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The only thing that made me friends in game was that I was always determined to finish things. No matter how many times we wiped or how slow it was, we would see it through to the (bitter) end.
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You mean run to the glowie named "Mission finisher" ?
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I would love to be able to find normal functioning teams in this game anymore. I mean I used to run with teams that were perfect, Tankers would tank, controllers would hold, Scrappers would help with damage along with blasters, and defenders would heal/buff. But nowadays we get Scrappers that stand on the edge and use Shockwave and Torrent because they make for fun powers because they're knocking the mob around....
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Hey, at least they're standing on the edge--better than standing in the middle and dividing the spawn in two.
I prefer more versatile players than your golden age's teammates, people who go beyond their primary--defenders who blast, blasters who control, controllers who tank, tanks who smash, etc...
A while ago, pre-AE, I teamed with a Fire Brute who had skipped their mez protection and one of their toggles, and wondered why they got killed all the time. They said it was a farming build and a friend had one just like it. I explained the concept of dual builds to them as politely as I could.
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Now that guy lives on Sam's couch and eats all of his groceries and pays no rent. The moral of the story is never to invite strangers to your team.
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Hmmm...and I just thought the cat had put on weight.
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PS. Paragon needs to integrate/buy/steal Red Tomax, Mids and paragonwiki and print/pdf a new manual.
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I'd agree except then they would probably
A. Stop being updated
B. Have the truly relevant information removed
C. Create or reintroduce some bug
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PS. Paragon needs to integrate/buy/steal Red Tomax, Mids and paragonwiki and print/pdf a new manual.
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I'd agree except then they would probably
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B. Have the truly relevant information removed
C. Create or reintroduce some bug
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+1, Insightful.
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So what's the most disturbingly bad example of a controller that you've seen in-game?
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Since more often than not I am playing a Controller myself, I have not seen very many situations in which an utter lack of controls, etc., stood out to me--- I was usually too busy doing my own work to notice exactly why we got wiped due to another Controller.
But what I HAVE seen lately is a trend of Controllers not using most of a powerset: a /FF who does not run ANY bubbles at all, much less bubble each of the team; they only got it for the Personal Force Field, apparently. A /Kin who skipped SB, etc., and snaps back that they are "not a buffbot!" and you can forget about Transference or melee heals, too. And probably everyone has run into the /Emp who just "rocks the aura" and never does anything else. (Usually at Wentworth's )
I have also seen Controllers that run their favorite powers even when it aggroes multiple groups or messes up pulls, etc. Come on, folks, let them at least GET TO THE TANK before you AoE Immob them!
A Controller should keep the overall team mechanics in mind and adjust tactics accordingly. I once turned off Hot Feet on my Fire/Rad when I realized that the Tank could not keep aggro with it on. I am not conversant enough in Tank builds to discern why, but for that team, I just concentrated on my 3 debuffs and Choking Cloud, and spot held Bosses. Flashfire was not working so well (I inferred the mobs were Stun Resistant) and I stopped summoning the Imps. With Hot Feet on and the Imps doing their ADD thing, I was a sitting duck for aggro and got zonked, and then other teammates started getting picked off by the debuff-free and hold-free baddies. By concentrating on debuffs and spot holds, the team steadily dispatched the debuffed foes, and often the mobs were held as a group with Cinders, Choking Cloud, EM Pulse or a combo thereof. Progress was smooth and nobody died. I was not the Damage Star I often am, but it all worked better.
Likewise, my Ice Controllers prefer not to have AoE Immobs tossed on top of Ice Slick, but on a team with 3 or 4 Controllers, the best tactic probably IS to spam AoE Immobs for damage. Whatever works the best is the way to go.
I read many, many guides back in the day, and lurked the Forums for almost a year before I even registered. I asked questions and took note of good play. It took about 8 months before my Ice/FF Controller made 50... and that was bubbling every teammate every four minutes with both bubbles, and running my big bubble as well, on every team. It was fun and I am still here.
The MA newbs will learn how to play, and thus enjoy the varied richness most of us do, or get bored and drop out in frustration, I think.
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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I would love to be able to find normal functioning teams in this game anymore. I mean I used to run with teams that were perfect, Tankers would tank, controllers would hold, Scrappers would help with damage along with blasters, and defenders would heal/buff. But nowadays we get Scrappers that stand on the edge and use Shockwave and Torrent because they make for fun powers because they're knocking the mob around....
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Hey, at least they're standing on the edge--better than standing in the middle and dividing the spawn in two.
I prefer more versatile players than your golden age's teammates, people who go beyond their primary--defenders who blast, blasters who control, controllers who tank, tanks who smash, etc...
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Versatility is great but a lot of bad players fail at it. Instead of going beyond their primary they simply fall well short of being able to perform at it.
