E-Mail Ideas:Please,Please,Please,Please,: )
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Posted on: 2009-06-10 23:28 in Suggestions and Ideas
Only two things are needed to totally solve the spamming issue:
1) Triple the ignore list size
2) Allow for IP Banning instead of Global Banning
All these spammers keep making new accounts to do it, but if we IP Ban them, it would solve the problem.
The ignore list size doesn't matter. By the time a spammer falls off your ignore list, they've been banned. The real problem is that the spammers push people that you've manually /ignored off the list.
The vast majority of ISPs do not assign static IPs. You ban their IP and in 4-12 hours they'll automatically have a new IP, if they don't manually renew sooner. Eventually you've banned entire IP blocks, locking out legitimate players.
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The vast majority of ISPs do not assign static IPs. You ban their IP and in 4-12 hours they'll automatically have a new IP, if they don't manually renew sooner. Eventually you've banned entire IP blocks, locking out legitimate players.
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Yes, IP blocks are typically a very bad idea. I can just hit "Repair" on my network connection right now and I'll be issued a new IP. IPs are not unique to the person, so blocking them, even blocking just one, could not only block legitimate users, but actually deny service to current users who happen to have that one assigned for a time.
As for the rest... Why is e-mail such a big deal? Simply "spam" all the stuff that's in there if you don't have anything important, or spam mail-by-mail so as not to report friends of yours. The only way to gather a lot of spam mail is to leave a character inactive for long periods of time, so at worst it's a once in a long while activity.
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I agree. I have already filled up my spam list. Its awful
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That stupid power-leveling store that dosent stop telling you,or messaging you through e-mail is driving me up the wall,into a spin,and out-of-control!
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While one of them does seem to be the most common, I recieve spam from at least 4 of them. (although one or two seem to be offshoots of the main.)
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I have a few ideas...
1)Lets say that after 100 days of not playing an alt,or even one single day,you are swamped by Power-leveling store advertisement messages.If I were these power-leveling store pests,I would be upset if I sent someone advertisements totalling 500 e-mails,and all could be gone if there were a,shall we say a "Delete All" option?It could also be used for other pests who like to plague you as you play the game.
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I could go for a "Delete All", but would prefer a reciever-side filter, as frequently mentioned on these boards.
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2)I have another idea.What if there was a system worked out where your e-mail could deny an e-mail totally if certain words were typed into a registry list,like the names of the stores which advertise their power-leveling,or even the numbered price which comes with them.Ignore lists get full,and those snake-in-the-grass merchants just come back,even stronger.
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A filter like that would be worked around rather quickly. They're already using alternate spellings and spacings, for example.
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4)I do understand that people still do use e-mail to say hello to their friends and such,but most of the e-mail option is being used by those crooked stores I mentioned in Idea #1
You could shut off e-mail all together by adding an option to disable it until you turn it back on again.
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From what I have red,my idea isnt totally bulletproof,but as far as them finding alternate spellings for words,just type them into the registry list as well!
Think about what a "Delete All" could do?..It could end your irritation from the stores in less than a second!
If you wish to recieve e-mails,but not from the stores,typing specific words into a registry list could help,and make sure,when you type,that you cover every type of spelling for those words.
Our ignore lists have a limit as to how many people you can ignore,and I have already have ran out of room,and we have to act on this problem is all that I am saying.I am working to make sure we never hear from those stores again.Whether it be an idea from me,or something else..we need to stop their evil once and for all!
The ways that I have suggested can also give players a choice in the matter at to what to do about these merchants that bug you constantly!
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1)Lets say that after 100 days of not playing an alt,or even one single day,you are swamped by Power-leveling store advertisement messages.If I were these power-leveling store pests,I would be upset if I sent someone advertisements totalling 500 e-mails,and all could be gone if there were a,shall we say a "Delete All" option?It could also be used for other pests who like to plague you as you play the game.
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The only people that should be given this option are GMs when they ban an RMT for spamming. Otherwise there are (some) people that keep in game mail for reference (not me).
