Last I played MA (2 years ago?) Eagle's Claw had a small chance to triple-crit after Placate. That alone was reason enough >.>
To answer what you're doing wrong, I'd say the timing of your placate. It isn't that hard to placate an enemy just after they attack so that they're affected. In other situations, you can close to melee, attack and put the AI in the "melee" mode of attacking, then hop away and placate while they make the shift to pursue.
Can you get rid of placate and not be gimp? Sure, but you still won't be as effective as you could be.
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Confirming. In addition to its obvious offensive uses, it also has defensive value. Enemy that stops attacking you long enough to use Recon = good.
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Yes, I forgot about this. While fighting an EB or tough Boss, Placate does have more uses (defensively and offensively)
I use placate all the time, and since my stalker is claws, I have just as many knockdown tools. I'm also SR and soft capped to boot, so I use placate primarily as a damage boost. Placate + BU + Eviscerate does some serious damage.
And I'm glad you talked about EBs later. I was going to say that if you don't need placate, you're probably not fighting things that are much of a challenge.
placate can give you better burst damage which is good for AVs, EBs, Bosses, and other Players.
In PvE even if you get interupted using your placate by an enemies attack he will still not hit your for 10 seconds.. hide comes back in 8..
Also in a multiple spawn situation I never attack the enemy I placated.. no matter what he will not hit you for 10 seconds unles you do damage to him...
Although In solo PvE placate is only used on single hard targets my attack chain can kill faster then placate AS animations... Or Im just feeling randy..
Moment of Glory=uninterrupted Placates
Regen is not so bad at Placating.
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The only thing better than Eagle's Claw is a critting Eagle's Claw. Placate lets that happen with great regularity.
In Boss fights especially, it's invaluable.
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The Placate bug makes it less valuable for Regen Stalkers since you have to be so careful with your timing, but it's still worth having and using. In my experience it doesn't work to give me breathing room since mobs tend to keep attacking right through it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have other uses.
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There is no Placate bug in PvE, save for the wonky behaviour of AVs and the problem with Elec Melee.
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I don't understand why the Electric Melee issue hasn't been fixed yet.
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@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.
I use placate in teams primarily to rehide for an AS or TS crit. Occasionally I use it to shake off some bad aggro. Solo I use it for the same reasons...I suppose.
BU - AS - Placate - MG - SL - Dead boss (often the Siphon Life is unnecessary)
Why wouldn't you want to guarantee 2 crits in a row?
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My /Regen is Elec/Regen. That's been the bulk of my Stalkering lately. I seldom had problems using Placate on previous Stalkers, but I thought that was because I was using defense based secondaries. I didn't realize it was limited to Elec/ in PvE. What is it specifically in Elec/ that causes the problem?
My next Stalker project will be Spines/, so I'll have the DoTs breaking Placate, but I'm back to defense so it should be ok.
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My /Regen is Elec/Regen. That's been the bulk of my Stalkering lately. I seldom had problems using Placate on previous Stalkers, but I thought that was because I was using defense based secondaries. I didn't realize it was limited to Elec/ in PvE. What is it specifically in Elec/ that causes the problem?
My next Stalker project will be Spines/, so I'll have the DoTs breaking Placate, but I'm back to defense so it should be ok.
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More or less, it's any "Debuff" whether it does damage or not will tell the NPC that you are there despite placate saying you are not there.
Unless, it's changed to something else that I haven't read about it.
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There is no Placate bug in PvE, save for the wonky behaviour of AVs and the problem with Elec Melee.
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My /Regen is Elec/Regen. That's been the bulk of my Stalkering lately. I seldom had problems using Placate on previous Stalkers, but I thought that was because I was using defense based secondaries. I didn't realize it was limited to Elec/ in PvE. What is it specifically in Elec/ that causes the problem?
My next Stalker project will be Spines/, so I'll have the DoTs breaking Placate, but I'm back to defense so it should be ok.
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Because Castle's minions fixed the PvE Placate bug before it ever came to be. Problem is, they fixed it by having the AI ignore certain effects when Placated, like -tohit or stuns. I guess Castle's minions didn't foresee the inclusion of Elec Melee as the primary, because AFAIK, it's the chance for -recovery that keeps causing the issues.
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This is really doom.
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There is no Placate bug in PvE, save for the wonky behaviour of AVs and the problem with Elec Melee.
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My /Regen is Elec/Regen. That's been the bulk of my Stalkering lately. I seldom had problems using Placate on previous Stalkers, but I thought that was because I was using defense based secondaries. I didn't realize it was limited to Elec/ in PvE. What is it specifically in Elec/ that causes the problem?
My next Stalker project will be Spines/, so I'll have the DoTs breaking Placate, but I'm back to defense so it should be ok.
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More or less, it's any "Debuff" whether it does damage or not will tell the NPC that you are there despite placate saying you are not there.
Unless, it's changed to something else that I haven't read about it.
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It's not any. It's JUST -Recovery.
This SHOULD be an easy fix. Just add -Rec to the list. I can't conceive of why it hasn't been done yet.
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IIRC it's not AVs, it's EBs - and that's due to the magnitude that Placate is set to (mag 4) not being high enough to bypass inherent EB status protection.
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IIRC it's not AVs, it's EBs - and that's due to the magnitude that Placate is set to (mag 4) not being high enough to bypass inherent EB status protection.
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If that were the case, Placate would never work, not even for a half second. From what I've observed, it's something to do with the Purple Triangles clicking on and off.
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Last I played MA (2 years ago?) Eagle's Claw had a small chance to triple-crit after Placate. That alone was reason enough >.>
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And Thunderstrike still has a tendency to double-crit when from Hide or after a Placate. Entire spawn go bye-bye!
Meh. If you never Use Placate then it's your choice. My DM/Nin Stalker rarely uses it unless it's fighting an EB or AV. Solo, I usually don't need it (though it does make for a handy escape power if I do something stupid. On teams, I rarely have the time because the team will kill any target I pick out before I can Placate+AS unless it's an AV or EB.
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Seriously. After I got Crane Kick and Eagle's Claw (Martial Arts), the need for Placate disappeared. Now, it almost seems tedious to set up Placate for something Eagle's Claw can easily handle.
What I normally do (solo) is wait to use Placate on the last enemy, and I usually have to knock them down with Crane Kick or Air Superiority in order to prevent attacks that interrupt Placate (I'm regen; no defense). It's much easier to click Eagle's Claw and let them die.
So I've heard Placate called one of the four "core" moves any good Stalker should have (the others being AS, Hide and BU). But if it's so good, why do I NEVER use it? What am I doing wrong? Can I get rid of it and not be gimp?