At what level can you no longer do missions alone?

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What difficulty level are you facing them on? And what kind of meleer?

[/ QUOTE ]Unyielding and below depending on level, and almost all powersets at one point or another. Spectral Daemon Lords can be slow and challenging, but there are various methods of handling them. i tend to use my superior mobility and the fact that their aura doesn't always take effect instantly to use hit and run tactics. i suppose if they were in every single spawn i would also start avoiding CoT missions, but i've never had that occur.

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The mission I was doing had at least two spawn of them in every room. The mob that finally made me just go ahead and use autocomplete had TWO of them in the same mob.

I remember fighting those guys on my Bots/Dark MM. I couldn't believe that my Assault Bot that could go toe to toe with most Elite Bosses was being pawned by a Lt.

Well, being Bosses, they're not too annoying in a solo mission, since there will only be one total. On teams is where it gets icky, when there can be two or more in every spawn. On teams I play Mook Mash with my fast-recharging Lotus Drops, then help out on the Bosses when they're the last ones standing. It is my experience that teams tend to focus on Bosses anyway, so this way I get that coveted Combat spam (You have defeated You have defeated You have defeated). I'm usually the only one that knows I'm saving the Bosses for last.

Obviously if I wanted my Talsorian Katana, there just wasn't avoiding Rikti.

Yeah. I activated my Katana/Regen's second build and took MOG for RWZ.

My Fire/Regen with Focused Accuracy loved the timed RWZ missions.

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What difficulty level are you facing them on? And what kind of meleer?

I was doing an Unyielding Mission on my level 24 Mace/Fire Armor Brute and it was an exercise in frustration when I'd come across a Spectral Lord or the Demon Lord ... they'd floor my accuracy and then just kick my butt.

That's usually what happens for my melee toons when I face the Spec Lords. Depending on the toon I'm playing, they may or may not be able to kill me, but either way it's a long fight because I simply can't hit them unless I have plenty of yellows on hand.

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Spectral Lords can be fought solo by melee'ers. You need to use you most deadiest weapon: your brain. So why are Specrtal Lords to bad? Point Blank AoE ToHit debuff. Not the Point Blank part of the power description. Solution avoid point blank. Don't stand toe to (figurative) toe with a Spectral Lord. You got leg...use 'em! Joust the Spectral Lords. Sprint, Dash, Jump whatever and avoid their AoE. To quote Muhammad Ali - Float like a buttterfly, sting like a bee." When the AoE goes down, move in for the kill.

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What difficulty level are you facing them on? And what kind of meleer?

I was doing an Unyielding Mission on my level 24 Mace/Fire Armor Brute and it was an exercise in frustration when I'd come across a Spectral Lord or the Demon Lord ... they'd floor my accuracy and then just kick my butt.

That's usually what happens for my melee toons when I face the Spec Lords. Depending on the toon I'm playing, they may or may not be able to kill me, but either way it's a long fight because I simply can't hit them unless I have plenty of yellows on hand.

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Spectral Lords can be fought solo by melee'ers. You need to use you most deadiest weapon: your brain. So why are Specrtal Lords to bad? Point Blank AoE ToHit debuff. Not the Point Blank part of the power description. Solution avoid point blank. Don't stand toe to (figurative) toe with a Spectral Lord. You got leg...use 'em! Joust the Spectral Lords. Sprint, Dash, Jump whatever and avoid their AoE. To quote Muhammad Ali - Float like a buttterfly, sting like a bee." When the AoE goes down, move in for the kill.

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Kind of hard to do that when they immobilize you.

(Don't have combat jumping and Fire Armor has no protection against immobilize until you get Burn which I also don't have
yet.)

(Though I do have TP so I can use that, but it's not quite as easy as just not being affected by the power.)

And I'm not saying that I CAN'T beat them. Just that it's not fun for me at the level I like to play. If it's not fun, I'm not going to do it.

I could find a way to safely hit my head with a hammer all day but that doesn't mean I'd want to do it just 'cause I could.

