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Exactly. I've noticed lately on our Apex runs that as long as one of our kins is present, we can just dogpile BM before the retreat. After the retreat is a different story, as I think the patches are doubly dangerous and there are more of them.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Towards the end of the mission, even one patch is bad news.
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I think its more like quadruple; It starts at like 50 a tick on my regen, and I think it ends around 180 a tick (and usually 2 ticks at a time).
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That could very well be. It's a nasty uptick in damage.
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Originally Posted by Gaderath
I think its more like quadruple; It starts at like 50 a tick on my regen, and I think it ends around 180 a tick (and usually 2 ticks at a time).
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I noticed the greater incoming damage but I always associated it with multiple puddles, since more come and usually are concentrated around BM, since that's where all the action is.
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I think it's both. There are more puddles and each does more damage. It's very ouchy in there.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I noticed the greater incoming damage but I always associated it with multiple puddles, since more come and usually are concentrated around BM, since that's where all the action is.
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@vanda1 and @nakoa2
Unless those were 'shard runs', they're kinda slow.
Those are slower than I run Apex's, Tin Mages and LGTF's - why would you want to nerf those people? I'd suggest, give them a speed strategy guide.
For the record, we run our STF's in 6 minutes off the ITF times shown here 0 deaths
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Wat?
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Originally Posted by slainsteel
For the record, we run our STF's in 6 minutes off the ITF times shown here 0 deaths
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Good time. With that team makeup it would go fast, but I don't think that these teams are that focused on individual builds or team makeup.
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Originally Posted by slainsteel
Unless those were 'shard runs', they're kinda slow.
Those are slower than I run Apex's, Tin Mages and LGTF's - why would you want to nerf those people? I'd suggest, give them a speed strategy guide. For the record, we run our STF's in 6 minutes off the ITF times shown here 0 deaths |
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I think he was looking at the times from July 2009 on the front page.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
Wat?
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Originally Posted by slainsteel
Those are slower than I run Apex's, Tin Mages and LGTF's - why would you want to nerf those people? I'd suggest, give them a speed strategy guide.
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Not that we never talk about ways to make it go faster, but kind of screwing around and rocking out compared to the median completion time is a lot more fun than careful planning, at least most of the time.
By the way, are you looking at recent times? An STF in 6 minutes off good, modern ITF speed runs would mean you were doing it in about 14 minutes.
Since that can't be what's going on with Apex (because it's new and you can't be looking at old times), I'm curious what your times for that are.
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I love it when people late to the party miss out on the joke and act like an ***. Congrats on the nice STF time.
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Originally Posted by slainsteel
Unless those were 'shard runs', they're kinda slow.
Those are slower than I run Apex's, Tin Mages and LGTF's - why would you want to nerf those people? I'd suggest, give them a speed strategy guide. For the record, we run our STF's in 6 minutes off the ITF times shown here 0 deaths |
Not sure why he had to go grab his crotch when he hasnt gotten below 25 minutes with a stacked team.
Speaking of apex i managed to keep a fire brute without alpha healed(pain corr) standing in a blue patch but not sure if i could keep it up when damage is increasing as i was more focused on keeping a fire/dark corr alive so we could finish the sf.
Ouch - joke's on me; didn't see the date. This is embarrassing.
Anyway, times for Apex, LGTF, Tin are 19m, 20m, 23m - haven't taken screenshots since I am not sure if these are just good times or great times. ITF has not been that fast, I think 17m is my fastest, one of our guys has run it in 14m though.
STF team wasn't any special builds - everyone was from our private speed channel; everyone on that channel has good builds, not necessarily 'team' builds. I am pretty sure everyone on that team solo's fine also.
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Tho origin of the thread was a joke on "elitists", it's just supposed to be a fun thread where people can post good times on tf's. They have also had posts in here that point to stuff like shin's speed runs on Champion, so had you posted your runs on the virtue forums they might have said hey look at these guys. |
Originally Posted by slainsteel
Ouch - joke's on me; didn't see the date. This is embarrassing.
Anyway, times for Apex, LGTF, Tin are 19m, 20m, 23m - haven't taken screenshots since I am not sure if these are just good times or great times. ITF has not been that fast, I think 17m is my fastest, one of our guys has run it in 14m though. STF team wasn't any special builds - everyone was from our private speed channel; everyone on that channel has good builds, not necessarily 'team' builds. I am pretty sure everyone on that team solo's fine also. |
Pro tip when you pop onto another server's forum don't post like an ***. Usually you will have no clue wtf the thread is really about and the dynamics of the people there.
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All he had to do was read past the first page...sheesh.
Think the last STF we did was 31.5 min (Sunday night), run whatcha brung, one person being 47, a rogue hosting it, and killing the flier and mobs before recluse. Prolly 28 min without the conditions.
ITF last night was 18.5ish, at least two people weren't 50.
Like others said, times on the front are pretty old, and while people tend to have effective stuff, the teams aren't purposely stacked.
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Its both, at the same time.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I noticed the greater incoming damage but I always associated it with multiple puddles, since more come and usually are concentrated around BM, since that's where all the action is.
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Heck, half the regulars on Justice don't know all the in-jokes.
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Its both, at the same time.
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The patches actually escalate in damage over the course of the mission. I'm not sure if it's just a binary before/after retreat, or a more continuous increase, but the initial patch is pretty easy for something with Scrapper HP to wade around in for a bit, especially if they have a level shift.
Towards the end of the mission, even one patch is bad news.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA