Character Problems...


Aisla

 

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O.K... a lot of you will be aware of the recent cuffufle experienced with one of my RP characters... Although I don't think it fair... people didn't like his character because he was called "Luthoriun Cantactuu, The Creator of Suns" had anyone gotten to know him they'd have found it was just a title.

Also a lot of people found that fact Luthor got shot in the head only to rise a second later saying that it was no big deal a big deal, the characters I was playing with at the time happened to know nothing would happen... Only I get abuse from about 5 people telling me that I should stop godmodding. At first I took this with a pinch of salt... but I am gettin sick of people tellin me how to play and what my characters should be like before even getting to know them. Luthor was an interesting character who I enjoyed playing but I killed him for the sake of keeping lines of diplomacy open, regardless of this I ask you to please get to know my character (In your character) before calling him Scitzo, a bull**** and stuff like that, it's called respect for your fellow RPer, something I have (Since i became a member of the GG club), found hard to come across from some of the people who have been there for longer then I have...

Now I expect you will object to this statement... perhaps even say "it's my problem" or "we have had this discussion before" but in truth no we havn't it ended up with me being silenced in GGOOC without the problem being resolved and with me apologising because I didn't mean to cause trouble... I get that you guys have a system, but I would like to be able to RP without having my neck bitten off or being told to move away when I am doing my thing.

As far as I am concerned Luthor is dead and I will return to being Rick, nice and boring with no memory of Luthor or whatever, but I just thought I'd bring my feelings to your attention, and if you don't like what I have said feel free to tell me here, or don't bother and talk to me online... just please have a bit of respect for me and I shall you, I have my friends in the RP community, if you do not wish to be one of them that is your perogative, just don't act on it or talk behind my back, as I heard from Ailsa, most of you are adults, act like it and talk to me.

Thanks

NZ


 

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One of the problems with last night that got to me, and I have been guilty of this before, is that there seemed to be no option for other characters to interact. One of my characters had to stand there and watch someone get shot in the head, and then watch as they shot innocent bystanders, and there wasn't a dime they could do about it. With situations like that, it makes people around the scene feel pointless as they can't do anything. Number Nine could have easily stopped Invisible Sniper from firing and teleported him to the Ziggurat. Having one of the 'victims', IE Nuclear Zealot/Luthor say "No, it's okay, don't arrest him' wouldn't have worked. She's a robot. He (Sniper) was guilty of Attempted Murder and several gun crimes, and having someone she doesn't no say "Don't arrest him." wouldn't have made a difference. But nothing like that could happen. I just had to stand and watch as innocents got shot, powerless to do anything. Things like that are better taken place away from public RP, so just those involved can participate and not interrupt and annoy others.

I don't need to know your character IC. The things happening were meaning that I, as a player had no input and had to do something contradictory to my characters beliefs so you could do your RP'ing that night, which is why I stuck you and the others involved on Ignore. If I can't see it happening, it doesn't bother me, simple as that.

Oh, you were silenced in GGOOC for a completely unrelated matter that happened a while ago, unless I managed to miss out a chunk of last night.


 

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Ah, seems to me this is public action being divorced from public reaction. IC action minus IC consequence...

So the character wasn't affected by being shot in the head, but it still remains that the character was shot in the head in front of lots of other people. Other people tend to react to people being shot in the head regardless of the fatality of aforementioned shot to the head. The world would be a much more sparsly populated place if we didn't. The fact that we are playing as heroes adds to the fact that we will react not by running away screaming but by confronting the would-be killer.

Reminds me somewhat of the Brute Farce era when the Uber-Evil Sword of Doom™ would corrupt any being of flesh and blood that touched it. So my robot, on hearing this and coming to the justifiable conclusion that the UESD™ was a danger to all and sundry, goes and picks it up because he was the only person in the vicinity that could be guaranteed not to be affected. I am then blasted by the person running the "plot" because I wasn't part of the plot. Despite all this taking place right next to Charlie Sparks and my robot being at GG's feet about what, 10 feet away?

