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Originally Posted by Bright_Shadow
AE was intended to also be used for players who wished to challenge themselves, among many other uses.
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How would removing rewards prevent them from challenging themselves?
EDIT: Farming is farming. Meh. Take it or leave it. I'll leave it as I can maybe manage one run before being bored to tears anyway. AE levelling (especially via (broken) farms) is my gripe.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
Ah. So of course they actually meant challenge themselves and receive rewards far outweighing any risk. How silly of me to not realize that "challenging" themselves meant 1-50 in a few hours of Lt farming.
How would removing rewards prevent them from challenging themselves? EDIT: Farming is farming. Meh. Take it or leave it. I'll leave it as I can maybe manage one run before being bored to tears anyway. AE levelling (especially via (broken) farms) is my gripe. |
How about you try it and see if it is a challenge or not.
And any challenge, has its rewards.
Thank god no! Listened to enough of them on vent though. Seems pretty straightforward. Sit by door with a 46, other 6 people beat the everlovin crap out of the map. I hit 50 before dinner. Lookit all that risk I had to deal with. Whew. Glad I was up to all the alt+tabbing and watching YouTube I had to do so I could be 50. I'm sure I'll be a valuable asset to a team now. So... where's this ITF Mothership thingy I heard about? What do I put in those holes under my powers? What's endurance?
The point is that the reward is so vastly skewed compared to the risk that it's a broken system.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No more true is that statement than what AE is capable of. What I mean by that is AE is the clay and your its artisan. So, to actually answer the OP question, "Has AE KOed Cox?" No I don't think it has.
For many reasons its widened this game. In the search window click random and see the vast array of creative talent people have to offer. Its just like anything else, even the devs have made the best farming missions: shadow hunter wolves, ninjas, family, and for all you old school players box herding in Boomtown and Creys Folly.
Its great for badgers. Just yesterday I found a mission with nothing but smasher elites for the warrior badge, so I didn't have to painstakingly go to sirens call for 5 hours and get ganked by stalkers over and over again. Its allowed freedom and the skies the limit. Just try one of the many Elite Bosses/AV user created arcs.
Its the age old debate. I've heard it all before. Lets break this down some.
''We don't agree that you leveling this way.''
To basically summarize players want other players to follow their ingame 'rules' like we're playing their game and their rules and we can't deviate from that. Just fit into a box and get to 1-50 how we tell you and nothing else!!
I mean lets take a broader look at it too. All those scanner teams or paper mission teams that run on invincible in the same zone for 10 levels...isn't that like farming/PLing too in a way taking nothing but council or freakshow defeat boss and minions rooms?
If you don't like AE don't play in AE. Granted its not for everyone. Just like some other content in this game that's left alone like, sewer trial, eden trial, and others and dead zones: Boomtown, Perez Park, Dark Astoria, Eden, and Creys folly, widely ignored by the populous so they can run their scanner/paper missions. I do not have a problem with people running scanner missions over and over again, so don't pick me apart and capsule my post by saying I'm against scanner missions!!
Anyway I'm a vet of 60 months in this game, I've seen different stages of this game and to me, honestly, I think AE has at least for myself saved this game. For me its an alternative to raising the level cap and create some fantastic content that's user driven.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
Thank god no! Listened to enough of them on vent though. Seems pretty straightforward. Sit by door with a 46, other 6 people beat the everlovin crap out of the map. I hit 50 before dinner. Lookit all that risk I had to deal with. Whew. Glad I was up to all the alt+tabbing and watching YouTube I had to do so I could be 50. I'm sure I'll be a valuable asset to a team now.
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No wonder you think the risk vs. reward is skewed.
And I fully agree with c4maniac.
By your definition, and that of was most people who are opposed to farming in AE, doing the same old newspaper missions and the same old content after 5 years can be considered farming. So, in a sense, we're all farmers! OH MY GOD! WE'RE ALL BRINGING THE DEATH OF COH! :O
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Originally Posted by DocArcus
I put "I don't do AE farms" in the team search comments on a toon. I started to get lots of non-farm invite every time I set it to Looking for Team. I never have trouble finding a mission team.
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Hey, that sounds like a good and simple idea...
*facepalms* don't know why I didn't think of that earlier!
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Originally Posted by c4maniac
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No more true is that statement than what AE is capable of. What I mean by that is AE is the clay and your its artisan. So, to actually answer the OP question, "Has AE KOed Cox?" No I don't think it has.