It makes me sad when i see vets post threads like this. Oh look this kid didn't pick up deflection shield but instead grabed personal FF. Lets trash talk him on the fourums. So what. Are they are not good enough to play CoX because they just got the game and cant build a toon as good as you can so they should be baned? How did you play when you first got this game. Did you pick the cool looking powers that sucked and skip the great ones because they had high end cost and long recharges, or did you automaticly know that i have to slot fire imps with (enter realy good and realy rare enhacement here)? Now think about you starting out before trash talking, insulting, and just plain degrading other players just because there new. Oh also if you think they should be baned because they used AE to lvl. Tell the devs to remove it. Even though I bet most of you 50's use it also to get a bunch of influnce and tickets. So stop making threads about newbs and how much they suck because i know all of you were newbs at one point or another, and start helping newer players by helping them and giving them positive reasons to pick powers.
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It makes me sad when i see vets post threads like this. Oh look this kid didn't pick up deflection shield but instead grabed personal FF. Lets trash talk him on the fourums. So what. Are they are not good enough to play CoX because they just got the game and cant build a toon as good as you can so they should be baned? How did you play when you first got this game. Did you pick the cool looking powers that sucked and skip the great ones because they had high end cost and long recharges, or did you automaticly know that i have to slot fire imps with (enter realy good and realy rare enhacement here)? Now think about you starting out before trash talking, insulting, and just plain degrading other players just because there new. Oh also if you think they should be baned because they used AE to lvl. Tell the devs to remove it. Even though I bet most of you 50's use it also to get a bunch of influnce and tickets. So stop making threads about newbs and how much they suck because i know all of you were newbs at one point or another, and start helping newer players by helping them and giving them positive reasons to pick powers.
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There are two sides to that argument. On the one hand, sure, everyone new makes mistakes that "old hands" find amusing. But most of these "Noobs" that we are talking about got their levels through AE powerleveling, with no concept of learning how things work -- all they care about is getting a high level character, whether or not they know how to play it. Then, when we invite them on teams expecting the person to have experience commensurate with the levels, we are sadly dissappointed.
I go out of my way to help new players. I have spent 45 min. just chatting with someone trying to give them suggestions. I spent many, many hours writing up two guides. But I have little patience for people who want to short-cut the system just the get the good stuff of a high level character without the work or skill.
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Oh also if you think they should be baned because they used AE to lvl.
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They only are baned if they get their AE fifty villainside. That, or widowed, I guess.
My two cents:
1) People who want to gather in non-AE groups are having trouble finding each other. There's no lack of players willing to group to do non-AE content (or even AE non-farm content) but there's a lack of ability to meet and greet. Coalitions are one very useful tool; if you have a coalition that likes to group a lot then you'll have a lot less trouble. If you're not in a coalition that does -find one-.
Even then tho, that's only going to go so far. What I propose is that non-AE groupers who want to group should choose a good central location, and advertise for groups there. Steel Canyon's pretty good for that--AE-kiddies don't usually go there, it has access to a lot of zones through Midnighters, Trains, etc. This way, if you're a level 50 tanker looking to finish off those last couple TFs, you're not wandering back and forth between Bricks and FF trying to find that one other guy wandering between FF and Bricks.
2) Team search. Use it.
3) If you don't mind the AE farming, or are actually a part of it, for gossake, stop spamming Atlas Broadcast. Use the damn Architect channel. THAT IS WHAT IT IS FOR. It is cross server, and you can be assured never to miss a group, even while you're wandering out of your comfortable little area to far off vistas like the University or The Black Market.
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It makes me sad when i see vets post threads like this. Oh look this kid didn't pick up deflection shield but instead grabed personal FF. Lets trash talk him on the fourums. So what. Are they are not good enough to play CoX because they just got the game and cant build a toon as good as you can so they should be baned? How did you play when you first got this game. Did you pick the cool looking powers that sucked and skip the great ones because they had high end cost and long recharges, or did you automaticly know that i have to slot fire imps with (enter realy good and realy rare enhacement here)? Now think about you starting out before trash talking, insulting, and just plain degrading other players just because there new. Oh also if you think they should be baned because they used AE to lvl. Tell the devs to remove it. Even though I bet most of you 50's use it also to get a bunch of influnce and tickets. So stop making threads about newbs and how much they suck because i know all of you were newbs at one point or another, and start helping newer players by helping them and giving them positive reasons to pick powers.
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There are two sides to that argument. On the one hand, sure, everyone new makes mistakes that "old hands" find amusing. But most of these "Noobs" that we are talking about got their levels through AE powerleveling, with no concept of learning how things work -- all they care about is getting a high level character, whether or not they know how to play it. Then, when we invite them on teams expecting the person to have experience commensurate with the levels, we are sadly dissappointed.
