You ask for a new chance, without granting one yourself? Bit hypocritical. And respect is not given first, then returned, it is earned and then returned.
I admit I put you on my ignore list, the reason being that the conversation needed to calm down before anything broken could be restored. I can however, take you off it, if you wish to discuss this further with me in private, without resorting to comments that in a very denegrating manner start with; Uhhh, well excuse me but...
You will probably find that on closer aquaintance, I am not as bad as you would have me appear, though perhaps you might not wish to. You seem to have made your opinion about me up, as, I will admit, I had about you to some extent.
However, being who I am, I hate fights and friction, and will always try and resolve something rather than walk away from it.
Seeing as we both go to GG, I prefer not having my evening ruined by seeing someone I do not get on with, as I am sure others would agree with me on.
Last but certainly not least, apologies accepted on the fact that I called you on getting me involved personally. It did however strike me as Quilla explained it, which I admit may be due to our previous conversations, where you yourself on many occasion insulted me yourself, might I add. So don't be the pot and call the kettle black. I only bite when provoked, and you did quite a bit of that.
There you have it, my view point. I shall unblock you and we can further this conversation in private, to the benefit of Bridger and the forumites.
/em coughs quietly
Right, I've read the posts 
Interesting point about NZs plot is I did, on one particular occasion, attempt to tone it down a wee bit by announcing (in private) that Whirling Dervish was another architect. However it all went a bit Pete Tong when I had to go and do RL things for a bit (boo!)
I would like to extend my hand to NZ and say : A nice bit of tangent plotline development could mean he remains quite powerful BUT still 'humane'.
Don't forget, even gods have a weakness
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Well, IIRC, you claimed he had created OUR dimension. Now, when my Miss Ellie first met Luthor, he was loud, rude and obnoxious, and then started claiming to be some kind of all powerfull creator of everything. Well, at that point Ellie immediately began to take the mickey out of him, which he got infuriated over and started making all sorts of threats. Would have been interesting to see him try to carry them out and have Ellie ignore it...
Now, Ellie has seen plenty of people make similar claims, and she wasn't impressed. At this time you started sending me tells telling me he was an established character and to please stop ridiculing him. Thing is, Ellie was treating him as a nut simply because that's how he came across, a nut. So even then, you were trying to get me to go along with him, even though I'd never heard of this Luthor character before, and the Zealot character had only been around a few weeks to my knowledge; hardly well established. I did explain some of this when I invited you to team for a short while.
Besides, in trying to get me to have Ellie believe everything he said, you were trying to godmode me and my character, and Ellie IS well established; she's been at GG since June last year.
Eventually, after stomping off, he came back and apologised, and stopped being an obnoxious jerk. And what did Ellie do? She started to speak to him decently, instead of condescendingly. Amazing what not being an [censored] can do really.
Now, if you'd wanted me to act all scared of him etc, what you could have done instead is first sent me a tell explaining some of what he was, and asking me if I wouldn't mind going along with it. There's a good chance I'd have either said yes, or declined but agreed to keep out his way so as not to mess you up.
As for your problems with Aisla. She's actually a lovely person (I've met her in RL and will be meeting up again at the weekend, along with her partner and loads of others!). Now she can sometimes be a little touchy on some things, but honestly, you HAD been asked several times both IC and OOC not to continually spam powers etc. Ignoring her Saraya character when she very politely asked you to stop shouting inches from her (don't forget, cat.. sensitive hearing) was downright rude. She asked you several times IC, then asked you OOC and that's when the argument started.
I'm not going to take any sides about that arguement, but as a channel mod, it will NOT happen again. If it does, people will be removed from the channel. This means anyone, not just yourself. I'm quite frankly totally sick of some of the things that get said in that channel and from now on I'm going to bring down the hammer without mercy.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Because I have an opinion on everything 
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If your character is supposed to be rude, obnoxious and uncaring - and people don't like the character, congratulations! You've suceeded.
However, if your character is supposed to be sweetness and light, but you're letting OOC actions filter through into your portrayal of said character - you may need to take a little break and start again in a month or so.
If all of your characters are disliked, without reason - then it's the "fault" of the other players for taking OOC actions into their IC portrayal.
It's one of the toughest things to overcome when roleplaying. If you don't like a person, or their character, you can't treat them as such unless your character also doesn't like the character. And vice versa.
I can't really comment on godmodding, as I have no interest in playing godlike characters - but from what I've seen/heard of it, it seems like a very black and white issue. No grey areas, and so no excuses.
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If you're going to dislike her, at least learn to spell her name. It's Aisla, and it's a name she's used since she started larping. It's nordic. Can't remember what it means.
