[ QUOTE ]
Couldnt you burn a few respecs (free, vet, patron, paid-for) and strip all your expensive enhancements out so you can make something else permadom? That's what I'd do.
Lewis
[/ QUOTE ]
I'm in the process of it, still need to get more respecs to finish unslotting. Before i15 I had no respecs available because I went through so many build changes, then I burned the freespec on the new build.
So, I put what I could in my Mind/Fire, which was already Permadom, but missing some sets.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well, to be on a different take on this, somewhat, my experience pre-i15's Dom buff was shaky except with my Plant/Psi. I'm not sure pre-i15 if I just wasn't skilled enough in my attempts to really understand Dominator's capabilities.
That being said, my Plant/Psi was a ton of fun, got her to level 26. However, I've only pulled her out a few times now and the increase on the recharge of the psi powers makes me sad. I enjoyed the shorter recharge times of the psi powers compared to the other power sets. Since the recharge times have increased, I've found myself at a somewhat loss with her. I'm happy to have an overall damage boost to the AT, but when I triggered Domination, it felt great. Quick attacks with higher damage and harder controls? She was a blast! Now, I just feel somewhat blah'd by the whole thing and wonder if I'll be able to get back into her. Might just take me time to get back to that spot.
So yes, happy in the overall spectrum of things, just saddened by the higher recharge values for Psi Assault.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, but now Domination can be saved to be used for what it's meant.... to hold the hard targets.
Before it was used when available by myself because I couldn't stand the pew-pew low damage.
Now I actually feel like I can contend in DPS without needing to pop Domination and get tons of IO global rech.
[/ QUOTE ]
I find I need domination to pop asap for the endurance now. I'm not convinced that is so much better than needing it for the extra damage before.
Neither dominator state has provided an environment where I felt encouraged, or even able, to use domination for its main purpose - increased control.
Also recharge is just as important as before. In some cases more important.
[ QUOTE ]
Op? Are you really feeling like a God or did you just get another year of play experience before trying to tackle playinga dom? Chew on THAT thought. 
[/ QUOTE ]
QFT. I've revisited some old combos that I tried early in the game and struggled with since gaining a heap more experience and they are much better now.
Even sets that have actually been nerfed (like traps). So it is certainly possible, even probably imo, that increased personal ability is the main contributor in many cases.
Or, it could be the changes. Of course, your opinion is swayed by your positon on the fence, same with me. 
I ask those who call it a nerf to back it up with numbers.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well, to be on a different take on this, somewhat, my experience pre-i15's Dom buff was shaky except with my Plant/Psi. I'm not sure pre-i15 if I just wasn't skilled enough in my attempts to really understand Dominator's capabilities.
That being said, my Plant/Psi was a ton of fun, got her to level 26. However, I've only pulled her out a few times now and the increase on the recharge of the psi powers makes me sad. I enjoyed the shorter recharge times of the psi powers compared to the other power sets. Since the recharge times have increased, I've found myself at a somewhat loss with her. I'm happy to have an overall damage boost to the AT, but when I triggered Domination, it felt great. Quick attacks with higher damage and harder controls? She was a blast! Now, I just feel somewhat blah'd by the whole thing and wonder if I'll be able to get back into her. Might just take me time to get back to that spot.
So yes, happy in the overall spectrum of things, just saddened by the higher recharge values for Psi Assault.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, but now Domination can be saved to be used for what it's meant.... to hold the hard targets.
Before it was used when available by myself because I couldn't stand the pew-pew low damage.
Now I actually feel like I can contend in DPS without needing to pop Domination and get tons of IO global rech.
[/ QUOTE ]
I find I need domination to pop asap for the endurance now. I'm not convinced that is so much better than needing it for the extra damage before.
Neither dominator state has provided an environment where I felt encouraged, or even able, to use domination for its main purpose - increased control.
Also recharge is just as important as before. In some cases more important.
[/ QUOTE ]
With what level characters are you finding you need domination for endurance? Pre-stamina I do certainly end up using it that way although in the high teens after I have my attacks slotted up with a reasonable amount of damage I can pace things out so that I can combine the end boost with the domination effect for the boss at the end of a mission. However I don't have any MORE end problems then most of the brutes I have levelled up through the teens and less in many cases - on the low level stamina usage I would grade the dom's I have tried so far as about equal to my stalkers, better than my brutes but not as good as my masterminds (except for my /storm MM - he used a LOT of end pre stamina).
