Since I6, Ice has been the best defensive primary apart for granite stone, and got better with I7. It's also best aggro grabber, and doesn't have many of the weaknesses of other sets. Ice primary seems to be the FotM for tanks atm. So yes, it's a very solid primary, although the fact tat it's defencew based adds certain risk against higly powerful foes.
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I haven't played ARMS for a while and have an out of date hero planner and can't get the other one cos I can't put .net on at work ... but can anyone tell me if this is a viable build? i know it won't be able to dish out much (any) damage
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Archetype: Tanker
Primary Powers - Ranged : Ice Armor
Secondary Powers - Support : Ice Melee
01 : Frozen Fists acc(01) acc(9) dam(11) dam(11) recred(37)
01 : Frozen Armor defbuf(01) defbuf(3) defbuf(3) endred(5) endred(40)
02 : Hoarfrost recred(02) recred(7) hel(7) recred(13) hel(15) hel(34)
04 : Chilling Embrace endred(04) tntdur(5) endred(50)
06 : Wet Ice endred(06)
08 : Air Superiority acc(08) acc(9) dam(27) dam(34) dam(46)
10 : Taunt recred(10) recred(13)
12 : Hurdle jmp(12)
14 : Fly fltspd(14) fltspd(15) endred(37)
16 : Health hel(16) hel(17) hel(17)
18 : Glacial Armor defbuf(18) defbuf(19) defbuf(19) endred(23)
20 : Stamina endrec(20) endrec(21) endrec(21)
22 : Ice Patch recred(22) recred(23)
24 : Hasten recred(24) recred(25) recred(25)
26 : Boxing acc(26) acc(27) dam(34) dam(43)
28 : Energy Absorption recred(28) recred(29) defbuf(29) recred(31) defbuf(31) enddrn(31)
30 : Tough endred(30) damres(36) damres(36) damres(36)
32 : Weave defbuf(32) defbuf(33) defbuf(33) endred(33)
35 : Hibernate recred(35) recred(37)
38 : Freezing Touch acc(38) acc(39) hlddur(39) hlddur(39) recred(40) recred(40)
41 : Block of Ice acc(41) acc(42) hlddur(42) hlddur(42) recred(43) recred(43)
44 : Chilblain acc(44) acc(45) dam(45) dam(45) dam(46) recred(46)
47 : Frost acc(47) acc(48) dam(48) dam(48) dam(50) recred(50)
49 : Build Up recred(49)
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01 : Brawl enhancement(01)
01 : Sprint enhancement(01)
02 : Rest enhancement(02)
whatcha think?
I can recomend Spad's guide, it put me on the right track.
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Started an Ice / Mace in I6 - still playing it. End issues are a pain, but the strengths are there. More fun than the stoners and a bit quicker in teams too (unless it's kin, true 
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Team up with Fire tankers and you get the best of both worlds!
Maybe it's just me being cocky but I never got why any tank would team with another...It just leads to chaos and/or feelings of inadequacy. I would rather solo tank any day as it allows me to do what I want when I want.
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Maybe it's just me being cocky but I never got why any tank would team with another...It just leads to chaos and/or feelings of inadequacy. I would rather solo tank any day as it allows me to do what I want when I want.
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I can understand what you're saying, but I feel quite the opposite. If I'm playing another AT, I feel a lot more comfortable with anymore than 1 heavy melee taking the brunt of the damage, and the presence of a couple of tankers lets everyone concentrate on their team roles comfortably.
Teaming with other tanks so far, Invul and Stone sets get around quite a bit, but I like sharing the aggro with them and if one tank is resting, the other is more or less likely raring to go 
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Maybe it's just me being cocky but I never got why any tank would team with another...It just leads to chaos and/or feelings of inadequacy. I would rather solo tank any day as it allows me to do what I want when I want.
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I can understand what you're saying, but I feel quite the opposite. If I'm playing another AT, I feel a lot more comfortable with anymore than 1 heavy melee taking the brunt of the damage, and the presence of a couple of tankers lets everyone concentrate on their team roles comfortably.