For many reasons its widened this game. In the search window click random and see the vast array of creative talent people have to offer. Its just like anything else, even the devs have made the best farming missions: shadow hunter wolves, ninjas, family, and for all you old school players box herding in Boomtown and Creys Folly. Its great for badgers. Just yesterday I found a mission with nothing but smasher elites for the warrior badge, so I didn't have to painstakingly go to sirens call for 5 hours and get ganked by stalkers over and over again. Its allowed freedom and the skies the limit. Just try one of the many Elite Bosses/AV user created arcs. Its the age old debate. I've heard it all before. Lets break this down some. ''We don't agree that you leveling this way.'' To basically summarize players want other players to follow their ingame 'rules' like we're playing their game and their rules and we can't deviate from that. Just fit into a box and get to 1-50 how we tell you and nothing else!! I mean lets take a broader look at it too. All those scanner teams or paper mission teams that run on invincible in the same zone for 10 levels...isn't that like farming/PLing too in a way taking nothing but council or freakshow defeat boss and minions rooms? If you don't like AE don't play in AE. Granted its not for everyone. Just like some other content in this game that's left alone like, sewer trial, eden trial, and others and dead zones: Boomtown, Perez Park, Dark Astoria, Eden, and Creys folly, widely ignored by the populous so they can run their scanner/paper missions. I do not have a problem with people running scanner missions over and over again, so don't pick me apart and capsule my post by saying I'm against scanner missions!! Anyway I'm a vet of 60 months in this game, I've seen different stages of this game and to me, honestly, I think AE has at least for myself saved this game. For me its an alternative to raising the level cap and create some fantastic content that's user driven. |
In the Grand scheme of things people don't know when to shut up.
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Originally Posted by kilroy64
CoX is a pretty cool game. I mean from EQ1 to Champions Online it's about getting mission/quest and going and killing/gathering. So every game is pretty much the same, it is all about what genre you like to play in.
Howevah.... I keep coming back to CoX because you can ALWAYS get a team. You see I do not like to solo. To me it is boring. Whether I am soloing with my LM on LOTRO or my first female character ever....my night elf hunter on WoW.....I find soloing boring. *snip* ****edited in. Oh, I forgot to apologize for bringing this up again because this is the kind of topic that may have been hashed and re-hashed several times before. Humor me. |
Hrm. (TROLL) because (TROLL) and I think (TROLL) and you can all (TROLL).
It's a dead horse. I log in. RP some. -If- I want, I ask some of my global friends what's going on today. ITF. LRSF. STF. Hamiraid. Mothership Raid. Or, "Hey, I'm trying to lvl my lowbie. Anything other than a farm going on?"
Guess what? I find teams. Things to do OUTSIDE AE. OMGWTFBBQ??
And I have been since AE came out. So....no, AE hasn't killed the game.
Stop trolling.
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Great post, well thought out. Your points are clear, true and well taken.|
Originally Posted by c4maniac
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No more true is that statement than what AE is capable of. What I mean by that is AE is the clay and your its artisan. So, to actually answer the OP question, "Has AE KOed Cox?" No I don't think it has.
For many reasons its widened this game. In the search window click random and see the vast array of creative talent people have to offer. Its just like anything else, even the devs have made the best farming missions: shadow hunter wolves, ninjas, family, and for all you old school players box herding in Boomtown and Creys Folly. Its great for badgers. Just yesterday I found a mission with nothing but smasher elites for the warrior badge, so I didn't have to painstakingly go to sirens call for 5 hours and get ganked by stalkers over and over again. Its allowed freedom and the skies the limit. Just try one of the many Elite Bosses/AV user created arcs. Its the age old debate. I've heard it all before. Lets break this down some. ''We don't agree that you leveling this way.'' To basically summarize players want other players to follow their ingame 'rules' like we're playing their game and their rules and we can't deviate from that. Just fit into a box and get to 1-50 how we tell you and nothing else!! I mean lets take a broader look at it too. All those scanner teams or paper mission teams that run on invincible in the same zone for 10 levels...isn't that like farming/PLing too in a way taking nothing but council or freakshow defeat boss and minions rooms? If you don't like AE don't play in AE. Granted its not for everyone. Just like some other content in this game that's left alone like, sewer trial, eden trial, and others and dead zones: Boomtown, Perez Park, Dark Astoria, Eden, and Creys folly, widely ignored by the populous so they can run their scanner/paper missions. I do not have a problem with people running scanner missions over and over again, so don't pick me apart and capsule my post by saying I'm against scanner missions!! Anyway I'm a vet of 60 months in this game, I've seen different stages of this game and to me, honestly, I think AE has at least for myself saved this game. For me its an alternative to raising the level cap and create some fantastic content that's user driven. |
They don't really have anything to do with my original point...which is absolutely fine too.
