Yes.
Neither. It's the closest the devs can get.
The game belongs to the Devs. They can do with it as they please. We pay them money to rent the game from them. It's within their best interest to make choices that will increase the number of rentors rather than decrease that number, so players do have some effect upon it, but the game is not, nor will it ever be, the players'.
It's thier nightclub.
We pay the cover charge, but that doesn't give us the right to pee on the dance floor.
They will try to make the place as attractive as they can without making the drinks free, because as popular as that would be, it would put it out of business in the long run.
anyone remeber jack emmert and how people disliked him because he made the game into his vision rather then giving players what they wanted?
they run the joint, but they need us to stick around.
there's no percentage in being dictator of an abandoned country.
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anyone remeber jack emmert and how people disliked him because he made the game into his vision rather then giving players what they wanted?
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For the most part, I think Jack's problem wasn't in the "vision" but in the delivery of information about the "vision". Jack isn't really much of a people person.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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For the most part, I think Jack's problem wasn't in the "vision" but in the delivery of information about the "vision". Jack isn't really much of a people person.
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No, the vision really sucked.
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game doesnt belong to the devs...it belongs to the company the devs work for..the devs are employees..
i think you people forget that.dispite any title posi has..he doesnt outright "own" anything.
silly kids..posi,babs and castle do not "own" this game
thats like saying i own target cause i work there and you dont cause you just shop there..
i think that the game is more 45% player 55% devs. at the end of the day the devs have the final say but they need to lessin to the player base. alot of the thing the comunity has asked for the devs have given us. we wanted an architect system, VEAT, side switching, and other stuff. so players seem to get a lot of what they wanted
If only there was a name for this sort of thing...
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Wow, you managed to turn it into a Jack Emmert Hate Thread in only five posts. Well done!
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Wow, you managed to turn it into a Jack Emmert Hate Thread in only five posts. Well done!
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Accuracy is not hate.
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The accuracy of said opinion is open to debate.
In any case, the thread wasn't about Jack, and bringing him up was entirely irrelevant to the question posed by the OP (despite it being the OP who brought him up).
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No it isn't.
His "vision" made a lot of people really angry.
If it didn't make you angry, gratz. The statement remains true.
Accuracy is not hate.
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The game belongs to the Devs.
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But the CDs, boxes and hero clix will be yours to repurpose as you see fit even long after we stop using computers in favor of mindboxes. By the time I'm a lean healthy sesquicenturion, I probably will be using mine as a micronutrient container coaster and the heroclix will gently float inside my nanite assembled micro gravity curio cabinet.
Is this another hate thread on emmert in disguise?
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Is this another hate thread on emmert in disguise?
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admit it- he's a much more interesting topic than what the OP gave us. =P
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The game belongs to the Devs. They can do with it as they please. We pay them money to rent the game from them. It's within their best interest to make choices that will increase the number of rentors rather than decrease that number, so players do have some effect upon it, but the game is not, nor will it ever be, the players'.
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This is an economically focused answer, and while not inaccurate, there are other legitimate perspectives.
Try this...
No artist exists in a vacuum. Those who create must have an audience. That audience can form a loyal following and maintain a constant market for the artist's creations. They can turn the artist's creation into modern folklore by adopting the art and extending it i.e. by adding fan created fiction or art. In such a way, loyal audience members can participate in the process of owning and being a part the art. In fact, there are a number of examples of art that have expanded so far beyond their creators that they have become integral parts of our greater pop culture for example: Star Trek, Superman, Star Wars, Harry Potter, the works of Andy Warhol, and the music of Queen.
So, in a strictly economic sense, the game legally belongs to the company and developers who created it, but in a greater cultural sense, the game belongs to all of us and needs us to thrive.
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If it didn't make you angry, gratz. The statement remains true.
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As long as a single person hated Jack for "not giving them what they wanted" then you're correct, it IS an accurate statement.
As a general statement about the playerbase, it's less than accurate, but I'll accede that you are technically correct.
Regardless, a statement doesn't lose its hate simply by its accuracy or inaccuracy. If you are somehow are evincing a philosophy stating that only inaccurate statements can be considered hateful then, we're living in different worlds and I'm afraid we have no grounds for a discussion on the matter.
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As long as a single person hated Jack for "not giving them what they wanted" then you're correct, it IS an accurate statement.
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He didn't use the word "hate", that's your addition to the thread.
He said "angry".
An accurate statement..
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As a general statement about the playerbase, it's less than accurate, but I'll accede that you are technically correct.
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he didn't say "all", he didn't say "hate", he didn't aggrandize the situation at all.
The vision made players angry- nothing but truth.
The problem is with your Pavlovian overreaction to a negative comment about Statesman, not the comment itself.
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Nonsense.
If I say "Stalin was a murderer who killed millions of Russians", there is no hate involved, it's a simple statement of fact.
If I say "Stalin is one of history's greatest monsters", that would be evidence of hate. I would personally consider it true, but it definitely has a sizable negative emotional component.
You're doing that thing people on forums like to do when they get in a hole- keep on digging.
You'd come off much better admitting you overstated matters and walking away.
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If you are somehow are evincing a philosophy stating that only inaccurate statements can be considered hateful...
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I haven't said anything of the sort.
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Does anybody think the current devs don't do exactly the same thing?
My issue with Jack was that too many questions were met with his grand pronouncements about "THE VISION", instead of explanations or reasons.
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this is one of teh questions i have had for a long time, dev all have there "vision" of what the game should be. player pay for the game so they want what they think the game should be, to be.
so is the game
for the dev vision of the game
or
for the players vision of the game