SS/Shield end hog of all end hogs

ok, so I got my SS/Shield up to around 37 and he is an outrageous end hog. I got stamina but that doesn't seem to help at all. I don't even have hasten, so I can already see the rage crash and the hasten crash making it even more of a pain in the [censored].

I normally tend not to IO my characters until I hit 50. I like to get to 50, then use a respec and spec the powers and slots I want for 50, then IO him all out in one swoop. So, without IO's, is there a way to make him not eat the entire blue bar before one fight even half over?

This is the build I'm working on trying to solve the same thing. Maybe it will give you some ideas.

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Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg-S:50(A), Acc/Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(3), Acc/Dmg/Rchg-S:50(3), Dmg/Rchg-S:50(5), Acc/Dmg-S:50(5)
Level 1: Deflection -- Rchg+-S:50(A), Def-S:50(7), Def/EndRdx-S:50(9), ResDam/Def+-S:30(9)
Level 2: Haymaker -- Acc/Dmg/EndRdx-S:40(A), Dmg/Rchg-S:40(7), Dmg/EndRdx-S:40(11), Acc/Dmg-S:40(11), Dam%-S:40(13), Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg-S:40(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- Regen+-S:30(A), Regen/Rcvry+-S:50(15), Heal-S:50(17), Rcvry+-S:40(17), Heal-S:40(19), Heal/EndRdx-S:40(19)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- Dam%-S:40(A), Acc/Dmg/EndRdx-S:40(21), Dmg/Rchg-S:40(21), Dmg/EndRdx-S:40(23), Acc/Dmg-S:40(23), Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg-S:40(25)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(15), RechRdx-I:50(25)
Level 12: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(27)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Travel-S:50(A), Travel/EndRdx-S:50(29), ResKB-S:50(50)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-S:40(A), Heal/EndRdx-S:40(27)
Level 18: Rage -- Rchg/EndRdx-S:50(A), ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx-S:50(29), ToHit/Rchg-S:50(31), ToHit-S:50(31), Build%-S:50(31), ToHit/EndRdx-S:50(33)
Level 20: Stamina -- End%-S:50(A), EndMod/Acc-S:50(33), EndMod-S:50(33), EndMod/Rchg-S:50(34)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Battle Agility -- Rchg+-S:50(A), Def-S:50(34), Def/EndRdx-S:50(34)
Level 26: Boxing -- Dmg-I:50(A)
Level 28: Tough -- ResDam-S:50(A), ResDam/EndRdx-S:50(36), ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg-S:50(36)
Level 30: Weave -- EndRdx-S:50(A), Def-S:50(36), Def/EndRdx-S:50(37), Def/Rchg-S:50(37), Def/EndRdx/Rchg-S:40(37), Def/EndRdx-S:40(39)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(A), Dmg/Rchg-S:50(39), Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(39), Acc/Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(40), Acc/Rchg-S:50(40), Rechg%-S:50(40)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg-S:50(A), %Dam-S:50(42), Dmg-S:50(42), Acc/Rchg-S:50(42), Dmg/Rchg-S:50(43), Acc/Dmg/Rchg-S:50(43)
Level 38: Combat Jumping -- Travel-S:50(A), Travel/EndRdx-S:50(43), ResKB-S:50(45), Rchg+-S:50(45)
Level 41: Gloom -- Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg-S:50(A), Acc/Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(45), Acc/Dmg-S:50(46), Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(46), Dmg/Rchg-S:50(46), Acc/Dmg/Rchg-S:50(48)
Level 44: Dark Obliteration -- Acc/Rchg-S:50(A), Acc/Dmg/Rchg-S:50(48), Dmg/Rchg-S:50(48), Knock%-S:50(50), Dmg/EndRdx-S:50(50)
Level 47: Phalanx Fighting -- Rchg+-S:50(A)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- Rchg+-S:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]12.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]9.88% Defense(Smashing)[*]9.88% Defense(Lethal)[*]10.5% Defense(Fire)[*]10.5% Defense(Cold)[*]12.4% Defense(Energy)[*]12.4% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]16.8% Defense(Melee)[*]16.1% Defense(Ranged)[*]13.3% Defense(AoE)[*]38% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]57.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]14% FlySpeed[*]179.9 HP (12%) HitPoints[*]14% JumpHeight[*]14% JumpSpeed[*]Knockback (Mag -8)[*]Knockup (Mag -8)[*]MezResist(Held) 5.5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 9.9%[*]MezResist(Stun) 2.2%[*]19% (0.32 End/sec) Recovery[*]42% (2.63 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]3.78% Resistance(Fire)[*]3.78% Resistance(Cold)[*]19% RunSpeed[/list]------------
[u]Set Bonuses:[u]
[u]Crushing Impact[u]
(Punch)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%[*] 16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints[*] 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Deflection)<ul type="square">[*] 10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Steadfast Protection[u]
(Deflection)<ul type="square">[*] 3% Defense(All)[/list][u]Touch of Death[u]
(Haymaker)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%[*] 22.5 HP (1.5%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% DamageBuff(All)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.75%[*] 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)[/list][u]Numina's Convalescence[u]
(True Grit)<ul type="square">[*] 12% (0.75 HP/sec) Regeneration[/list][u]Miracle[u]
(True Grit)<ul type="square">[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*] 28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[/list][u]Touch of Death[u]
(Knockout Blow)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%[*] 22.5 HP (1.5%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% DamageBuff(All)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.75%[*] 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Super Speed)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[*] 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list][u]Miracle[u]
(Health)<ul type="square">[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[/list][u]Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control[u]
(Rage)<ul type="square">[*] 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed[*] 28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.5% DamageBuff(All)[*] 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing), 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative), 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)[/list][u]Performance Shifter[u]
(Stamina)<ul type="square">[*] 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed[*] 28.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Battle Agility)<ul type="square">[*] 10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 16.9 HP (1.13%) HitPoints[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Aegis[u]
(Tough)<ul type="square">[*] 5% RunSpeed[*] 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)[/list][u]Red Fortune[u]
(Weave)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%[*] 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 2% DamageBuff(All)[/list][u]Gift of the Ancients[u]
(Weave)<ul type="square">[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[/list][u]Cleaving Blow[u]
(Foot Stomp)<ul type="square">[*] 1% (0.02 End/sec) Recovery[*] 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)[/list][u]Scirocco's Dervish[u]
(Foot Stomp)<ul type="square">[*] 10% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration[/list][u]Obliteration[u]
(Shield Charge)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Stun) 2.2%[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Combat Jumping)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[*] 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Combat Jumping)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Thunderstrike[u]
(Gloom)<ul type="square">[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)[*] 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 4% RunSpeed, 4% FlySpeed, 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight[*] 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Ragnarok[u]
(Dark Obliteration)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Phalanx Fighting)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Grant Cover)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list]