GG is a public place, it's in a park. Although the RP takes place in little cliques that basically don't interact, you are not in a soundproof box with the curtains drawn. What you say and do will be noted by other people's characters, and they will react as the players see fit to do so. You can do your thing, but remember where you're doing it. If it's meant to be in some private place, go up a rooftop, go into an SG base just don't do it at GG.

As Z has pointed out, the removal of another player's ability to act is one of the many forms of Godmoding, i.e. you are dictating how another player has to react, much like they are no more than an NPC. Giving yourself power over another player's character is fine if there is consent and it can be deduced that such has been given, but other than that it is a very, very big NO.


 

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Gonna have to totally agree with Z and Wonka here, granted Luthor wouldn't be phased by getting shot in the head, but the other heroes in the area would have heard the gun shot, turned to see what was going on and seen someone being shot in the face. The natural response then would have been to arrest the gun man, (and in some cases slap him about a bit in the process)

Being told by the person who had just been shot not to arrest the shooter wouldn't be enough to change their minds any, (I know it wouldn't change Ves' he'd probably be trying to cut of the gun mans trigger fingers by the time you managed to stand)
Now I understand that everyone is free to play their character as they see fit, but that the player should also remember that the way they play should not have ANY form of damaging effect upon another character, either physically or behaviourly, without that players prior consent.

By telling people they should not react to you being shot in the head you are breaking that simple rule, which is why people get annoyed.

Just my opinion on the matter, based entirely upon what I read on GGOOC and from people that were there at the time, so give it what ever value you think fitting *shrugs*


 

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Also agreeing with Z, Wonka and Veskit here.

If you RP in a public place, then there is a simple rule. In Character Actions = In Character Consequences. Forcing actions on others, or ignoring their actions when they don't follow what you want, REALLY annoys them and starts arguments, flares up tempers, and generally ruins the night for everyone.

If you want to do things like that, move out of local range of other people.

I would like to say one thing about your "Luthor" character. You roleplayed him as a supreme being, even claiming he was the "architect" of our dimension. Now, most people find god type characters INCREDIBLY boring, as you cannot do anything to them. I made a mistake similar to this in my early GG days, and learned a VERY harsh lesson from it. He got chewed up and spat out publicly. Now, I didn't particularly like that, but it taught me a valuable lesson and I never took him back to the public area's again. His further appearances were away from the statue where he could only bother those involved in the plot. Although at the time I felt rather... annoyed... at what some people had said, I DID see their point. It made me a better roleplayer, and all of those people that jumped on me are now the best friends I have in the game.

As for the being silenced in the GGOOC channel, that was for a very specific reason but I will say that in future, if I see ANYONE arguing in the channel, they will be immediately silenced. Yes, even if they are a fellow moderator. I'm getting highly fed up with all of it. That channel is meant to be a place we can have pleasant OOC conversation without disrupting the flow of peoples RP, not an arena for slanging matches.


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Number Nine could have easily stopped Invisible Sniper from firing and teleported him to the Ziggurat.

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I agree with the no-god-moding, and when presenting situation in public place to let others react to things IC.

This particular case, I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. But that above comment caught my eye, isn't that also kind of god-moding, saying your character can easily stop someone and teleport him away (withour knowing his characters strenght)?

Pyranha


 

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Oh, something I forgot to add...

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if you do not wish to be one of them that is your perogative, just don't act on it or talk behind my back, as I heard from Ailsa, most of you are adults, act like it and talk to me.


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The thing is, we HAVE talked to you. Several of us have tried sending you tells and we've asked you to stop in in GGOOC. We've also asked you to quit spamming your powers all over the place and yet you continue to do so.

Now, use of powers is fine every once in a while, but try to remember that you are NOT the only person there. Some people have less capable machines and can suffer severe graphics lag from such power spamming. Others find certain sound effects annoying after a time and so forth.

You could use the argument that they should turn their sound off, or move away so they're not being bothered. But why should they? One needs to be considerate of everyone at the GG meets or you can very quickly find yourself disliked and branded as one of the many 'tools' which often appear at the statue.

So, we HAVE tried to talk to you in-game, and you've replied with comments which indicate to us that you have no desire to listen. So now you choose to bring it to the community forums so I will say it again. We have fairly lax, commonsense rules at GG. These are there to make the whole experience more enjoyable for everyone and they are:

1) Do not godmod. All in character actions can and will have in character consequences. Expect unexpected people to react to your RP in ways you cannot predict. If you want to do something that involves another character, most will be happy to oblige if you ask them first in a /tell.

