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No one here is going to tell you that MA or /SR sucks and that you not making the best combo. All Scrapper Combo are good some better at some thing, but all still good.
As for /SR yes people still take it. It is still a good set and it is a lot easier to soft capped the /SD. Just because you don't see it as much because /SD is the New thing, it is still played.
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*/SR is actually an excellent performer though it doesn't see as much play from the average player simply because it takes a while to fully blossom and requires a lot of power selections to do so. It only gets better with IOs.
The only reason I can possibly imagine as to why there would be fewer */SR toons about would be that we've got */Shield, which, when kitted out with a decent IO build, is actually quite similar to */SR with the exception that it's got more hit points, more resistance, and more damage, though the expense is actually much more significant. That, and it's new.
A Dark/SR scrapper was the character I rolled at the launch of i14. Got that one to 50 a couple weeks ago.
My unscientific impression is that SR takes a long time to get good (and does not exemp down well, either), but as for pure safety it is probably superior to anything else in the late game. I also needed all three endurance uniques and procs to enjoy the character, but that's just me.
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To be honest SR is a lousy set leveling up. The def the set alone gives doesn't seem to offer a lot of mitigation imo, it felt like it was kind of end hungry like heraclea mentioned, and the status resist is a click which can be annoying in that it interrupts attack flow. Even end game, without IO's, it's not that great, as basically, all it offers is defense, and to get high enough defense to really be effective, you have to take pretty much all of the powers leaving little room for variety in builds. Having said that, IO's saved the set and made it one of the favorites among end-game scrappers. The reason being, it can be softcapped very easily and cheaply, and once softcapped, the set does what a scrapper secondary is supposed to do - it keeps you alive, and it does it very, very well. Even then, this can be achieved with other competing sets (albeit more expensively), and these other sets offer more 'extras' outside of the capped defense. Having said that, to get these competing sets soft-capped is expensive, and can be tricky in regards to slotting.
And as umbral pointed out, SR is old, and there are several new shiny sets people have been playing with. But really, these new sets level up easier and better, while having the potential to be more powerful at the top end.
Simple answer: Take everything on SR, skip nothing. They are all parts of a whole that eventually add up to something great.
Slightly more complex answer: If you plan on IO'ing to get softcapped defense during normal play (eg. not PvP, challenge AE arcs, other scrapper challenges), then Elude could be skipped.
/SR is still a great set. Still lots of /SR scrappers out there.
/SR was my set of choice, hands down, until /SD came out. These days, my choice between those two depends on character concept, rather than viability. They're both great sets.
/SR isn't the new shiny.
/SR is a late bloomer, and some people don't like to wait for the awesome... but it *is* awesome, once it gets settled in.
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Lord knows I love my MA/SR Scrapper. He was my first 50 way back in the day, is softcapped, and is nigh unkillable. But, with the advent of Shields would there be a reason to take SR instead, outside of cost to softcap, or if you run ITFs daily (better def debuff protection in SR)?
Certainly there would be concept reasons, or if you want to play Claws, Katana, or Dual Blades. But generally speaking both mature pretty late, both require most if not all of the set to be taken, both are pretty end intensive, while Shield gets some moderate resists and +HP. Not to mention Shield Charge is the sexiest thing ever.
Now the casual player probably doesn't even think about cost to softcap and such, so a more likely reason why you don't see them is Willpower and Shields still being the new(er) shiney.
My main beef with the set is how much effort and build sacrifice it takes to feel like it's performing at an acceptable level. Out of the box, the set feels inadequate to me, even after you take every single power. So then you have to start taking *extra* powers and buying IOs to get the defense up, at which point it becomes good - but getting there takes 40-ish levels and way too many of your power choices. I like actually being able to take the primary and pool powers I *want*, rather than the ones my secondary makes me take, and I like actually feeling like I have a secondary before the late 20s/mid 30s. As soon as ninjitsu comes to scrappers, I'm dropping SR like a hot rock and never looking back. I just wish we had gotten ninjitsu this round instead of lolelectricarmor.
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Ninjitsu is an awesome set, BUT it screams for the devs to leave some sets specific to at/class. Think about it... ninjitsu scrapper... to me that just doesn't seem to fit. Ninjas don't scrap, they sneak around, strike, then haul [censored]/run. But don't worry, the devs clearly don't agree, as they are giving broadsword to stalkers... lol. Yeah, real easy to be stealthy lugging around a broadsword...
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Ninjitsu is an awesome set, BUT it screams for the devs to leave some sets specific to at/class. Think about it... ninjitsu scrapper... to me that just doesn't seem to fit. Ninjas don't scrap, they sneak around, strike, then haul [censored]/run. But don't worry, the devs clearly don't agree, as they are giving broadsword to stalkers... lol. Yeah, real easy to be stealthy lugging around a broadsword...
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You obviously haven't looked at some of the weapon skins that Broadsword has. You're only thinking of the LEgacy Skin.
Let me see...
*sneak up behind target with what looks to be just a hilt to the sword in hand*
*Position hilt as about to stab the victim*
*Flip the switch*
SWOOOZZZAAAPPPT
*Victim finds glowing blade stick out the front of their chest*
TALASORIAN BS FOR THE WIN! 
Not to mention the other much smaller BS weapon skins.
Broadsword is just the name of the category now. That's it.
Hell, one of the weapon skins for BS is a Katana. 