At 39 you could throw an extra slot into Stamina for the Performance Shifter: Chance for +End proc. I've got one in my WM/Shield (also a big end hog) and it seems to help quite a bit. How do you have your attacks slotted? I would have at least 2 end reducers in each one. Nice thing about having Rage is you can give up some accuracy, but I would also give up some damage or recharge if necessary. 1 Acc/2 End Redux/1 Rech/2 Dmg worked pretty well for my SS/Dark Brute before I got into IO's for him.

The other option is to start IO'ing him out before 50 as the sets usually have good end redux built in, keeping in mind the reduced need for accuracy. You're right about the level that I start down the IO route for my characters. Lower 40's IOs are often significantly cheaper to buy and craft, with minimal differences in performance.

Mine is 40 and does fine... almost. But I frankenslotted everything for end reduction. IOs are really wonderful for that matter, and you can achieve all this for pretty cheap, by only taking parts of different sets... the cheaper ones.

Finally each attack has like 20% acc 80%+ dmg, 80%+ end red, and like 30-50% rech, toggles are 4 def/end IOs too. And it works.

You don't need alot of acc in the attacks because of rage (overpowered ?) 20% tohit bonus. So use some dmg/end, dmg/end/rech from different sets, and maybe one acc/dmg/end or acc/dmg and you're fine.

The massive end suckers are Footstomp and KO Blow, so if you want to give it a try start with those ones I'd say.

I have a SS/Shield that is 35, so far the only end problems I had was pre-20 before I got stamina. This was one of my project characters, I did every mission from every contact so far, often turning off my xp or meeting the bare requirements of the mission to complete it. I was able to buy a miracle +rec with merits at 24 I believe from all the story arc's completed. I slot sets at level 30 using level 33's so I have a lot of +recovery set bonuses that are available to me for the rest of my career and even when I exemp down to 30. So, my suggestion would be to slot sets that give you either +end or +recovery as your funds allow. If you want to change your build at 50 you still can or use the dual build feature to make a 50 build.

SS/DA &gt;.&gt;

In short bursts SS/SD will do really well, but for long fights where you want a constant attack chain of KOB, gloom, HM, punch with footstomp, stacked rage, and hasten, you're going run out of end really fast even with massive end/+recovery IO slotting. It will also be a lot more difficult to reach soft capped defense if you go that route.

Here is a build I use for my brute and I have no end problems, unless its a long drawn out fight, but that rarely happens. It is a costly build, but thats how I normally build my characters.