2) Do not spam powers. This is seen as rude and has a negative effect on others game experience

3) Do not presume to know anything about a character just because information is in their bio. Even if you're character is telepathic. You have no idea WHAT defenses a characters mind may have. If you want to exhibit knowledge of a character IC, then send a tell asking what's public, and what can be sensed.

Blackdove: I think what Z means is that's it's an established ability of her Number 9 character to be able to teleport people, and she WOULD try to arrest what appears to be a villain and teleport them to jail. However, in-game, she would only have directed her powers at the person in question. She would NOT have dictated their response as she has no way of knowing if they can jam said powers.

How do I know this? Simple, Z is one of the best RPers at the statue (IMO), and would not force responses on others.


@FloatingFatMan

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Okay, I'm the outsider in this. I don't know what happened, I don't want to know. I can sit here and look at your post and tell you various things however.

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the characters I was playing with at the time happened to know nothing would happen

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If you did this at GG, then you were doing it with everyone at GG, not just the few people you thought you were doing it with. If you want a bunch of psychophants allowing you to run your plots however you want, logic-be-damned, then run it privately where you won't get interference from other people who actually want their characters to react naturally.

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but I am gettin sick of people tellin me how to play and what my characters should be like before even getting to know them.

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Then try not to pull off pointless, dramatic scenes as your opening gambit. From your version of this scene, it seems to me that you simply wanted to generate the impression that your character was capable of being killed and getting up from it, and therefore that he was very powerful. (That doesn't make him very powerful. Two of my characters could survive being shot in the head, and neither of them is a god.)

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it's called respect for your fellow RPer

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Perhaps, if you started listening to the other people at GG and having respect for them, you might get some in return. That means playing characters who are not gods, and not spamming powers.

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but I just thought I'd bring my feelings to your attention

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Always a good idea, if you are also willing to listen to the replies.


One or two comments regarding generic roleplaying of gods:

I was foolish enough to turn one of my characters into somekind of god. I stopped playing him for two good reasons: he was boring and he couldn't interact with anyone else. Superman is boring because there isn't anything he cannot do. If your character is anything like close, you'll enjoy him until you grow up. (Please note that that is not a reflection of your age. I know some older people who haven't grown up yet.)

CoH is a terrible game for characters getting too much power. Almost by their nature, CoH players have a tendency to create over-powered, Godlike characters. There are a very large number of them around GG.

God characters can be interesting if they don't do anything, but even then their presence means that any plot around them is highly liable to suddenly get derailed. This makes them really interesting only to the player playing them and people who never run plots of their own, or interact with anyone else's plots, or actually take an interest.

In short, God characters (who do NOT have to actually be gods) are a pain in the butt and should be avoided at all times.

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Being told by the person who had just been shot not to arrest the shooter wouldn't be enough to change their minds any

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The sniper should have been holding the dismantled bits of his rifle while holding in his intestines before Luthor hit the floor. You lot are getting slow.


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I agree with what people have said in it's entirity on the "yes you may be alive but you still got shot..." feeling.

Think about it in real life. Would you really just ignore someone who got shot in the street infront of you? SRSLY


 

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CoH is a terrible game for characters getting too much power. Almost by their nature, CoH players have a tendency to create over-powered, Godlike characters. There are a very large number of them around GG.

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Don't know what you mean guvnor *looks shifty and hides the indestructible girl behind a tree*


Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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CoH is a terrible game for characters getting too much power. Almost by their nature, CoH players have a tendency to create over-powered, Godlike characters. There are a very large number of them around GG.

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Don't know what you mean guvnor *looks shifty and hides the indestructible girl behind a tree*

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Sara is actually one of the least godlike characters I can think of at GG. She's just extremely tough. It's within the bounds of her power sets.

I was referring more to unstoppable powers which have been totally made up because we felt it fitted in with the character concept. Lot of that kind of thing about.