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My main beef with the set is how much effort and build sacrifice it takes to feel like it's performing at an acceptable level. Out of the box, the set feels inadequate to me, even after you take every single power. So then you have to start taking *extra* powers and buying IOs to get the defense up, at which point it becomes good - but getting there takes 40-ish levels and way too many of your power choices. I like actually being able to take the primary and pool powers I *want*, rather than the ones my secondary makes me take, and I like actually feeling like I have a secondary before the late 20s/mid 30s. As soon as ninjitsu comes to scrappers, I'm dropping SR like a hot rock and never looking back. I just wish we had gotten ninjitsu this round instead of lolelectricarmor.
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It takes alot more IOs to get Ninjitsu to hit the defense softcap than SR.
Not saying I don't want Ninjitsu for Scrappers (I think Scrappers/Stalkers should have Ninjitsu and Brutes/Tankers should have Stone Armor exclusively).
Not to mention, if you do pick the powers in the right order, grab some IOs, you can have softcapped defenses at lvl 35 (well 36 for slots, but at 35 for exemping purposes) on a SR scrapper (softcapped melee/ranged before 35)...as it is with all sets, it takes personal choices and choices in what you want in the build.
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Ninjitsu is an awesome set, BUT it screams for the devs to leave some sets specific to at/class. Think about it... ninjitsu scrapper... to me that just doesn't seem to fit. Ninjas don't scrap, they sneak around, strike, then haul [censored]/run. But don't worry, the devs clearly don't agree, as they are giving broadsword to stalkers... lol. Yeah, real easy to be stealthy lugging around a broadsword...
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You obviously haven't looked at some of the weapon skins that Broadsword has. You're only thinking of the LEgacy Skin.
Let me see...
*sneak up behind target with what looks to be just a hilt to the sword in hand*
*Position hilt as about to stab the victim*
*Flip the switch*
SWOOOZZZAAAPPPT
*Victim finds glowing blade stick out the front of their chest*
TALASORIAN BS FOR THE WIN!
Not to mention the other much smaller BS weapon skins.
Broadsword is just the name of the category now. That's it.
Hell, one of the weapon skins for BS is a Katana.
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True maybe they need to rename the set now that you can skin it with lots of weapons that are definitely not broadswords, lol.
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SR scrappers are everywhere in Freedom. Since my return (one week) I've seen more of them than Shielders. In this week I've seen regen more than anything else but lots of SRs too.
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same here.
You're seeing more /SD because it's new. Remember when WP was released? Everywhere. Now it's the City of Shields. Honestly, unless I'm going for a theme, I just don't see how SR can compare to SD for my needs. Sure SR has awesome debuff resis and is much cheaper to soft cap, but SD offers more HP, resistance, damage, shield charge and even a team buff.
LOVE Super Reflexes. The only problem is, and others have mentioned it, the set is pretty late-blooming. It was a downright pain to get to 22, but once I hit SOs things got a little bit easier.
You're going to spend some time faceplanted. Until you get everything up and running, Super Reflexes is very hit-or-miss when it comes to protecting you. You don't even get your first AoE protection until 28, and won't get the "full" protection available until 35.
From that 35-50 and beyond point, however, you're going to be absolutely delighted with Super Reflexes. I didn't take Elude (but I took everything else). Instead, I spent a small amount of money on IOs and soft-capped my positional defenses to everything. I took Tough and Weave, and the resulting build was ridiculously cheap for the amount of protection I have.
It's going to be a tight build, no matter what primary. In my opinion, Elude is the ONLY skippable power in the set. If you do want to take every (or close to every) power in your primary, be aware that you may only have slots for a few choice powers otherwise. You'll be able to get to Stamina, Weave, and a travel power, but that's about it.
I love it, though. Great powerset. Easily cappable, and once it's up and running it's fast and easy. Just be aware of the few pitfalls; a mandatory (imo) 8 powers, the late-bloominess of the set, and the odd protection distribution through the levels.
So we've got one topic about SR supposedly underplayed, one other topic about Shield supposedly weak... What gives ? Is this a preview of Going Rogue, with the Praetorian version of Shield and SR being as weak and unpopular as it's strong and liked in our world ?
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My main beef with the set is how much effort and build sacrifice it takes to feel like it's performing at an acceptable level. Out of the box, the set feels inadequate to me, even after you take every single power. So then you have to start taking *extra* powers and buying IOs to get the defense up, at which point it becomes good - but getting there takes 40-ish levels and way too many of your power choices. I like actually being able to take the primary and pool powers I *want*, rather than the ones my secondary makes me take, and I like actually feeling like I have a secondary before the late 20s/mid 30s.
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Super Reflexes doesn't seem to sacrifice the rest of my build, but then I always fill my builds with pool powers that boost survivability, and they all get a Steadfast Protection IO as a minimum. So I suppose I wouldn't notice the difference. But some other sets can certainly feel stronger sooner.
In the case of my soft cap by 36 with only one IO project, there were definitely build sacrifices to get there, and once I got there, I didn't feel particularly more survivable than other characters of mine with much looser requirements. So I guess I see your point.
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Plus with the new Zephyr IOs you can soft cap without tough/weave making your build looser and less end-intensive (although I agree you feel almost like you don't have a secondary till 22 and SOs). Example:
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
I have not seen a toon with Super Reflexes for a very long time. If there are toons out there on Freedom that have SS, what powers should/can I avoid? I am playing a toon with SS for roleplaying purposes and teaming in mind and I like it. I know that there other sets that are way better, but I actual like the power set myself!
My main set is Martial Arts again for roleplaying purposes and again I KNOW there are better sets but I do like the damage it does and the the way it looks. If anyone wondered. it is a good combo imo.
Please feel free to leave any advice on builds.
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