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ok....i'm startin to have a feeling that once reach a certain level, you have no choice but to do missions with others....is this true? if so, what level is pretty much the end of the line for doing missions solo?

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Anything can solo this game bottom to top.

Patrol XP, temp powers, the ability to drop missions....it's never been easier to solo 1-50.

I find soloing tedious unless I'm playing a class that can pump out the damage, but anybody can make it with enough persistence.

I think some of the problems people have is
they suck. I realize thats not really a nice thing to say, but I think its true

This entire game can be soloed (on any AT) minus some of the TFs/SFs which is "group" content IMO.
The Basic Game tho, the missions... They ALL can be soloed at any level - cept for those click missions mentioned earlier in this thread.

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They ALL can be soloed at any level - cept for those click missions mentioned earlier in this thread.

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And those aren't roadblocks either since they can be dropped.

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I laugh now whenever people claim all content is soloable on all archetypes. My Invuln/SuperStr TANKER could barely take on Frostfire alone, and my Dark/Dark Corrupter needed to team to kill Spinnerette who would heal herself way too frequently. Clearly, not all content in this game is soloable on all archetypes.

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We claim it because it's true.

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No it's not. Trust me when I state experience speaks louder than words, and experience reveals that there's a number (although very few) of Elite Bosses and mobs that cannot be soloed effectively.

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Frostfire is not a particularly hard EB, I've beat him with every Hero AT and the epics solo. People who claim that they can't solo normal mission content generally aren't using all the tools available to them in a strategic way.

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I did use all the tools available. After the first face plant, I figured out that I should probably knock out all of Frostfire's body guards before taking him on personally. This gobbled up a lot of inspirations and time running back and forth between the elevator and his chamber. I killed him, but I'd rather have done it with a team when I look back on the experience.

And you clearly never fought Spinnerette. She heals up as quickly as you damage her. Not soloable in the least. Kadabra Kill is even worse, because he does the same constant healing while planting binds on you while he and his godawful singularity can hit you with impunity. You can only carry so many break free inspirations before realizing you need backup when facing that terror.

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Bring more inspirations. Seriously.

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Oh durrr... me not think of that. Me have eye-cue of 5. Duuuuuurrrr.

My kingdom for an eyeroll smiley right about now....

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Barring that, take a hard look at your build. Just because you can't take on a particular challenge with your specific build doesn't mean it is insurmountable for your pri/sec combo altogether.

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My builds are fine, because I am able to solo most content just fine. It's just that a few EBs are clearly not soloable for some archetypes whatsoever.

And don't get me started on Spectral Daemon Lords, the one Lieutenant in the game that feels as bad as some Elite Bosses.

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And you clearly never fought Spinnerette. She heals up as quickly as you damage her. Not soloable in the least. Kadabra Kill is even worse, because he does the same constant healing while planting binds on you while he and his godawful singularity can hit you with impunity. You can only carry so many break free inspirations before realizing you need backup when facing that terror.

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Hmm. I never thought Spinnerette was all that bad as far as elite bosses go. I've clobbered her a number of times. Granted I've also dropped that mission a number of times. I didn't find her healing to be all that bad, but then if I fight her it's either with a character that can do damage fast, or a dominator who can lock her down.

Kadabra Kill is annoying, to be sure. But he's not an elite boss. He's a boss, and he downgrades to lieutenant on Villainous. He's certainly given a few of my characters problems, and he's one of the nastiest lieutenants I've encountered, but he has a very limited supply of hit points.

And again, there is that handy drop mission feature if you can't handle it solo and don't feel like summoning a team. I use it fairly often myself.

I took Kadabra Kill but I had to use the 4 lucks/4 reds combo on my Mace/Fire armor Brute.

The thing that made him tricky was that as a Boss he's being guarded by a Boss Lost, so you wind up with two Boss Level Entities spamming holds on you ... not to mention the damage the Lost Bosses get with those swords of theirs.

Actually, Kadabra Kill cons as "Hero" whenever I fight him.

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Actually, Kadabra Kill cons as "Hero" whenever I fight him.