I really toned down Jason Caine compared to War Crow. Jason is literally immortal, cannot be killed. This works quite well in CoX where, let's face it, everyone is immortal due to the hospital teleport system. Beyond that, Jason is a relatively normal bloke that can work some magic and is good at hitting people. War Crow was a god, and even after his retrofit, he's still capable of breaking plots if the person running the plot doesn't know what he can do.


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In anycase Playing severely gimpy characters is fun... for instance.. animated cabbage, i will never praise enough the value of having an animated cabbage as a character.

I think the point here is if you've gone and written a plotline all the way through you should do it in your base away from harsh reality or eat the script and go with the flow. I value the nutritional diet of scripts found at GG


 

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Okay, so you have decided to take it out into the open on a public forum... fair enough, in that case, let me enlighten you. I know others have put in their two cents, but seeing as I got mentioned by name, I find it only fair that I tell you, again, but this time for all to see, what I think of your creation, and the fact that you paint it off so one-sided.

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O.K... a lot of you will be aware of the recent cuffufle experienced with one of my RP characters... Although I don't think it fair... people didn't like his character because he was called "Luthoriun Cantactuu, The Creator of Suns" had anyone gotten to know him they'd have found it was just a title.


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People didn't like your character, because he was rude, obnoxious, and 'decided' what was going to happen to other peoples characters as and how he came across their issues. That, mate, is called godmodding, deciding for other people what is going to happen to their character. It's the attitude, and what you as a player decide to portray of your character that makes people form an opinion, not a name.

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Also a lot of people found that fact Luthor got shot in the head only to rise a second later saying that it was no big deal a big deal, the characters I was playing with at the time happened to know nothing would happen... Only I get abuse from about 5 people telling me that I should stop godmodding. At first I took this with a pinch of salt... but I am gettin sick of people tellin me how to play and what my characters should be like before even getting to know them. Luthor was an interesting character who I enjoyed playing but I killed him for the sake of keeping lines of diplomacy open, regardless of this I ask you to please get to know my character (In your character) before calling him Scitzo, a bull**** and stuff like that, it's called respect for your fellow RPer, something I have (Since i became a member of the GG club), found hard to come across from some of the people who have been there for longer then I have...

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If so many people, independantly of eachother, tell you you are godmodding, does it not turn on a light in your head saying 'Hey, wait a minute, if so many people think it's wrong, perhaps there is something wrong here'?
Not only did you tell people off for getting involved, your character expects another hero not to arrest someone who just shot someone else in the head??

We've had this done before. Doctor Temporis got shot in the head a fair few months ago, before your arrival at GG, by a robot. The robot got dismantled, as I understood, and Doc was dead. Yes, he came back, but about a month later, and only because the GoD found out how to bring him back. He didn't just stand up and go ' Oh, nothing's the matter, I am here, all is well'.

As for respect... it's something that isn't easily given, it is earned. And you, have done nothing that I have seen so far, that earns you anything but disdain. From spamming your powers, to being rude as a player, to godmodding.

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Now I expect you will object to this statement... perhaps even say "it's my problem" or "we have had this discussion before" but in truth no we havn't it ended up with me being silenced in GGOOC without the problem being resolved and with me apologising because I didn't mean to cause trouble... I get that you guys have a system, but I would like to be able to RP without having my neck bitten off or being told to move away when I am doing my thing.


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Okay, this little guilt trip of yours needs to be sent back into the world of fables, so please, let me shed some light...
The discussion was being had, but you decided you had enough of it. I had said I would take my leave from GGOOC after my confrontation, and was finishing the discussion with Neko (with whom I now resolved it), as she was sticking up for you. You yourself, came out with the following statement whilst I was discussing it with Neko; So, uhm, Aisla, are you actually going to leave now or are you just trying to get sympathy?
-That- is what got you silenced, and to my knowledge, you never apologised for it.
You apologised two night ago, yes, but not because you wanted to, I got the impression you only did so because even your friends asked you to stop.