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I think it's been pointed out several times that your desire to stand around a public location spamming powers and ignoring all attempts IC and OOC to stop you has been one of the main reasons you are disliked.
Perhaps, before making accusations such as this, you should consider your own actions in the matter. An argument requires two participants, and you were the other one. Your actions caused hers, saying that she started the argument is not necessarily true.
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I am a good RPer, I have done it for a long time and I know how it works, like I said grant respect it shall be given
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I'm sorry, but this section is mutually contradictory. Why should I respect you? Because you say you're a good roleplayer? And you won't respect me until I respect you?
Just think about that for a second. When you get over yourself, perhaps you'll be ready for a public RP setting.
Frankly, I've met people a lot like you before in another game. They created 'uber' characters and wrote lengthy descriptions of the powers they had in their bios. They then expected everyone else to accept whatever they did, because it was there in the bio, and their friends were happy to go along with it.
They felt they should be respected as roleplayers without doing anything to gain that respect in the community they were moving into.
The difference was that I ran the server. I could talk to them, explain to them what was going wrong and why people disliked them. I could also make the rules, so I could tell them that what they did in private with their friends was their friends' problem, but when they tried to do the same in public everyone had the right to ignore them (as FFM's character did to Luther). If it wasn't a real, in-game effect, then anything that happened required consensual roleplay. e.g. If I don't think your character created the universe and can wish mine out of existance, then he can't. If you don't think mine can read your mind, then he can't. Pretty simple really, but it's amazing how people don't think that way at times.
For the record, both of he worst 'uber character' offenders on that server were eventually banned. You wouldn't believe how many complaints I had to listen to from the other players before they got kicked, and from their friends afterward. Everyone tends to live in their own little world and think everyone has their view. Both sides of any argument think they're right. And that's exactly why I'm not a moderator on GGOOC, and why I disagreed that Aisla should become one. As predicted, she's had a fair amount of grief from it. (Someone tell me why I plan to start Tharcion again and get all the giref back? 
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Posts are OOC unless noted to be IC, or in an IC thread.
And because I can, I like you Aisla .
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A repressed self-persecution complex perhaps? Maybe some slight megalomania? 
Or maybe you're just soooo fed up with not being able to do anything about annoying people, that you want that level of control back in your gaming life?
"My server, my rules, you arguing? Bye bye!" /kick+ban
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Ravenswing said;
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It's Aisla, and it's a name she's used since she started larping. It's nordic. Can't remember what it means.
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It's the name of one of the daughters of Freya, goddess of beauty. (IIRC)
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Awww, thanks hun! :-) *Muffled voice* 'I'll pay you the bribe at the weekend.'
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A repressed self-persecution complex perhaps? Maybe some slight megalomania?
Or maybe you're just soooo fed up with not being able to do anything about annoying people, that you want that level of control back in your gaming life?
"My server, my rules, you arguing? Bye bye!" /kick+ban
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A bit of all of the above, really. ;-) But at least we're honest about it.
As far as this thread was going I was gonna let it go... I have resolved my problem with Aisla in game...
As for the comment about me spamming powers... I have only EVER done that once... the first time I cam to GG... and you guys are slightly biased... understandably. But seriously guys... my spamming was not the issue here... the issue was godmodding, WHICH I admitted to doing, did any of you read my post without just looking at the critisisms I was making?
Yeah I am a good RPer cos I can get into a role very well, I have played many different styles of RP and I know how its done and the general rules... you can play for 20 years and still not be good at it not a comment generally aimed towards anyone here... I have done it for 3 years and I have been told I am a good storyteller... I also believe IMHO that yeah I am, you guys just don't like me cos a) I have an opinion, b)cos I said I don't like someone who is a friend of yours and c) I did a bad thing first time I came to GG... and Raven is evidence that you guys hold a grudge when that wasn't even the source of the arguement.
Funny thing is really that the people who have posted are the people I targetted my problems at... I don't need to be part of your channel FFM I am there because I enjoy the company of a lot of the people in there.
Reading your posts also it seems you only picked out the negative points... are you blind to the rest of my post... Aisla saw it, she took constructive measures to ensuring myself and her got on... and thanks Raven for being petty enough to talk about the fact I made a spelling error... good for you. The quote "I don't like Aisla" does not show the full picture... I also said "I could learn to change my mind" and I have now I have spoken to her.
By the way Raven why hould I have to earn your respect when it is clear you don't require mine, I mean it's all well and good saying to me "You want respect, earn it" but I havn't really been given a chance you guys seem to have a set opinion of me cos I said I didn't like one of your friends?