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Check his hit points a little more closely next time you fight him. I wouldn't be fighting him if he was a full-fledged Hero. I'd be dropping that mission every time. He was definitely a lieutenant (regardless of the title) each time I fought him. He'd be a boss at a higher difficulty setting.

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No it's not. Trust me when I state experience speaks louder than words, and experience reveals that there's a number (although very few) of Elite Bosses and mobs that cannot be soloed effectively.

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I did use all the tools available. After the first face plant, I figured out that I should probably knock out all of Frostfire's body guards before taking him on personally.

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Oh durrr... me not think of that. Me have eye-cue of 5. Duuuuuurrrr.

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I think you can't see through all that sarcasm and disbelief.

I've yet to find an EB I can't solo on my Widow on the highest difficulty (or diff 4 if they're a natural AV), without inspirations and without temp powers. And nothing is really any challenge for her on lower difficulties.

Even if Widows are crazy strong, any AT with any power set should be able to solo EBs. I've soloed tons of EBs on tons of characters. I have more than 25 ACTIVE characters, and I've conqured EBs on all of them, as well as probably dozens of deleted characters, across all builds, ATs, and levels.

Maybe your "experience" shows otherwise, but mine doesn't. I've soloed Frostfire, Kadabra Kill, Spinerette, Silver Mantis, Nosferatu, Statesman, and Ghost Widow as EBs. Those would be some of the ones I consider the hardest, as well as your list, but none of them are too hard to handle if you know what you're doing. The hardest one is probably Ghost Widow (followed by Nosferatu) but only because she cheats. Some of them can be frustrating if you aren't prepared, but there are plenty of ways to deal with them.

First, your statements seem to be indicating that your strategies suck. You even have a hard time with lieutenants? And it took more than one encounter to think to attack the enemies around the EB? You also claim you use inspirations, but I'm willing to bet you don't use the right ones. It's a common newbie mistake to just stock up on greens. Take purples. Seriously. 4x purples = you get hit less than 10% of the time. Suddenly, all their really ridiculous attacks, powers, and debuffs don't matter because they can't hit you. And there are plenty of defensive temp powers, and pet powers.

Whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong. You haven't exhausted all your options and you aren't using good strategies. Properly prepared (sometimes with inspirations and temps), I've never had trouble taking down any EB, from level 10 to 50, on any AT, with any build.

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Actually, Kadabra Kill cons as "Hero" whenever I fight him.

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I mowed him last night with a mace/invulnerable brute slotted with a mix of level 15 & 20 generic IOs and he didn't seem particularly imposing.

I also took him out a few weeks back with my ninja blade/willpower stalker, which was a much larger challenge and necessitated burning some inspirations.

Both on the second difficulty level.

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No it's not. Trust me when I state experience speaks louder than words, and experience reveals that there's a number (although very few) of Elite Bosses and mobs that cannot be soloed effectively.

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I did use all the tools available. After the first face plant, I figured out that I should probably knock out all of Frostfire's body guards before taking him on personally.

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Oh durrr... me not think of that. Me have eye-cue of 5. Duuuuuurrrr.

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I think you can't see through all that sarcasm and disbelief.

I've yet to find an EB I can't solo on my Widow on the highest difficulty (or diff 4 if they're a natural AV), without inspirations and without temp powers. And nothing is really any challenge for her on lower difficulties.

Even if Widows are crazy strong, any AT with any power set should be able to solo EBs. I've soloed tons of EBs on tons of characters. I have more than 25 ACTIVE characters, and I've conqured EBs on all of them, as well as probably dozens of deleted characters, across all builds, ATs, and levels.

Maybe your "experience" shows otherwise, but mine doesn't. I've soloed Frostfire, Kadabra Kill, Spinerette, Silver Mantis, Nosferatu, Statesman, and Ghost Widow as EBs. Those would be some of the ones I consider the hardest, as well as your list, but none of them are too hard to handle if you know what you're doing. The hardest one is probably Ghost Widow (followed by Nosferatu) but only because she cheats. Some of them can be frustrating if you aren't prepared, but there are plenty of ways to deal with them.