Teaming with other tanks so far, Invul and Stone sets get around quite a bit, but I like sharing the aggro with them and if one tank is resting, the other is more or less likely raring to go
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though when playin an ice tank that likes to bunch up ppl it can get rather annoying, cause as said before, ice is THE aggro magnet (fire comin a close second, but CE simply put is the best aura cause of the debuffs )
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ice is vry good now due to issues 7's defense scaling, before ice used to be a joke but now its rocks pvp and pve
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ice is vry good now due to issues 7's defense scaling, before ice used to be a joke but now its rocks pvp and pve
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Ice tank primary has never been a joke, ice secondary isnt exactly the strongest set but the same can still be said of it now.
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Out of my invul/ss, stone/stone, fire/fire and ice/ice i will say this even before i7 my ice/ice is simply my best tank ever but yeah thank ice patch for that, no wonder its the lowest damaging secondary set. 
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though when playin an ice tank that likes to bunch up ppl it can get rather annoying, cause as said before, ice is THE aggro magnet
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The trick is to toggle CE on and off depending on which tank is getting too much aggro.
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If you ever get hold of a radiation defender, Ice + Rad is a marvellous synergy.
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though when playin an ice tank that likes to bunch up ppl it can get rather annoying, cause as said before, ice is THE aggro magnet
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The trick is to toggle CE on and off depending on which tank is getting too much aggro.
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actually meant the other tank will be a nuisance to the ice tank bunchin up the foes 
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ice is vry good now due to issues 7's defense scaling, before ice used to be a joke but now its rocks pvp and pve
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PvE I can agree, after I5 it's been a bit of a joke if you never had Ice Patch to tank with because anything +3 or with high tohit buffs made you useless...
In PvP nothig really changed as said in the patch notes (altho I won't believe much of what's said in the patch notes )
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ice is vry good now due to issues 7's defense scaling, before ice used to be a joke but now its rocks pvp and pve
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PvE I can agree, after I5 it's been a bit of a joke if you never had Ice Patch to tank with because anything +3 or with high tohit buffs made you useless...
In PvP nothig really changed as said in the patch notes (altho I won't believe much of what's said in the patch notes )
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I understood Ice/Energy was FoTM PvP build at the moment. And judging from my ice/ice tank performance on the test server it took a minimum of 5 villians to down me, and i had teams of 8 villians give up. And im a rubbish PvP'er.
Hio folks. After two months of break, I decided to come back and create a ice/ tanker. I can't decide between warmace and energy for secondary. Any suggestions? Cheerios
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Hio folks. After two months of break, I decided to come back and create a ice/ tanker. I can't decide between warmace and energy for secondary. Any suggestions? Cheerios
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energy melee, war mace is so weak.
Concept over all unless you are a teh uber PvPer in which case Ice / Energy tanks seem to be FoTM
Curiously I took Ice/Energy for concept reasons.
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ice is vry good now due to issues 7's defense scaling, before ice used to be a joke but now its rocks pvp and pve
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PvE I can agree, after I5 it's been a bit of a joke if you never had Ice Patch to tank with because anything +3 or with high tohit buffs made you useless...
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The defence specific problems tanking +2s and higher in I6 mostly went away when I got Hibernate. I feel my Ice tank can match my Inv tank for ability to tank now. However to hit buffs are still my kryptonite.
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Curiously I took Ice/Energy for concept reasons.
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I guess they mean the I7 bandwagon jumpers...No one in I4 picked ice tanks if they were going for anything 'uber' .
Well... depends what they wanted to be uber at. Ice has always been king of aggro and battlefield control. He's not as tough, but teamed with an attentive Empath, even in I4 could turn tricks that'd make an Inv. Tanker cry.
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I never see many ice tankers around and cant really find any new guides for them..... i was just wondering if it's a solid primary? and if not has it got any better with I7 and the new def changes..? thnx