Post stamina, however, I find I hardly ever need it - my L29 mind/electric dom almost NEVER touches her blue bar and my L29 plant/fire dom does dip down a bit - but she has consume now and that tends to take care of end problems. I expect once I get terrify and static discharge slotted up a bit more so I can use them more freqenly my mind/elec will actually dent her blue bar a bit but right now I don't even notice it. I do frankenslot all my attacks to get a reasonable amount of end reduction - but at this level I generally have only 20%-36% depending on exact slotting.
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
[ QUOTE ]
Most likely the fire/psi permadom farmers are still crying. Oh well.
[/ QUOTE ]
Nah I do what I always do, bring a kin, works everytime =p
[ QUOTE ]
I ask those who call it a nerf to back it up with numbers.
[/ QUOTE ]
Been there and done that. Your searchfoo is weak ,padawon.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well, to be on a different take on this, somewhat, my experience pre-i15's Dom buff was shaky except with my Plant/Psi. I'm not sure pre-i15 if I just wasn't skilled enough in my attempts to really understand Dominator's capabilities.
That being said, my Plant/Psi was a ton of fun, got her to level 26. However, I've only pulled her out a few times now and the increase on the recharge of the psi powers makes me sad. I enjoyed the shorter recharge times of the psi powers compared to the other power sets. Since the recharge times have increased, I've found myself at a somewhat loss with her. I'm happy to have an overall damage boost to the AT, but when I triggered Domination, it felt great. Quick attacks with higher damage and harder controls? She was a blast! Now, I just feel somewhat blah'd by the whole thing and wonder if I'll be able to get back into her. Might just take me time to get back to that spot.
So yes, happy in the overall spectrum of things, just saddened by the higher recharge values for Psi Assault.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, but now Domination can be saved to be used for what it's meant.... to hold the hard targets.
Before it was used when available by myself because I couldn't stand the pew-pew low damage.
Now I actually feel like I can contend in DPS without needing to pop Domination and get tons of IO global rech.
[/ QUOTE ]
I find I need domination to pop asap for the endurance now. I'm not convinced that is so much better than needing it for the extra damage before.
Neither dominator state has provided an environment where I felt encouraged, or even able, to use domination for its main purpose - increased control.
Also recharge is just as important as before. In some cases more important.
[/ QUOTE ]
With what level characters are you finding you need domination for endurance? Pre-stamina I do certainly end up using it that way although in the high teens after I have my attacks slotted up with a reasonable amount of damage I can pace things out so that I can combine the end boost with the domination effect for the boss at the end of a mission. However I don't have any MORE end problems then most of the brutes I have levelled up through the teens and less in many cases - on the low level stamina usage I would grade the dom's I have tried so far as about equal to my stalkers, better than my brutes but not as good as my masterminds (except for my /storm MM - he used a LOT of end pre stamina).
Post stamina, however, I find I hardly ever need it - my L29 mind/electric dom almost NEVER touches her blue bar and my L29 plant/fire dom does dip down a bit - but she has consume now and that tends to take care of end problems. I expect once I get terrify and static discharge slotted up a bit more so I can use them more freqenly my mind/elec will actually dent her blue bar a bit but right now I don't even notice it. I do frankenslot all my attacks to get a reasonable amount of end reduction - but at this level I generally have only 20%-36% depending on exact slotting.
[/ QUOTE ]
every level I've tried them at now. Pre stam, Post stam, and even my perma dom dirt/fire.
I know that if I slot for more end reduction I can resolve the issue, but at the same time I need more recharge slotting to compensate for the longer base recharges, or else stare at recharging powers while I do nothing, or at best something close to nothing.
Right now the 3 doms I've tried post changes are just a shade better than my experiences leveling my fire/storm troller, which is the most endurance hungry toon I've ever played and pretty much "sucked" until I had stamina+miracle+numi+perf proc.
I'm honestly watching the grey button waiting for it to light up so I can keep fighting without requiring rest.
I don't find it "worse" than old domination, just different. I like the old dynamic playstyle they had, so I'm hard pressed to say I like the new way "better".
