[ QUOTE ]
The complaint is not that they are being fixed to fast. The complaint is that the abusers of them are necessitating those fast changes.
He's putting fault not in the quick reaction time towards cheaters, but straight into the laps of the cheaters.
[/ QUOTE ]
So you expect sympathy from farmers?
And on the comment about 10 minutes notice. I realize we pay to play this game 24/7. But I always am a bit puzzled by players (not just in CoH) who treat the game like it is a life-support system or is keeping airplanes in the air.
Of course there is no end-content because this is an MMO and MMO's aren't supposed to end, so there is nothing that once you accomplish it ends the game. 
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
[ QUOTE ]
Read it and giggle. 
[/ QUOTE ]
So now maniac slammers are the only enemies left in the game? But they're bugged!
I don't think anyone would argue with an unexepected server downtime for something URGENT.
Fixing farms which have been broken since the last issue isn't urgent. Yes if they brought it down the day after it went live then yes, but not this amount of time after and I don't give a fig what their user agreement says. It's very poor form, appalling customer relations. If I did that I would expect a major flare up from my clients. And I would deserve every angry word.
There is a villain accolade which you can only get by completing timed missions in sequence - one starts when you finish the last. You cannot go back and re-do it via Oro, you have to get it done right the first time. I would scream seven bells of murder if I was a badger that lost that chance because of inept communication skills of the staff of this company.
If the information could have been posted on the EU board, it should have been posted here. This isn't the first lapse of communication. The 'use your respec' now message wasn't even posted in Announcements; only the Discussion forum.
The communication is getting steadily worse. I don't know why and I don't care. I pay for this game, I pay these people and if I don't like their shoddy service I have the right to complain about it. If others are happy to accept shoddy service and disrepsectful staff then you are welcome to. But I won't. That is my right.
I like this game. And I want to play it. But I also want the company I deal with to show a bit of common courtesy. I'd expect that whether I'd dealt with a company for five minutes or fifteen years.
SAVE CoX info:
Titan Network efforts
Saving CoX events/FB info
Bag'em & tag'em anyway I say.. 
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
I don't mind the patch updates. We got booted pretty qucik this morning, but it's no huge thing to miss a few hours a day... I sort of expect one each morning, am pleased the mornings when it doesn't happen.
What makes me most happy about this go round, is I am not seeing developers making heavy-handed statements about their unhappiness with players.
If a player finds a way to get from 1 to 50 in 8 hours of play, I think that's epic. It's something that should be fixed and corrected... like, making every Mitos spawn include an equal number of Yellow, Green, and Blue Mitos, without warning... but I don't see a need for anyone to get bent out of shape because players got crafty.
[ QUOTE ]
I don't think anyone would argue with an unexepected server downtime for something URGENT.
[/ QUOTE ]
It's NOT unexpected downtime. It was downtime that happened in the normal DAILY maintenance window.
[ QUOTE ]
I don't give a fig what their user agreement says. It's very poor form, appalling customer relations. If I did that I would expect a major flare up from my clients. And I would deserve every angry word.
[/ QUOTE ]
Man, you really are spoiled you know that? They have a daily maintenance window that's open every day. For over a year they've been very good about minimizing any downtime for that maintenance to just a couple of days a week (something that NEVER used to happen) and when they actually use the window that they DID tell you about, you throw a hissy.
Maintenance is every day from 8am to 10am M-F. There may or may not be downtime. You have NO right to EXPECT that there will not be maintenance in that time period. You should absolutely EXPECT downtime in that time period. If there isn't any, you should be happy about it, not come to view it as an entitlement.
[ QUOTE ]
There is a villain accolade which you can only get by completing timed missions in sequence - one starts when you finish the last. You cannot go back and re-do it via Oro, you have to get it done right the first time. I would scream seven bells of murder if I was a badger that lost that chance because of inept communication skills of the staff of this company.
[/ QUOTE ]
Actually it wouldn't be their communication skills. It'd be your reading skills that would be at fault.
Maintenance is every day 8am to 10am. There is a possibility of downtime in that time period every day. This is understood and the expectation. If you want to run a time accolade mission, then I'd recommend doing it AFTER 10am. Do otherwise and you only have your self to blame.