It does not matter to me how somebody gets from level 1 to 50 at all.
And like I said in a different post the title is a bit misleading. I don't really mean that AE has ruined CoX. What I should have said, or TROLLED about as another poster said, was that it has really changed things from my perspective as well as from the two other buddies that came back with me.
It does take quite a bit of effort now to get in to a team. This weekend reminded me of how it used to be. Even if you didn't put on your LFT tag you got blind invites. If you did a broadcast in any zone you could put a team together pretty quickly.
Before last weekend, for the last two months that I had been back to the game, I found getting in to and forming a team quite a bit more difficult than it used to be. So much more difficult that I am shocked when people say they see no difference because it is like night and day for us.
And then when I did get in to a team it was a farm team, an AE farm team. Which for me is not really that fun but not my point.
So the title was misleading, the point not as extreme as some people wanted it to be and has nothing to do with complaining about whether people farm or not.
Actually quite amazed that this is getting posted to still.
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I way I brake out of the chain for boring old content cause really I can't stand pvp anymore, what I do is roll the most weirdest builds now, and that I'm waiting out to play my traps/* defender! Oh and base editing too keep me busy too...(and I'm working on a pretty epic story arc in AE) but shhhh! Well I do have to be honest I haven't played the last year and AE has brought me back cause I think its great to create and this game has given us that. Its like a little big planet MMO now which is cool.
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Originally Posted by Bright_Shadow
...me, along with most people I know, don't farm like that...
No wonder you think the risk vs. reward is skewed. And I fully agree with c4maniac. By your definition, and that of was most people who are opposed to farming in AE, doing the same old newspaper missions and the same old content after 5 years can be considered farming. So, in a sense, we're all farmers! OH MY GOD! WE'RE ALL BRINGING THE DEATH OF COH! :O |
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Fair enough. Still, I say find an awesome SG. You've been back for 2 months, so you obviously like the game and aren't going to decide to bail in a week or two. If you like it enough to stick with it, it's not a lot of extra time and effort to poke around a bit and find info on various SGs. Find one that sounds like your speed. Contact 'em. Team with 'em, get a feel for them. If it works for you, join. Seriously, I know I'm making it sound like the miracle cure-all, but all the stuff you're complaining about here I look at and I think "Man, I'm glad I have awesome friends and a cool SG and don't have to worry about that stuff". Don't take my word for it, go out there and find out yourself. The time you're wasting trying to get on mediocre PUGs is time you could be spending finding awesome friends to enjoy this game with, and maybe other games in the future. It's up to you if you want to go to the trouble, but I really think it'll pay off for you if you're smart about it and don't automatically settle for the first group that tosses you an invite.
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Originally Posted by kilroy64
Great post, well thought out. Your points are clear, true and well taken.
They don't really have anything to do with my original point...which is absolutely fine too. It does not matter to me how somebody gets from level 1 to 50 at all. And like I said in a different post the title is a bit misleading. I don't really mean that AE has ruined CoX. What I should have said, or TROLLED about as another poster said, was that it has really changed things from my perspective as well as from the two other buddies that came back with me. It does take quite a bit of effort now to get in to a team. This weekend reminded me of how it used to be. Even if you didn't put on your LFT tag you got blind invites. If you did a broadcast in any zone you could put a team together pretty quickly. Before last weekend, for the last two months that I had been back to the game, I found getting in to and forming a team quite a bit more difficult than it used to be. So much more difficult that I am shocked when people say they see no difference because it is like night and day for us. And then when I did get in to a team it was a farm team, an AE farm team. Which for me is not really that fun but not my point. So the title was misleading, the point not as extreme as some people wanted it to be and has nothing to do with complaining about whether people farm or not. Actually quite amazed that this is getting posted to still. |
Personally, I liked the game more before AE was released.
I wonder how the new difficulty setting in I16 is going to affect the AE?
On the one hand, it should almost totally remove people begging for fillers, but on the other hand, it might start a wave of people begging to join teams, as people who were used to being fillers find themselves not needed or wanted anymore once solo friendly ATs are able to spawn maps for a full 8 anyway.
In the worst case, I think, the ex fillers will just hang around the AE buildings, asking for teams - especially if they joined the game after I14 and haven't really explored anywhere outside the AE yet, and mightn't even know how good their AT could be at soloing or normal teaming if they've been used to door sitting the whole time.