Old or new, I used it for the damage and now I use it for the endurance. I hate running out of endurance it is something I can't tolerate after about lvl 30. I also hate standing around and doing nothing waiting on powers to cycle. I'm not sure how to solve my current issues with dominators short of through hundreds of millions, even over a billion inf at them. At which point I'm forced to ask myself, what's changed?
[ QUOTE ]
Or, it could be the changes. Of course, your opinion is swayed by your positon on the fence, same with me.
[/ QUOTE ]
It could be due to a number of factors. Off the top of my head:
actually better
better player now
told to expect it from the devs
heard it around town
I tend to believe that our perceptions govern reality more than reality governs our perceptions.
My beliefs heavily impact how I think, no denying that 
Because of the new changes I decided to start a fresh dom. Gravity/Ice, and I have to say I am seriously impressed thus far. I used to save Domination on teams for control, and when soloing to fill up my blue bar really (which didn't happen often). After the dom changes I still use the same approach, but the difference for me is that the damage outside of domination is greater. As it has been said before the people that used domination sparingly are better off with the new dom changes. Those that used domination aggressively are most likely experiencing a lesser state.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I ask those who call it a nerf to back it up with numbers.
[/ QUOTE ]
Been there and done that. Your searchfoo is weak ,padawon.
[/ QUOTE ]
I was here in the topic where Catle announced it, and the numbers demonstrated that it would take double stacked dom to beat what you get by default in i15. And buffs such as insp have greater power and can be stacked much higher in i15.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not sure how to solve my current issues with dominators short of through hundreds of millions, even over a billion inf at them. At which point I'm forced to ask myself, what's changed?
[/ QUOTE ]
I do have to agree that the endurance costs seem more. I do kill quicker. Overall it is ok. I do find the changes frustrating on any of my Fire Dominators who actually run hot feet. I pretty much turn it off now. The ones who dont run hot feet yet, I'm getting by and enjoying more.
Since I do a lot of level 50 content with my 50 Fire/Thorns, I may look into farming some to purchase a Miracle and a Numina. I think she needs it if I want to run Hot Feet and not restrain myself on my attacks. Of course, I could simply avoid running hot feet, but I prefer to run Hot Feet. (She currently only has Stamina + about 15% recovery from set bonuses).
My non-Hot Feet doms are decidedly better, despite the end costs. I do like the changes, but I almost wish they would have left the recharge and end costs alone and simply factored in as much damage as they'd be willing to add in with recharge and end cost unchanged.
Oh well. I certainly like my /Energy Doms more (my Fire/Energy doesnt run hot feet at all, so she is OK).
Lewis
Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
Hmm, I don't see it folks. Maybe I am playing more single target focused, maybe I just am satisfied with a slightly slower kill speed (although the reason i haven't seriously played dominators up till now was because I couldn't stand thier kill speed) but I don't see the end problems most of you are complaining about. I do frankenslot but I don't spend a lot on it.
The two dominators I am seriously working on are a plant/fire and a mind/electric. I run my plant/fire at diffuclty Level 2 and will move her up to level 4 when I get enough global accuracy to handle the +2 mobs. My mind/electric runs on difficulty level 3 as she is still mostly single target focused and has enough attacks I could focus more on accuracy then on recharge. I am zooming through missions at a speed that keeps me quite happy - and to put that in perspective up till now the only things that soloed fast enough to keep me happy where brutes, scrappers, masterminds and stalkers after the last changes. Oh - and illusion controllers. I can't stand defenders or tanks (way to slow) and corruptors are about 50/50 with me - I can play some but not others. Both are L29 - here are data chunks if folks want to look at my builds:
Astral Sylph - L29 Mind/electric dominator
<font class="small">Code:[/color]<hr /><pre>| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MxDz;1147;554;1108;HEX;|
|78DAA5924B6B13511886CF6492A6C9249DA4B16D5A7B4953B B50316B2F682D49844|
|20395222D5A0CD374680E8C3321735AEC4A372E84AE54DCF9 47742B22E2D65F202A|
|A2B876377E97938490EE3C90E73DF3CEFB5D02D3785CCB08F 1744D1876D573C2B05|
|90B1E49DF514137D1700E654B2485108B7DB3590D7CD50DBC 4A43FA07BD874B83D7|
|EB61E81C79AA52F7DC96EACA965427CD86E3CBCE91E72819F 8F90DBFED765D5F557|
|A97F45600EDB63BAE7B90A1EB1DA97C370C2D7EF0E4615BE5 E9BEE11FCB50EE4B0F|
|9A96EA1DD9AA0CE66EBAC7D2516DC78769A172BB274558FB2 2FC6E9A429F282E5E8|
|014C5C43392DC29C9F4139657245F6323F1D84B923807D21C CF3C27B905DD0D1D37|
|CE8A8FBFE63857AD419CF78962E6BE41CBEC91E47649BEC1F 884EE97E07E63DC6F6|
|CA89FDEE236344B72DC48FEA60E937F48CA60A7F88D485D06 591009B02C832DEB0A|
|5929B0B23A95FD4BD60FD8C0D62D6D2E9C64494238AFEBF31 7C81A07ABC056AC502|
|2EBDC90581098D203A656C85A879D67F45F9C794FCB163FB0 7C24598EE068D6203C|
|CB6173F69381F5739F59BE902C52EC272C7D5EF7248D9B62D E1C564E32AB26D6F25|
|A0BE4D4C159D28396C8298DF03B4C29EBAA3239BFC059D5CE 2A39D119673EDEFFA6|
|0405C4E688B315EF7F48C220A73CC8FCD7799BE9F549DD4D0 3B711F7103B885DC47|
|DC403C41EE221A28988DEF5ABEDABB8D035C475C40DC42986 9216C042641059C404|
|C246E41005C434620EF10611FD03688A24D1|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|</pre><hr />
Argent Rose - L29 plant/fire dominator
<font class="small">Code:[/color]<hr /><pre>| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MxDz;1289;612;1224;HEX;|
|78DAA593CD6BD3601CC79F34E9D23669D3AE5B6DB7CE6A756 E631076F4E520B2395|
|F58A56388E2C412B6D0066A5A9A0CF4E645449C9729DEFC03 443CE851FF0FFD0FF4|
|A2E2459C8AC4DFCBD3AED8A3A1FD7C93EFF37B7B9AA7B53B2 BA610F7CE0AC55A6E3|
|B41D058E9DCF67C27ECF4E235A7E96D095D085119988DE58E 1FF63A6DBBDE76FCB0|
|FF34B47E2E089C9D7668AF7A6EEF6EFF2977C96FB93DD70FE DFE4DAADE81221B5DD|
|7DD36E976D50B7D37080C7E687BCD5668D1FD9AEB6CBBBDA0 E5754BE7BBDE967DD0|
|AAB6D3A83941087D8A30E3027C2FA8425E912A9A8A103362E 2434C889228BC27296|
|F2A28DF6383B8B8D803298AD843962724DA5392EC3392B908 2E71118A2B9C1453EE|
|2BB830FE80658FE40754E501224D7DC1755E918CBD6679499 2784352855F36CEE12|
|29E03D1547119F2755942FF4C55135F4952DF583E9264BF90 EC43C7A40C4FF23E4C|
|DE87C9FBC8F03E32BC8F38943614EE68E4B96312BCB49C22B D4F613FA1AAC59662C|
|9C10A527508CFC912B9147B09F0F2ECC5F263EC4D483D4A3F 9D011193B2C9649257|
|7E419743727652F08AAA54319C7D9C5853F1CDF13B2BC969A 6FED1B2CC3F4C19CCD|
|FD0679A5E5CA44D8BE1F5E1EACC711D8F0CCF3943CE15A858 9127AA42CE9111E621|
|AB2A63AAE41C1BE11F9862564E3F4BCE8911CE0D7117FACEC B9AF3E42C8CF031C42|
|CCA6917C979048ECD7B1536399FE0CFBD246396C8296B83B3 0F1F74D6469CBA3638|
|EA4221A77A10F35FD75BB35F27B98EC767037115710D711D7 103B189B889B885682|
|0A277836CEB240E740A711A7106B18B41BA01301026228DC8 202C44169147141053|
|88E788E82FB1246120|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|</pre><hr />
For both characters any powers/slots that don't actually have enhancments are not yet taken (planning for the future). I don't have any good IO sets in any of them yet although perplex actually gives Argent a couple of decent bonuses, but I slotted it mainly for the enhancment. As you can see I have about 20% end discount in most attacks and and about 20% recharge. I have fairly solid attack chains on Astral since 2 of her controls (mesmerize and levitate) are also good attacks however even Argent attacks fast enough to plow through missions at a decent rate. As I noted in a previous post Astral sylph barely dents her end bar unless I have to use hasten - which is only when I run into an unexpected boss and domination isn't up. Argent does burn a bit more end as she uses a lot of area control (and uses hasten in every mission to push up the recharge on carrion creepers - love that power) but even then I don't have any more end problems than my fire/dark corruptor does and she kills almost as fast - and a lot more safely.