The company doesn't need to inform you when it's doing something usual and expected in a scheduled outage window. It only needs to inform you for unexpected outages. Which this wasn't.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
|
[ QUOTE ]
I don't mind the patch updates. We got booted pretty qucik this morning, but it's no huge thing to miss a few hours a day... I sort of expect one each morning, am pleased the mornings when it doesn't happen.
[/ QUOTE ]
And THAT is the right attitude to have.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
|
And it looks like the patch might have more to do with the Superscience Booster than other, ahem, Mito-gating factors.
* ducks*
Whoops, just read the patch notes-- win some, lose some!
[ QUOTE ]
And it looks like the patch might have more to do with the Superscience Booster than other, ahem, Mito-gating factors.
* ducks*
Whoops, just read the patch notes-- win some, lose some!
[/ QUOTE ]
Yup.
Hafta LOL at all the people who want to blame all the ills of the world and todays patch on AE . . .
When really The biggest change today is THIS !
LOL !
.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
People in Issue 14 open beta were probably doing like me, trying to make story arcs, tweaking them, seeing how the system worked, what I could do to get around mob levels that jumped all over the place between missions and various other things. Nobody was going "right...how can I completely exploit this for my own XP rate gain..." perhaps there were a few but nobody was really being vocal about it.
[/ QUOTE ]
Before I made my own arc, I thought it was going to be more like Base Builder Deluxe, where you designed your own dungeon, and then placed your own villains at your own locations.
I thought it wouldn't take long before someone created a giant pit and crammed it with 200 non-flying, non-ranged AVs, and people would just stand at the rim and pew pew them to death. Oh the humanity!
"Hey! You knocked generic cola all over your precious D20 books!"
ED: Now I know how Nancy Kerrigan felt: "Why...?!? Why...?!?"
[ QUOTE ]
I don't think anyone would argue with an unexepected server downtime for something URGENT.
Fixing farms which have been broken since the last issue isn't urgent. Yes if they brought it down the day after it went live then yes, but not this amount of time after and I don't give a fig what their user agreement says. It's very poor form, appalling customer relations. If I did that I would expect a major flare up from my clients. And I would deserve every angry word.
[/ QUOTE ]
They can't fix it until they know about it. According to posts from people who were actually in the beta, one version of the Rikti farms was identified just before it went live, and fixed after. Then the exploiters switched to the RCO versions that we all came to know and love as the MEOW farm, that was NOT identified in beta.
And they just fixed another exploit that wasn't identified in beta.
How do you propose they should have fixed it before they even knew about it?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Everything "affects" others.
However, what they're doing is finding holes that needed to be (and would be) closed in AE anyhow.
So how does this NEGATIVELY affect you?
[/ QUOTE ]
It negativlely affects me because I can not play.
[/ QUOTE ]
Uhm. Try again?
This maintenance pushed OTHER things besides the farm fixes. It solved the exploding drone problem. It also activated the new Super Booster pack. So you wouldn't be able to play either way.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Everything "affects" others.
*
However, what they're doing is finding holes that needed to be (and would be) closed in AE anyhow.
*
So how does this NEGATIVELY affect you?
[/ QUOTE ]
It negatively affects me because I can not play.
[/ QUOTE ]
I think he got you there Hyperstrike
[/ QUOTE ]
Actually no. The maintenance fixed other things besides farming. See my post above.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
Since AE, we've had many additional Downtimes to fix "exploitive" AE farming.
[/ QUOTE ]
Please show me one maintenance update that SOLELY fixed farming issues.
Were farming fixes part of the updates? SURE! Not denying that. But other things went into those fixes as well.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If it were me, I'd rollback AE entirely until I could make sure it didn't have any exploits available, but I've never been strictly business-oriented.
[/ QUOTE ]
A few people using the MA are going to wind up overlooking exploits. Thousands of people who are obsessed with finding the maximum reward/minimum effort formula are going to find every one of those exploits and put them to use.
The best way to find exploits is to put the program into the hands of those who will diligently search for and gleefully use them.
[/ QUOTE ]
This (times infinity)
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
it wasn't just for the hamis, read the patch notes. [censored] [censored] [censored], it's what the forums are for i guess. lol
[ QUOTE ]
Well I'm complaining because the fixes should not have been necessary in the first place.