Fact is guys you are all giving my a bad rap cos I am actually being honest... I'm not gonna say "Oh I love someone" just cos you guys all do, nor am I going to say "Oh I will conform to your laws cos it's your channel" if your bloody minded enough to think that way FFM that's up to you, I accept you don't like change... which was what you said, no twisting of your words.
God guys... *sigh* ... well done to you anyway, well done for acting like school kids, I came in here and sure thing I told ya it was fine and I understood what you guys said and you found the bad in it, banded together, pfft... don't wanna hear your objections to this post... why not say something constructive about it... Hey look I am godmodding your next response, oh and no sarcasm... sick of having to interpret it from text... WOO... don't ya just love hypocracy?! <---Oh look humour...
Go go go!
NZ
Look dude, I may have never visited Galaxy Girl due to my not owning CoH but I do roleplay regularly villain-side. I don't know exactly what went on in-game but from what I can tell from this thread and a neutral point of view is that you, NZ, need to just take a major chill-pill over this. You said you would stop god-modding and have learned from your previous mistakes, well that's a good thing.
Maybe if you attend the next Galaxy Girl meeting you will be embraced back with open arms if you show that you really have learned from past mistakes. The people here don't seem like the types to hold long-term grudges.
One more thing...please...god...do not bring up the subject of "respect" and how to earn it.
So just...chill out man.
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Ahem, you've done it every night I've seen you at GG, without exception.
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Yeah I am a good RPer cos I can get into a role very well, I have played many different styles of RP and I know how its done and the general rules...
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Since when has the ability to get into a role, or even write good stories, made someone a good roleplayer? Purely in my opinion, a good roleplayer also needs to have consideration for others.
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I also believe IMHO that yeah I am, you guys just don't like me cos a) I have an opinion, b)cos I said I don't like someone who is a friend of yours and c) I did a bad thing first time I came to GG...
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Well, I'm sorry you think that, but I don't think anyone at GG actually dislikes you, certainly not for the reasons above. In fact, last night, at the beach party, I distinctly remember speaking to your character quite pleasantly. No, what we didn't like was the spamming of powers and godmodding, which continued after you had been asked several times by several people, to stop.
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Reading your posts also it seems you only picked out the negative points... are you blind to the rest of my post...
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No, I saw your entire post. I merely chose to reply to parts I had thoughts on. But here you go, I'm picking up every part now, just for you.
Excuse me though, for not commenting on your question to Ravenswing.
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Fact is guys you are all giving my a bad rap cos I am actually being honest... I'm not gonna say "Oh I love someone" just cos you guys all do, nor am I going to say "Oh I will conform to your laws cos it's your channel" if your bloody minded enough to think that way FFM that's up to you, I accept you don't like change... which was what you said, no twisting of your words.
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Well, let's see.... Yes, the GGOOC channel IS our channel, and yes we have rules. These are designed so that people in there can actually have a nice chat, without disrupting the flow of roleplay at GG. Nobody wants to watch a slanging match or any other kind of unpleasant behaviour so any of that from ANYONE, even another moderator, will result in them being removed from the channel. I think that's pretty resonable, but if you don't think so, feel free to discuss it in-game. Anyone removed though, will be told why in a /tell, and given plenty of opportunity to apologise to the channel (note I say channel here, not the mods) and return.
Oh, and if after someones removal, any of the mods get any abusive tells, or if it starts in local instead, they will be reported to the game GMs.
Oh, and I never ONCE said I don't like change. You're not twisting my words at all, you're inventing them. I happen to like that more people are coming to GG now, although it is now tending to get so busy that it makes following conversations somewhat difficult at times. No, what I DON'T like is people that are disrupting other peoples experience, including my own. It's griefing pure and simple, and if asking them nicely doesn't work, they eventually we come to the recourse of petitioning. This is NOT something we want to do.
As for your final paragraph, well... If you want constructive criticism, then the best I can do is to say this. In purely my opinion, it's good that you decided to talk about it, but I'm not sure doing it in the community forums was wholly appropriate. I'm sure Bridger would much rather it have been taken care of with PMs or game /tells. However, you did not, so it was opened to public view, and therefore public criticism. You say you've resolved your issue with Aisla in-game, and I'm glad to hear it; it is afterall, just a game, and holding animosity to someone over it is rather silly really. I just hope this serves as a learning experience for EVERYONE and we have no further repeats of it.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I think this thread has done all the good it's going to, to be perfectly honest. I reccommend closing it up, and moving on. The issue has been addressed, debating over the minutae of how people said what will only result in people losing out on both sides, quite frankly.