So either I have way lower expectations or I am missing something here.
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
i'm playing grav/electric and it's fine, I'm not taking melee powers though b/c I don't really like the blapper feel of the attack set, gonna round out my powers with Mu Mastery and have two guardians, plus an energy form, plus a boatload of control and AoE damage powers
and domination charges perfectly fine to pop at the right time sure I may need one or two blues once in a while but usually I get dom up just as I need it and I'm at lvl 5 now? I don't see your issues and I'm cycling through my attack chain consistently, with minimum enhancements
QR
I've been running my now 40 Earth/Fire Dom at the 4th difficulty without many problems; endurance or otherwise. I still think Combustion got the short end of the stick but once I pick up Water Spout I might be a little less butthurt.
Overall, I greatly enjoy the changes and I'm only slotted with level 35 Common IOs. Not one single Set or Unique IO present. I doubt I'll try for a perma-dom since I don't have the patience and altitis lures me away at every opportunity, but I am going to take a look at frankenslotting.
Lastly, I don't feel like a god at all. I noticed that straying from my controls and focusing on my assault powers can cause a fight to turn against me very quickly due to the squishy nature of the AT. It's so very fun to ride on the seat of defeat and come out the victor
[ QUOTE ]
Hmm, I don't see it folks.
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The two dominators I am seriously working on are a plant/fire and a mind/electric.
[/ QUOTE ]
Again, I only personally really have an issue on it with Dominators that run Hot Feet. I can no longer easily sustain it.
I have a level 42 or so Plant/Fire and a level 26 or so Mind/Electric and I dont have end problems on them either. They dont run hot feet (obviously) so they are fine.
I am somewhat concerned my Ice/Psy will have issues running AA and attacking full out also, but I havent checked.
Lewis
Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
I actually find the end problem resolvable with stamina..and some creative IO slotting. The funny thing making doms more end hungry has perma-dom even more desirable then before.
Its still a bit odd to go from having "no end issues" at all to having to rest between every battle. Especially at low level. The damage trade off is worth it though..but if you've had your dom for awhile re-slotting is a necessity. Its a pain but not insurmountable. But then how many people had multiple high-level villains pre AE? I'm guessing not many. How many had multiple dominators 30+? Even fewer. So yes you'll find hardcore dom players complaining and feeling "nerfed" because they have to adjust play-styles and slotting for toons they've had for years (leveled up the "hard way" I might add). But we're such a small fraction of a small minority (high level villain players) nobody really cares. . Newer players will be thrilled because they don't have old builds to adjust; never experienced /Electric Assault as it was before (or fire for that matter); or the AoE goodness of PSW (which still aint bad). Those players will be confused by vets who grumble about the changes. Doms will seem improved to them..well in fact they are improved but the whole AT has been fundamentally altered. It will die down..until someone comes in and decides doms are now overpowered and starts nerfing the control set powers for us.
My level 50 Dominators:
Madame Mindbender 50 Mind/Energy
Fly Agaric 50 Plant/Thorn
Nate Nitro 50 Fire/Psi
[ QUOTE ]
How many had multiple dominators 30+? Even fewer.
[/ QUOTE ]
I had 8 dominators from 35-50 meeting your condition. Not that it matters.
I'm just chiming in. Lunch break time. Gotta do something!
Lewis
Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan
[ QUOTE ]
With that said, I have stopped playing my Fire/Psi Permadom since the changes. I changed the build and adjusted my playstyle, but I just don't find it fun to play anymore. My AoE damage pales in comparison to before while my ST damage pretty much stayed the same.
[/ QUOTE ]
Couldnt you burn a few respecs (free, vet, patron, paid-for) and strip all your expensive enhancements out so you can make something else permadom? That's what I'd do.
Lewis
Random AT Generation!
"I remember... the Alamo." -- Pee-wee Herman
"Oh don't worry. I always leave things to the last moment." -- The Doctor
"Telescopes are time machines." -- Carl Sagan