First, your statements seem to be indicating that your strategies suck. You even have a hard time with lieutenants?

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Just Spectral Daemon Lords. Everything else is just a small stone in the river or nothing.

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And it took more than one encounter to think to attack the enemies around the EB? You also claim you use inspirations, but I'm willing to bet you don't use the right ones. It's a common newbie mistake to just stock up on greens. Take purples. Seriously. 4x purples = you get hit less than 10% of the time. Suddenly, all their really ridiculous attacks, powers, and debuffs don't matter because they can't hit you. And there are plenty of defensive temp powers, and pet powers.

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I WAS using Luck. And Rage. Those were my two primary selections. They always are. And I get myself a Sturdy or two and a couple Breaths just in case. Respites are redundant when counting some of the self-heal abilities my characters get. I usually either need one or none at all when dealing with the more average EBs.

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Whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong. You haven't exhausted all your options and you aren't using good strategies. Properly prepared (sometimes with inspirations and temps), I've never had trouble taking down any EB, from level 10 to 50, on any AT, with any build.

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You made a lot of incorrect assumptions about my inspiration use and then said I was "doing it wrong." I suspect that you're more than likely lying and have merely dropped said missions on most of those characters.

If you can't beat Frostfire even with constant 95% evasion, I don't know what else I could possibly recommend. It's not hard to beat EBs. I don't know what the point of lying about it would be. It's not a fantastic feat and doesn't require any intense talent. There's nobody for me to impress. With people running around soloing AVs with Blasters, I don't see why I would need to lie about soloing an EB with a Widow.

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And you clearly never fought Spinnerette. She heals up as quickly as you damage her.

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I have. Many times. With two brutes, a soldier, a widow, and a dom. Won every time.

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Not soloable in the least.

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Not sure why you believe this.

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Kadabra Kill is even worse, because he does the same constant healing while planting binds on you while he and his godawful singularity can hit you with impunity. You can only carry so many break free inspirations before realizing you need backup when facing that terror.

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I'm sorry, but simply put you need to learn to play better if you can't beat these NPCs as EBs solo.

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And you clearly never fought Spinnerette. She heals up as quickly as you damage her.

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I have. Many times. With two brutes, a soldier, a widow, and a dom. Won every time.

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Try it on a corruptor, then. It was absurdly ridiculous seeing the damage I just dealt instantly heal.

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Not soloable in the least.

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Not sure why you believe this.

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Personal experience. Clearly.

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Kadabra Kill is even worse, because he does the same constant healing while planting binds on you while he and his godawful singularity can hit you with impunity. You can only carry so many break free inspirations before realizing you need backup when facing that terror.

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I'm sorry, but simply put you need to learn to play better if you can't beat these NPCs as EBs solo.

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And I think you need to be less contrary for contrarian's sake.

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I WAS using Luck. And Rage. Those were my two primary selections. They always are. And I get myself a Sturdy or two and a couple Breaths just in case. Respites are redundant when counting some of the self-heal abilities my characters get. I usually either need one or none at all when dealing with the more average EBs.

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Question. How exactly do you use inspirations? Do you hit them one at a time, waiting for one to run out before hitting another? So when you say you went after these EBs did you hit four lucks all at the same time, or one after another?

There's a very big difference between those situations.

I usually use two at a time for the tougher EBs, saving the other two for immediately after. You people are correct in the fact that it's not hard to beat an EB most of the time, but EBs are not all equal when considering these problem cases.

I had no problem, for example, on staying alive with Spinnerrette, it's just that she had no problem staying alive either. It was a deadlock.

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I had no problem, for example, on staying alive with Spinnerrette, it's just that she had no problem staying alive either. It was a deadlock.

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super genius tactical protip:

if you're not doing enough damage, eat more reds.

if you're still not doing enough damage, hit the market and buy up a bunch of BIG reds, then eat those.

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Try it on a corruptor, then.

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Out of curiosity, what kind of Corruptor?

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Try it on a corruptor, then.

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Out of curiosity, what kind of Corruptor?

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not fire/dark, that's for sure!

Dark/dark.