difficulty. Recently I'm building domination as much for the new mezz protection as the extra hold time and damage. Maybe in pvp domination should rise x per tick you are held/stunned/etc.
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I feel I pretty much NEED acrobatics just to compete using a dominator. Its not as great as you have been led to believe though, and my dominator is often out controlled by "melee" AT's which is a very tough one to swallow.
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Its a lot easier for a tank to hold a dominator [snip]
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...or a blaster, defender, or a controller, or (most) corruptor, or (most) masterminds; in fact with the change to domination, the mez protection for Dominators is now pretty good. I've never relied on Acrobatics for hold resist, but its very useful for defence against knockback
I use acrobatics for KB protection. I use break frees for mes protection.
Do you need acrobatics? For casual PvP, no you don't what you do need is break frees. For more hardcore and arena PvP as a squishy acrobatics is a must.
Gratz on taking down a corrupter and an mm.
Acrobatics is mainly for the knockback/down protection. However, the hold protection isn't useless if you have another low hold mag protection power. Added together, they can save you using a bf in the arena. Which is nice.
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I dont use acrobatics that much, I only use it on my ninjisu stalker to avoid been knocked back when trying to escape.
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...or a blaster, defender, or a controller, or (most) corruptor, or (most) masterminds; in fact with the change to domination, the mez protection for Dominators is now pretty good.
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I apologize for the offtopic, but the problem is that
a.) you have to build domination up - see part c.
b.) you need to have it running
c.) then comes a scrapper and 3-shots you, bye bye domination, see part a.
I was in sirens once with my lvl 24 dom. I exited mission with full dom bar, but it lowered like 2% by the time I saw a scrapper. By the time I had fired 2 attacks to get dom up, activated domination, tried to stack 2 holds (one of em telekinesis) and before the second hold had fired I was dead. Way cool - not.
Its better imo to implement my suggestion and let domination bar progress persist thru death. Its not even wrong conceptually since nobody actually dies in this game.. Its not overpowered since it resets itself after you use it. This is merely a way to ensure that you CAN use domination every once in a while in PvP.
Ontopic: my ninjitsu stalker isnt planning on acrobatics, because she has defense to protect from most KB attacks. If im a victim of some autohit KB power i pop breakfrees. Of course, this is my choice, im not saying acro is bad on a nin stalker. Acrobatics is essential for my blaster for KB protection.
What defence does your ninja stalker have? Afaik there isnt any KB protection in the nin set.
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What defence does your ninja stalker have? Afaik there isnt any KB protection in the nin set.
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If you are not hit by the attack that causes knockback, then you are not knocked back. Duh.
edit: granted the stalker doesnt have quite high enough defense to feel comfortable, but reducing the opportunities when I can be attacked and using insps.. well. Let us say that im not a scrapping stalker.
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...or a blaster, defender, or a controller, or (most) corruptor, or (most) masterminds; in fact with the change to domination, the mez protection for Dominators is now pretty good.
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I apologize for the offtopic, but the problem is that
a.) you have to build domination up - see part c.
b.) you need to have it running
c.) then comes a scrapper and 3-shots you, bye bye domination, see part a.
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This is not correct, you can use Domination like a BF to break a mez condition if you choose. The mez protection is pretty good compared to other squishies since very few have mez protection (exceptions being some corrs and some MMs), it's also available at any level, not just as a high level Ancillary power, which it is as least as good as.
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I was in sirens once with my lvl 24 dom. I exited mission with full dom bar, but it lowered like 2% by the time I saw a scrapper. By the time I had fired 2 attacks to get dom up, activated domination, tried to stack 2 holds (one of em telekinesis) and before the second hold had fired I was dead. Way cool - not.
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I'm fully aware of the difficulties of fighting scrappers. Given the fact that it's possible for almost any scrapper to kill almost any squishy with a single attack chain I can't see how this is unique to doms.
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Its better imo to implement my suggestion and let domination bar progress persist thru death. Its not even wrong conceptually since nobody actually dies in this game.. Its not overpowered since it resets itself after you use it. This is merely a way to ensure that you CAN use domination every once in a while in PvP.
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Never going to happen. It's actually pretty unbalanced since fighting a dom for a short time and then defeating it leaves you open to a domination attack if it then gets a rez and fires off a few more attacks, in which case leaving mezzing/detention fielding a dom is preferable to defeating one; it would also raise other issues like Fury for Brutes, and pets for MMs for example.
Acrobatics should only be taking as a Knockback protection! Its not worth taking for Mez protection......
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This is not correct, you can use Domination like a BF to break a mez condition if you choose. The mez protection is pretty good compared to other squishies since very few have mez protection (exceptions being some corrs and some MMs), it's also available at any level, not just as a high level Ancillary power, which it is as least as good as.
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the change isnt live yet afaik..
Sorry, I wasnt on the same wavelength. I was thinking about having domination running to actually make something happen in PvP, ie. kill somebody. Or even hold somebody. Having mez resistance is pretty inconsequential since it does little to improve their survivability, which is next to none. As a blaster/scrapper/stalker/whatever I woudlnt even bother mezzing a dom, I would just kill them straight.
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I'm fully aware of the difficulties of fighting scrappers. Given the fact that it's possible for almost any scrapper to kill almost any squishy with a single attack chain I can't see how this is unique to doms.
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Once again sorry for being unclear.. I was thinking along the lines of overall strength, and doms are bottom of the barrel in my list atm.
Im waiting to see the dom to make me change my mind.
Dont think ive yet seen a dom even kill somebody with or without domination.
Edit : and sorry for continued offtopic.
Apart from reminding that the new changed domination protects from knockback..
The new mezz changes are live. Not sure how long this has been the case though.
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I'm sure you will take great offence to this but it sounds like you don't have much knowledge of Dominators, which isn't necessarily your fault since they have been fairly scarce. The most recent change to domination is live by the way, with the last patch.
I've been playing one for months in the zones and on the whole they are a successful AT to play. With the previous change to domination buildup in PvP and PvE I've seen more of them around, so I'm not the only one playing one. I'm honestly getting a bit bored of the "doms suck" routine and it's not my job to educate people about them.
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If you are not hit by the attack that causes knockback, then you are not knocked back. Duh.
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It's good for later levels, if you make a As, you wanna be able to get out ASAP to avoid been creamed by his friends, it can be done easily with a KB resistant, alot of blasters 'energy etc' can knock u flying, alot of people under estimate acrobatics [img]/uk/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I think filth, on bilharzia is one of the few dominators that i've properly fought against. And i was quite impressed to see how fast he managed to build up domination, so much so my main tactics for dom's is to take them down asap, if you hang around to much against them and domination is built, theres a good chance your going down.
Speaking as a Broadsword scrapper I say that acrobatics isnt worth it and all squishies should respec it out ASAP [img]/uk/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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oh, how fun it is to be a scrapper with a hold!
im a claws/regen/dark scraster, with a hold as i said, and the dark blast, and recently got torrent - not slotted yet -weep-
So recently ive been tripping to RV, to pillbox and kill the odd hero. so i see an MM and a corrupter, the MM has control of a heavy and a pillbox, adding upto 11 pets, he ganks me easily,but ooh no! i return. but the corrupter has retreated, so i sneak up. hold, focus, shockwave, dead. you wouldve THOUGHT she wouldve had hold.. IMO all people who even plan to go pvping should have some kind of mez protection.. its a kill waiting to happen :P
do any of you PVPers not have mez protection? reasons?