Also:

The empty slot in Health, I used the Panacea Proc
The empty slot in Tough, I used the Gladiator Armor +3% Defense proc

You could totally get by without using these 2 procs, I just went overboard and used them anyway, it really make a difference


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Phalanx Commander: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:33(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:33(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:33(19), T'Death-Dam%:33(31), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:33(37), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:33(46)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:33(A), LkGmblr-Def:33(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:33(5)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:33(A), LkGmblr-Def:33(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:33(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:33(17)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Heal:33(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:33(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg:33(7), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg:33(40), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:33(40), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:33(43)
Level 6: Haymaker -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:33(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:33(7), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:33(17), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:33(42), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:33(42), T'Death-Dam%:33(43)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:33(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:33(9), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:33(9), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:33(34), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:33(42), T'Death-Dam%:33(43)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I:35(A), RechRdx-I:35(11)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:33(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:33(13), Zephyr-ResKB:33(13)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:33(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:33(15), Zephyr-ResKB:33(15)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:35(A)
Level 18: Hurdle -- Jump-I:35(A)
Level 20: Health -- Numna-Heal:33(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:33(21), Numna-Heal/Rchg:33(21), Mrcl-Rcvry+:33(40), RgnTis-Regen+:30(48), Empty(48)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:33(A), P'Shift-EndMod:33(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:33(23), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg:33(29), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:33(48), P'Shift-End%:33(50)
Level 24: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit:33(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:33(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:33(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:33(29), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:33(39), GSFC-Build%:33(46)
Level 26: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:33(A), LkGmblr-Def:33(27), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:33(27)
Level 28: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(31), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(31), Empty(34)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg:33(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:33(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:33(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:33(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:33(37), Oblit-%Dam:33(37)
Level 38: Weave -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+:33(39)
Level 41: Gloom -- HO:Nucle(A)
Level 44: Dark Obliteration -- Ragnrk-Dmg:50(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(45), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 47: Grant Cover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:33(A)
Level 49: Recall Friend -- Zephyr-Travel:33(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:33(50), Zephyr-ResKB:33(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 15.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 15.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 11.8% Defense(Smashing)
• 11.8% Defense(Lethal)
• 10.5% Defense(Fire)
• 10.5% Defense(Cold)
• 10.8% Defense(Energy)
• 10.8% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 20.5% Defense(Melee)
• 18.6% Defense(Ranged)
• 18% Defense(AoE)
• 62.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 48% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 6% Enhancement(Heal)
• 10% FlySpeed
• 230.5 HP (15.4%) HitPoints
• 10% JumpHeight
• 10% JumpSpeed
• Knockback (Mag -12)
• Knockup (Mag -12)
• MezResist(Held) 11.6%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 8.25%
• MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
• 13% (0.22 End/sec) Recovery
• 54% (3.38 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 5.04% Resistance(Fire)
• 5.04% Resistance(Cold)
• 10% RunSpeed

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Double-slot endredux in attacks until you get IO sets.

Don't spam footstomp on small packs- it's the biggest culpret of end munching, and unless you're next-deep in mobs you don't need to be throwing it every ten seconds. If you MUST spam it, slot if for endreudux over damage until you get a set in there and let Rage + Fury do all the boosting you need. Likewise, don't burn KO Blow on weak mobs that'll die anyways to a weak attack chain- this'll also help keep Fury up, which in turn will help you kill mobs faster for less end.

Toggle management might be a dirty word around here, but it definately helps since SD's toggles don't come cheap- turn off Deflection and Battle Agility when the next pack isn't in tabbing range. (Against All Odds roots on activation, so let it keep running).

Don't be afraid to gobble blues, especially on larger teams. Inspirations drop frequently and with combining you can usually get more when you need them. Bruiting in general tought me to pay the occasional visit to the inspiration stores to refill my pockets with Blues, Greens, and Purples to let me keep going at full tilt- unlocking a contact in each zone can save you a lot of grief later when you need to fill that tray.

I'm sorry. I miscounted. I thought there were 6 Armageddons slotted in Foot Stomp.

*EDIT* Please try to keep the numbers small and easier to understand next time.

IMO Foot Stomp deserves 6 slots. Having 2 procs in it is simply awesome (Armageddon and Force Feedback).

I'm speaking from my in game experience, the difference is there on my SS/Fire who's a damage machine. The Force Feedback proc usually goes off every 2-3 Foot Stomps which brings the recharge down to 4.5 seconds and the Armaggedon always hits atleast a few every FS which is 107 extra fire damage.

If you just sit spamming Foot Stomp in big mobs, you'll see the difference.

What do you do in the 37 seconds between Shield Charges?

You only have one additional AoE and like Smurphy said you're surely not using it every mob. For the most part, you should still be using Foot Stomp whenever it's up. It's your best AoE afterall.

Yeah, lets focus on helping out the guy with the question...I have seen plenty of BC's builds around on Pinn...he is a more than accomplished builder in terms of his slotting....his play style dictates his builds...its preference if we are bickering over 1-2 individual IO's

To the OP:
Start at post 19.

( I haven't figured out how to get the whole thread from post 23 on. )

Basically if you slot [for instance] three Dam/End from different sets, you get the equivalent of 2 damage, 2 endurance, in 3 slots. And you can use, in most cases, any level that's available in cheap-bag sets like Focused Smite, Detonation, Serendipity, etc.

Having frankenslotted a Spine/Dark and very nearly solved my entire endurance problem at less than 100K per slot, I suspect that you'll be able to solve most of your problems for nearly that low a price.

SS/SR is the end hog of all end hogs sodon't be trying to give SS/Shield false props :P