We do not have a system, we use common sense. I have pointed out on the GG thread as well, that, as Wonka also pointed out here, that we have had characters like yours around, Brute force being one of them. We just do not like godmodders, people whos characters can solve everything, are all powerful etc etc. Yes, the temptation may be there for some, but really, any true roleplayer will tell you, that power becomes very boring after a while. I have roleplayed for 10 years now, in larp, tabletop, online and in mmorpg's. I have had powers with some charcters, that could destroy someone with their little finger. You know what I ended up doing? I retired the character, of my own devise.

It's boring for those around you as well, because hey, why should they even try, if there's someone who will solve it all...?

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As far as I am concerned Luthor is dead and I will return to being Rick, nice and boring with no memory of Luthor or whatever, but I just thought I'd bring my feelings to your attention, and if you don't like what I have said feel free to tell me here, or don't bother and talk to me online... just please have a bit of respect for me and I shall you, I have my friends in the RP community, if you do not wish to be one of them that is your perogative, just don't act on it or talk behind my back, as I heard from Ailsa, most of you are adults, act like it and talk to me.

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We have, Zealot, on numerous occasions, ranging from nice when you just arrived, to harshly as I have done recently. I do not deny it, I have no reason to. I am not ashamed of defending something I care about, GG meets. I enjoy them, and so do those I call friends in this game. If I see that being ruined, I speak up. Maybe that's because I am Dutch, and in our culture it is taught to address matters as they come up, confront them with openness and honesty.

Thanks for pulling me into this, btw, great job of trying to betray me in front of my friends.


 

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Thanks for pulling me into this, btw, great job of trying to betray me in front of my friends.


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Hey Aisla.. no worries about what anyone tries to imply about you, your friends know you better.


 

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Hey Aisla.. no worries about what anyone tries to imply about you, your friends know you better.

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Indeed!

No one who knows you Aisla, would believe the insinuation for a second.


@FloatingFatMan

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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Hey Aisla.. no worries about what anyone tries to imply about you, your friends know you better.

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Indeed!

No one who knows you Aisla, would believe the insinuation for a second.

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Just for the clueless (or maybe the non-partisan), could someone tell me what he actually says that is an 'insinuation'?

This is what he says about Aisla: [ QUOTE ]
as I heard from Ailsa, most of you are adults, act like it and talk to me

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So, Aisla has told him that the majority of people at GG are adults. If that's an insult, I'd love to know what you lot are smoking. If he's implying something, he fails to do it. Aisla has defended the population of GG and NZ wants you to prove yourselves worthy of her praise.

I think you're all failing.


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Nah... I was referring back to what he'd said in GGOOC the other week, which Aisla kindly quoted above... Should have made that clear, sorry!

Either way, I hope this thread has served to show Zealot that so far, nobody else agree's with his position. And it's not a matter of people siding with their friends either; it's a matter of using common sense!


@FloatingFatMan

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Ok, I'm going to try and make a sensible response (oh god it hurts)

I must say I agree with what most people have said, had any of my characters seen a bloke getting shot in the face I would like to think they'd be able to do something about it. For killing, fighting and general agrresiveness, GG isn't the best place to RP it, with a large group of super powered crime fighting types around someone is very (VERY) likely to try and put a stop to it.

On the note of "God-like" characters, I too have been there to some degree, still do though I'm trying to tone that down (got some patches, gum, that kinda thing). More to the point of making powers for certain situations than having an actual god. Anyway, drifting off topic. If a character can solve any situation then yes, it's fairly pointless to have a situation in the first place.

So to some up my persoanl opinion: what they said.


 

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Oh there's nothing wrong with having fights etc at GG, as long as you're willing to accept the consequences of it, including the possible wounding or even death of your character!


@FloatingFatMan

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My advice Nuke? Don't reply here right away. Ignore the thread for a day, then come back re-read it all. Try to take what you can from it constructively, and then carry on roleplaying. Win people over, or learn who you are never going to get on with.

For me, eh. I'd say respect due for coming in here and opening up the topic in public in the first place. You've got to have been expecting heat. Make the most of your situation. I'm sure the folks here are willing to let bygones be bygones, if you prove their fears are unfounded.


 

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I cannot speak for others, but I certainly am. I've no wish to force the guy away from GG. I, along with the rest, would just like him to respect other players and quit with the godmodding, power spamming and general meta-gaming.