Besides, everyone knows Cat's can't talk, and there's no such thing as vampires! *runs*
Here's some constructive points... If you don't like the way GGOOC operates, if you don't like the moderation of GGOOC, why don't you go and start your own global channel and get your friends to join it? GGOOC isn't going to change for you, a lot more people are happy with it the way it is. No-one is forcing you to use GGOOC.
Similarly, you don't like how we operate at GG, go start your own RP meet in another location and get your friends to join you. No-one is forcing you to attend GG either.
If you're unwilling to do either of those things, your complaints about GG, GGOOC and the people that form those communities can't be as great as you like to make out.
What you're doing is like a homeless person going to a soup kitchen for the homeless, then complaining about the soup and the fact that the room is filled with homeless people but yet still eating the soup and staying in the room.
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That's, um. Not the most constructive of posts, mate.
Bridger? I think this thread needs to be locked :/
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Bridger? I think this thread needs to be locked :/
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Actually... I think I concur at this point, so I'll report my this post (Mine, not yours Finn! ), so that it comes to his attention. It's become counterproductive now.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I also believe IMHO that yeah I am, you guys just don't like me cos a) I have an opinion, b)cos I said I don't like someone who is a friend of yours and c) I did a bad thing first time I came to GG... and Raven is evidence that you guys hold a grudge when that wasn't even the source of the arguement.
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there's a little lesson here - you never ever tell people why they hate you. It makes everything go boom. Just advice from personal experiance, not a jibe.
Also there's bound to a few of us who don't like.. dare i say hate another person on the channel.. we just deal with it and don't say anything.. you know.. like in the real world at work and such like? You got to at least pretend you get on sometimes to save friction like this.
I myself am a bit iffy about one or two people. Aisla was one of them until I actually talked to her but she's actually very nice and I'm not sure why I didn't talk to her before. Maybe it's the "veterans" thing...
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I myself am a bit iffy about one or two people. Aisla was one of them until I actually talked to her but she's actually very nice and I'm not sure why I didn't talk to her before. Maybe it's the "veterans" thing...
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Meh, I am an odd ball, and am more then willing to accept that. I also am very straightforward and hardly -ever- dance around something or ignore it, if I do, it'll just end up with me feeling miserable, which has its affects on people I love. To prevent this from escalating, I confront people, head-first. Admittedly, not always the best practice, as I have learned that that approach is often misunderstood by people from the UK.
I think it's a cultural thing, as it keeps popping up, combined with the fact I am a rather passionate person to begin with and you can quickly get the wrong picture of me.
The reason I do not alter this, is that it would mean that I am no longer who I am, and those who are open enough to get to know the person beneath the exterior, are worth my friendship in my eyes, making me (I hope) a good, faithful, loving friend.
Hope that makes sense. :-)
Edit: On second thoughts. Never mind. I don't actually care about GG enough to try to persuade anyone of the error of their ways.
See you lot in Bristol, if you're coming. I'm quitting this place, as of now.
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Well, let's see.... Yes, the GGOOC channel IS our channel, and yes we have rules. These are designed so that people in there can actually have a nice chat,
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Lol!
Oh wait you're being serious..
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Well, let's see.... Yes, the GGOOC channel IS our channel, and yes we have rules. These are designed so that people in there can actually have a nice chat,
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Lol!
Oh wait you're being serious..
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Why the shocked face? Is it really so silly to think we'd actually like a pleasant channel to chat in that doesn't disturb the flow of RP? Is it really so shocking to think we'd remove people from the channel that are arguing, and thus ruining peoples evening? We've had people turn the channel off, or even leave, because of some of the things said before.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Its the nice chat, bit that made me laugh.
But to clarify, my views are totaly based upon a limited time spent in contact with the GGOOC and perhaps not representative of the the whole.
I found it to be full of arguments, and more than a bit daunting for a newcomer (and "insert name of deity of the week" knows I've got thicker skin than most). 
DG>
Yes, it's been getting rather different in there recently. Which is why I'm going to crack down on it as best I can. Any problems, please sent a tell to a channel mod. They're the ones with a star by their names in the channel list.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Two points from someone not there.
1) Rude and obnoxious characters can be very fun to play; but it's always a good idea to make sure that you let people know that's their character, NEVER aim a barb at the players and give them a reason to be rude and an actual 'use' for them.
One of my vampire characters was the most vile character ever, but he was a psychopathic buffoon and was slaughtered after he tried to sell someone out. In the mean time though, he created a lot of plot for other people, and so is generally remembered as a 'good character'.
2) "I am a good RPer, I have done it for a long time and I know how it works, like I said grant respect it shall be given."
This is a VERY dangerous statement to make. I've RP'ed for nearly 20 years now and I'm still not at my best. If you're a newcomer to any group you have to find out how they play first. Respect will come, it is never to be taken.