[/ QUOTE ]
Have you ever done bug testing on a piece of software? Not "I got into the beta and look at the shiny!" BUG...TESTING. If not, I question your argument.
The MA is a relatively VAST piece of software with numerous, deeply nested options.
Could 1, or 10, or even 50 players SPECIFICALLY looking for exploits have found them all? Sure! '
You willing to wait another year or two? Maybe not?
The devs and the playtesters are only human. They can't be omniscient or omnipresent. There was nothing really non-functional in the system. Therefore it shipped. Some of the options simply needed removing and nobody had gotten around to testing all the POSSIBLE exploits (and I seriously doubt anyone ever WILL find all the POSSIBLE exploits). However, several egregious ones WERE caught prior to launch. And several more have been found and patched now.
[ QUOTE ]
We are your customers. At least show us some respect by communicating with us.
[/ QUOTE ]
With some of the bile and vitriol being spewed their way these days, why the hell should they? Anything they say gets them jumped on.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If it were me, I'd rollback AE entirely until I could make sure it didn't have any exploits available, but I've never been strictly business-oriented.
[/ QUOTE ]
A few people using the MA are going to wind up overlooking exploits. Thousands of people who are obsessed with finding the maximum reward/minimum effort formula are going to find every one of those exploits and put them to use.
The best way to find exploits is to put the program into the hands of those who will diligently search for and gleefully use them.
[/ QUOTE ]
This (times infinity)
[/ QUOTE ]
Ha ha ha... as if it wasn't possible to foresee how easily exploitable AE would be. If we're supposed to pay a fee for the right to beta-test stuff, at the very least, I'd expect NCSoft to not lock/delete peoples' characters, or do you truly want to tell me the Devs were so naive to think farmers wouldn't exploit things?
I've often said right after the release of the Captain Dynamic vids that AE would be swamped with exploiters, the vids sure hinted at it and made fun of it.
Whether the Devs truly did not know the exploitation would reach the scale it did, or they simply thought they'd be able to contain the Genie in the bottle, fact is, a lot of time was spent on doing things the "wrong" way and we all pay for it one way or another so farming as a concept may be one of the pillars upon which MMOs stand, but the potential exploitation has already turned farming into a harmful habit.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
"Unexpected server downtime"
They're not responsible for your expectations.
It's clearly stated when server maintenance is. If one can't be bothered to read the fine print, one gets what one deserves.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
Mito-gating factors.
[/ QUOTE ]
3000
GAHH!
The pain! the pain!
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
Yup.
Hafta LOL at all the people who want to blame all the ills of the world and todays patch on AE . . .
When really The biggest change today is THIS !
LOL !
[/ QUOTE ]
It can be summed up in six characters consisting of three letters.
B
O
O
H
O
O
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
but the potential exploitation has already turned farming into a harmful habit.
[/ QUOTE ]
Again, fix most of the exploits, you fix the situation.
This will take time. This will not be simple, straightforward, or pretty.
And this is something that can ONLY be worked out in the live environment. Simply because the test environment simply CAN'T accommodate the number of people required to vet it pre-live.
Anyone who thought any differently (or still does) is simply naive. At best.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
[ QUOTE ]
"Unexpected server downtime"
They're not responsible for your expectations.
It's clearly stated when server maintenance is. If one can't be bothered to read the fine print, one gets what one deserves.
[/ QUOTE ]
Actually, the really fine print includes everything up to and including them waking up in the morning and deciding to pull the plug on the whole thing for good with no particular reason other than they, "felt like it."
And to head off the complaints about how evil that is, you'll find a similar clause in every online game.
"Mastermind Pets operate...differently, and aren't as easily fixed. Especially the Bruiser. I want to take him out behind the woodshed and pull an "old yeller" on him at times." - Castle
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
They should just make a button for these people that lets them immediately start at L50. No more need for farming...
Of course, no more need to play either...
People don't seem to realize that the reason for playing isn't to BE L50, but to enjoy the trip TO L50.
[/ QUOTE ]
if the game ends at 50 - is that the players fault ? 5 years and they cannot come up with end game content? You could try pvp - that keeps some of us in the game - oh wait they screwed that up....
[/ QUOTE ]
I've been playing my first level 50...at 50 for 4 1/2 years. Who says there's no end game content?
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.