@FloatingFatMan

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

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(I can be an awful metagamer... )

Mister_cope.. I do believe that's the best advice i've ever heard in a constructive critism post ever.
5 stars for you... if we still had stars.


 

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just don't act on it or talk behind my back, as I heard from Ailsa, most of you are adults, act like it and talk to me.



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Just for the clueless (or maybe the non-partisan), could someone tell me what he actually says that is an 'insinuation'?


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I dunno - > the amount of puctuation honestly does mess with my head. I'm not good at commas, i like full stops. But I read that as;

Don't talk behind my back - Aisla has told me you do - Behave like adults and confront me.

I'm not sure though - the OP would have to clarify it, so no big deal as this was likely not the case and the vieled insult was during the GGOOC thing. Like I said -> heaps of commas (like in that paragraph) = confusing.

I was going to make that reply after raven's post but I got distracted by Particle sizes and solvents.


 

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This particular case, I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. But that above comment caught my eye, isn't that also kind of god-moding, saying your character can easily stop someone and teleport him away (withour knowing his characters strenght)?

[/ QUOTE ] I admit that could be the case, but that is refering to ability, not intent. See, she stated she was going to, and then I would have emoted something like "Number Nine begins trying to teleport <character> to the Ziggurat Prison." leaving it up to the other player to decide if they could. Same with the bullet. "Number Nine attempts to catch the bullet in an eternal second." effectively freezing it in mid air.

I should have caught that when I was first posting, but I think I was discussing tabletop gaming via webcam methods at the time in preperation.


 

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Ok... I have read... Thanks for the replies...

What I have to say about this is... yeah you are right... it was stupid to stand up after gettin shot in the head, infront of people... but it's not like I said "NZ stops the teleportation from occuring," when infact he was interacting with Number Nine...

It is also true that i was playing a god-like character... hey I aint the only person at GG who has by the sounds of things and I doubt I'll be the last... My objective was to create a character the opposite of Rick, rude, obnoxious and uncaring, that was my objective... I came to understand that that needed toning down so I did....

I admit it... I don't like Ailsa... all be it my problem it seems you guys have a high opinion of her... I did not veil an insult but was simply repeating what she said to m in a tell... I was also not adding ehr name into the thread through what she saw as immaturity, it was what was occuring to me while I was typing and there is no insult implied... I was infact saying that she said: and I quote "Numerous people have spoken to you, in GGOOC and behind your back to me..." I was infact asking you to act like adults and talk to me.
The comments made about talking to me already, it wasn't talking... it was the mods saying how stupid I was for saying they had a "complex" which wasn't even my wording... the other week an argument was caused BY A MOD- the afformentioned above- saying that Nyu and I should have paid attention to her character telling us to "Stop Shouting".And I have to say Ailsa, why bring yourself down to my level if you have such a problem with my mentioning you... or was revenge that sweet, I don't like you... I don't wish to RP with you... and that is simple as... and regardless of what your friends think I have had a very antagonising time from you. I could change my mind, you never treated me nicely, and for whatever reason I hope you get over whatever problem you have with me, seriously... since I can't speak to you because you have ignored my @ channel after insulting me a few times without giving me chance to reply, I mention this here... Thanks, oh and no guilt trip or whatever you may think I have hidden here intended.

Now I have looked at your comments I have taken them in... I Read some very interesting points and I agree with them... I have learnt from what you said... some of you more then others.

As for the rest I respect your opinions... I dont figure there is any reason to apologise for my actions in this case since I told you here that I have taken steps to avoid it again, if I bring Luthor back for whatever reason he will be the same as he was but without god-modding and without the spontaneous head shots (Which I didn't plan) he was a very complex character or so I had it planned and was not intended to annoy people just because he claimed to be one of many beings who formed a dimension.

I am a good RPer, I have done it for a long time and I know how it works, like I said grant respect it shall be given... my Alts such as Rick and Ollie H get on with everyone they have met so far, probably just this character.

Sorry for babbling, oh and btw get to know me for me rather then me for my character as it turns out when I have spoken to a lot of ya it has been about problems caused...

I have tried to make this sound as uhh, I dunno, mature as possible so if it sounds slightly stern sorry.

Anyway thanks for replies

NZ