I go out of my way to help new players. I have spent 45 min. just chatting with someone trying to give them suggestions. I spent many, many hours writing up two guides. But I have little patience for people who want to short-cut the system just the get the good stuff of a high level character without the work or still.
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I think this sums it up pretty well. I for one called nobody out. I am simply mystified at why one would take a powerset and never use any of the powers. Why not take a powerset that you will actually use?
In the four years and change that I have played, I have helped out any number of new players with directions, explanations and even hefty doses of Influence. I received such help Back in the Day from other kind Vets, and it is in keeping with being Heroes.
The problem, as Local Man neatly summed up, is when the new One Day Wonders take their 50s and try to do non-farm AE content and muck up the works while refusing any guidance on how to avoid it. Don't use Rain of Fire on a group we are trying to pull. Turn on your armors. Flash Arrow does not aggro, so that is not the signal for an all-out attack. Things like that.
Mistakes will be made, even by Vets. If intentions are good and the lessons are learned, it is all part of the fun. But repeatedly doing the same wrong thing will bring a ton of disdain down on someone. If they are a 50 with no Veteran badges, it simply honks some folks off even more.
Personally, I think a recklessly bad player is annoying, period, and it little matters how or why they are that way. But I would bet you a buck that the folks who are annoyed at AE Farm 50s get just as annoyed with a 44 month Veteran 50 who is acting like an idiot as well, since they really ought to know better.
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
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This way, if you're a level 50 tanker looking to finish off those last couple TFs, you're not wandering back and forth between Bricks and FF trying to find that one other guy wandering between FF and Bricks.
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If you are level 50, wouldn't you be in PI looking for people, even if the content you plan to do isnt in PI? I could see Talos too.
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Well i guess i got a lttle fed up when i posted my reply. As you guys said there are two sides. One bieng that they are new and the other that they are picking a power set thatthey are only taking 1 power from. If they arn't going to play somthing to the minumum percent why play it at all? I appolgize if i called someone out without seeing them all the way. 
Have a good day all happy hunting. 
Even if you aren't setting out to PL, good luck finding a pick-up group that isn't a PL team without a coalition, taskforce channel, or other such resource. New players don't have access to those, and the way you normally meet people and get into them is through grouping and content, forming a bit of a nasty circle. In the mid through late levels, this starts to abate somewhat as you'll run into people looking for taskforces, trials, raids and such - but it's not actually a new player's fault that those situations are his first "live" grouping experience. He may have soloed, but by designer intent, any build can solo on Heroic, and some things that are good ideas while soloing on Heroic (drop Rain of Fire into a spawn so they're too busy running around to murder you) will get you slaughtered on TFs.
I have an idea for the vets out there. Find a way in your builds to fit in Vengence, or at least have a friend or two with it. And, you know, have that annoying toon, that rushes in, aggros and dies, be, well, helpful. You get a monster buff, or two, and you can continue to use "skill" and "tactics" and have fun, the newer person gets to learn a different set of skills, and everyone wins.
Or is this idea to easy.
Yeah, lets get a pitchfork, some torches, and lay siege to the monsters' castle.
Oh.
Wait.
We are supposed to be the good guys.
DOOOoooo0000oooM!
210 50s and still counting!
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some things that are good ideas while soloing on Heroic (drop Rain of Fire into a spawn so they're too busy running around to murder you) will get you slaughtered on TFs.
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Yes! Rain of Fire proved to be a bad way to start an attack in the Caves of Atta, as it caused a general jailbreak of hundreds of Trolls who overran us. But dropping it on top of our group made the Trolls scatter instead of pounding us to mush as they had been.
Live (or get killed and go to the Hospital ) and learn!
PS- To bring back a Fond Memory of Hami Raids Back in the Day:
Raid Leader: "Rain of Fire is NOT a Hold!"
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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I have an idea for the vets out there. Find a way in your builds to fit in Vengence, or at least have a friend or two with it. And, you know, have that annoying toon, that rushes in, aggros and dies, be, well, helpful. You get a monster buff, or two, and you can continue to use "skill" and "tactics" and have fun, the newer person gets to learn a different set of skills, and everyone wins.
Or is this idea to easy.
Yeah, lets get a pitchfork, some torches, and lay siege to the monsters' castle.
Oh.
Wait.
We are supposed to be the good guys.
DOOOoooo0000oooM!
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Hehe I could make a concept toon that has fallout and Vengance ready to go :P.
Imagine if we could be a Mastermind with the pet buff that causes them to explode, be, well...player usable...
Somedays, I am not really nice.
And for Vengence and Fallout, you sorta need recall friend?!?
210 50s and still counting!
MA is just Winter Lord Redux as far as I've seen. Took awhile for something as crazy to crop up, but it was probably inevitable. Perhaps the biggest problem will be the fact that MA isn't going away in a month or two.
It's killing season
Time to celebrate
What better way than to
Rid the world of all the walking waste ....