In the best case, hopefully, most of them will decide to discover the game outside the AE, and have more fun teaming normally and doing normal mission and learning their AT - no more AE spam broadcasts in Atlas, and more players spread out over the other zones.
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Originally Posted by NekoAli
Short answer: no it hasn't.
Longer answer: People that used to farm missions for power levelling or badges or whatever are now doing it through custom AE missions. Paragon is working on getting rid of that. You will still find plenty of people doing regular missions though, just not as many as you used to find. And there are good AE story missions in there, but you won't find them by teaming up with farmers. |
How could anybody have trouble finding a team on Virtue, of all places?
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Actually it doesn't. It would be a lot slower path to level to 50 by just mission complete rewards, but you could level to 50, so it does not invalidate the statement.|
Originally Posted by Phoenicis_Sands
I have to disagree.
AE was billed as an alternate path from 1 to 50. Removing rewards except for a mission completion reward would invalidate that statement. |
I would rather that we didn't have to remove the majority of mission rewards in order to get this situation straitened out, but that is becoming more obviously the case.
I'd be happy enough if the tickets only unlocked unlockable-content, and I've already unlocked it all.
Even if only Dev's Choice and Hall of Fame missions were the only missions to give xp in the MA, you would still be able to level to 50 in the MA and,thus, the statement that you can level to 50 in the MA would not be invalidated.
The sad part is that some farming missions may have become DEV's Choice or Hall of Fame missions because of the criteria used to select the missions and the fact that they may not be "inspected" before they given these rewards.
Or that is at least what appeared to be happening as far as I could tell for a while, maybe this oversight has been resolved. It may have even been resolved a while back. I've been fed up with the situation in the AE for quite a while now and don't inspect it like I did in the early days.
I see nowhere that indicates that MA is an alternate path to get to level 50 in less than a day in anything released by Paragon Studios or NCSoft - that is a notion that is only lodged in the brains of exploiters.
The very least that could be done at this point is to separate a farming AE from the normal AE and place the farming AE in a non starting zone, maybe in it's own zone that his new and has everything the farms need/want.
At that point, the Farmers can have no complains when their accounts are closed when they try to get farming teams or post farming content in a non-farm area of the game. If this happened at least the farmers wouldn't be in Atlas any more and their wouldn't be farming missions in the way when people were looking for the "story" missions in the AE.
I'm still under the understanding that the DEVs don't want any farming going on in the AE - let alone the exploit-farming that is so common place in the AE.
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Quoted for Perfect.
How could anybody have trouble finding a team on Virtue, of all places? |
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Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic
Actually it doesn't. It would be a lot slower path to level to 50 by just mission complete rewards, but you could level to 50, so it does not invalidate the statement.
I would rather that we didn't have to remove the majority of mission rewards in order to get this situation straitened out, but that is becoming more obviously the case. I'd be happy enough if the tickets only unlocked unlockable-content, and I've already unlocked it all. Even if only Dev's Choice and Hall of Fame missions were the only missions to give xp in the MA, you would still be able to level to 50 in the MA and,thus, the statement that you can level to 50 in the MA would not be invalidated. The sad part is that some farming missions may have become DEV's Choice or Hall of Fame missions because of the criteria used to select the missions and the fact that they may not be "inspected" before they given these rewards. Or that is at least what appeared to be happening as far as I could tell for a while, maybe this oversight has been resolved. It may have even been resolved a while back. I've been fed up with the situation in the AE for quite a while now and don't inspect it like I did in the early days. I see nowhere that indicates that MA is an alternate path to get to level 50 in less than a day in anything released by Paragon Studios or NCSoft - that is a notion that is only lodged in the brains of exploiters. The very least that could be done at this point is to separate a farming AE from the normal AE and place the farming AE in a non starting zone, maybe in it's own zone that his new and has everything the farms need/want. At that point, the Farmers can have no complains when their accounts are closed when they try to get farming teams or post farming content in a non-farm area of the game. If this happened at least the farmers wouldn't be in Atlas any more and their wouldn't be farming missions in the way when people were looking for the "story" missions in the AE. I'm still under the understanding that the DEVs don't want any farming going on in the AE - let alone the exploit-farming that is so common place in the AE. |
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I'm sick of cheaters. The MA isn't for farming or power-leveling. It never has been. If you think you have a right to abuse the MA, consider yourself ignored. If you side with the right for others to abuse the MA, consider yourself ignored. I'm over it.
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I would like to issue a plea on behalf of Paragon's diminutive protectors, please watch where you step. We're four feet tall in a six foot tall world, we've been cast adrift in a sea of butts. -Pillbug
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Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
Well, they could be called "Killer of Catgirls", which could offend 98.32% of the Virtue population.
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You know, I've heard far more people on Virtue complaining about the deluge of catgirls than I have seen actually playing one. Maybe the majority of Virtue players just thought "Killer of Catgirls" sounded like a stupid joke character? I know I prefer to avoid teaming with people I can't RP with.
Going out on a limb there, I know.
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It was way back in the first few months of the game. Every third character was a catgirl, so it became a bit of a meme ever since.
I would like to issue a plea on behalf of Paragon's diminutive protectors, please watch where you step. We're four feet tall in a six foot tall world, we've been cast adrift in a sea of butts. -Pillbug
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Oh for cryin' out loud, Alt, stop whining! Either play the freakin' game or quit! There are so many things wrong with this post, and I'm not even gonna begin arguing with you cause I know it's pointless to argue with someone who's crying on top of their lungs cause people aren't playing the way they are "supposed to" by your standards.
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Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic
Actually it doesn't. It would be a lot slower path to level to 50 by just mission complete rewards, but you could level to 50, so it does not invalidate the statement.
I would rather that we didn't have to remove the majority of mission rewards in order to get this situation straitened out, but that is becoming more obviously the case. I'd be happy enough if the tickets only unlocked unlockable-content, and I've already unlocked it all. Even if only Dev's Choice and Hall of Fame missions were the only missions to give xp in the MA, you would still be able to level to 50 in the MA and,thus, the statement that you can level to 50 in the MA would not be invalidated. The sad part is that some farming missions may have become DEV's Choice or Hall of Fame missions because of the criteria used to select the missions and the fact that they may not be "inspected" before they given these rewards. Or that is at least what appeared to be happening as far as I could tell for a while, maybe this oversight has been resolved. It may have even been resolved a while back. I've been fed up with the situation in the AE for quite a while now and don't inspect it like I did in the early days. I see nowhere that indicates that MA is an alternate path to get to level 50 in less than a day in anything released by Paragon Studios or NCSoft - that is a notion that is only lodged in the brains of exploiters. The very least that could be done at this point is to separate a farming AE from the normal AE and place the farming AE in a non starting zone, maybe in it's own zone that his new and has everything the farms need/want. At that point, the Farmers can have no complains when their accounts are closed when they try to get farming teams or post farming content in a non-farm area of the game. If this happened at least the farmers wouldn't be in Atlas any more and their wouldn't be farming missions in the way when people were looking for the "story" missions in the AE. I'm still under the understanding that the DEVs don't want any farming going on in the AE - let alone the exploit-farming that is so common place in the AE. |
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I agree with you 100% and this is what I am working on right now. I am kind of hanging out and trying to spot people RPing or watching for people broadcasting about their RP SGs. Have not had any luck yet but I am sure I will find something.
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Originally Posted by Warp_Factor
Fair enough. Still, I say find an awesome SG. You've been back for 2 months, so you obviously like the game and aren't going to decide to bail in a week or two. If you like it enough to stick with it, it's not a lot of extra time and effort to poke around a bit and find info on various SGs. Find one that sounds like your speed. Contact 'em. Team with 'em, get a feel for them. If it works for you, join. Seriously, I know I'm making it sound like the miracle cure-all, but all the stuff you're complaining about here I look at and I think "Man, I'm glad I have awesome friends and a cool SG and don't have to worry about that stuff". Don't take my word for it, go out there and find out yourself. The time you're wasting trying to get on mediocre PUGs is time you could be spending finding awesome friends to enjoy this game with, and maybe other games in the future. It's up to you if you want to go to the trouble, but I really think it'll pay off for you if you're smart about it and don't automatically settle for the first group that tosses you an invite.
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I don't think this thread's going anywhere semi-discussable at this point
In the Grand scheme of things people don't know when to shut up.
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Originally Posted by Elprede
I don't think this thread's going anywhere semi-discussable at this point
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It hasn't, lots of people were never farmers, so AE doesn't have to turn the game into that for them. It's not like that' the only option out there
In the Grand scheme of things people don't know when to shut up.
Elprede- 50 Blaster Ice/elec
Flaron Llothren- 50 Tank Ice/SS
Technic Flame- 50 Controller Fire/kin
Lance Indalen- Brute 50 Em/elec
Heart widow- Widow 50