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2)I have another idea.What if there was a system worked out where your e-mail could deny an e-mail totally if certain words were typed into a registry list,like the names of the stores which advertise their power-leveling,or even the numbered price which comes with them.Ignore lists get full,and those snake-in-the-grass merchants just come back,even stronger.
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Far too easy to get around. If you want an example, all you have to do is find a "Bulk" or "Woolverine" clone.
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3)There is no doubt that if #2 happened,they would probably check your global handle and start sending advertisements to that.What about a system which only allows you to get global messages,and global chat,by typing names into another registry list.For example,you could type @Samson Sledge for "Global Tell-Message Accepting" and receive global messages only from him,as well as regular tells from any and all of his alts as well by typing the names of all of Samson's alts,or anyone else you type into the list for "Global Tell Message Accepting",and only receive anything from them,whether it be from their global or tells from their alts only.Of course,something would have to be worked out so that other people can send sighted invites to you for teamage
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This one is very hard to read. If you are suggesting a white list, we could use the global friends list.
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4)I do understand that people still do use e-mail to say hello to their friends and such,but most of the e-mail option is being used by those crooked stores I mentioned in Idea #1
You could shut off e-mail all together by adding an option to disable it until you turn it back on again.
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An option to globally opt-out of the in game mail system would suit my needs.
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I'd just be happy to have a "delete all" button. Nothing more required. Those who'll be interested in their ads cannot be blocked from doing so, and that is the real problem in this scenario. Everything else about the situation can be dealt with by a finite and very surmountable number of clicks on a mouse. And that's if you really feel the need to solve it; the only tangible difference between spam and no spam is a little red highlight on a highly ignorable button.
Hence the desirable addition of a "delete all" button. Those of us who are bugged by the red light can nuke all the emails with the press of a single button.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
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I'd just be happy to have a "delete all" button. Nothing more required. Those who'll be interested in their ads cannot be blocked from doing so, and that is the real problem in this scenario. Everything else about the situation can be dealt with by a finite and very surmountable number of clicks on a mouse. And that's if you really feel the need to solve it; the only tangible difference between spam and no spam is a little red highlight on a highly ignorable button.
Hence the desirable addition of a "delete all" button. Those of us who are bugged by the red light can nuke all the emails with the press of a single button.
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This.
Also remember they have to be paying customers to send email. Once they are banned they have to purchase another copy of the game. We want them to keep buying more and more copies of the game to help add more revenue to the company.
The 'You have new mail' on every zoning annoys me more than the red letters.
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Or here's an idea...we can hide from search, tells, global channels, and even our global friends and supergroups...why not a "Hide from E-mail" option for those of us who do not use it and do not wish to? Or some other kind of option to, well, turn it off.
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A lot of people dont wish to do that DJ,and it really can be frustrating to turn all options on and off again over and over,just to avoid the stores,and when you turn all the options back on,the stores are right there all over again,sending you more tells than ever before.
Wait,I have another idea..Maybe we can turn the store advertisements into something worthwhile whenever we have to delete them over and over.
Maybe we could sell the e-mails back to the game for extra influence and infamy.We could alos implement a badge for selling back a certain number of e-mails,or maybe selling enough would give access to unattainable enhancements.Selling a certain amount of them could also give us things like free respecs,or costume tokens,or prestige for a supergroup base.
In short,we can take these stores and make them actually beneficial to us..by making their efforts to tell us about themselves backfire!
Just something to mull over.
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absolutely /unsigned. way to easy to exploit that. since it is almost impossible to differentiate between rmt email and actual friends emails by the system. also we don't need more ways to make infl/inf. it is already to easy to make it as is now. want a free respec? wait until a new issue or do the respec trials. costume tokens? wait for a new issue or vet rewrds. want prestige? go play the game or exchange infl/inf for prestige. and there is no such thing as an unattainable enhancement.
Well,here are some things you should consider Mr. Sharker_Quint
1)The e-mail,although used by few people for social reasons, is still virtually unused by many except the stores,and for those who you do want e-mails from,you can always add their name and global to a registry list.
2)As far as not getting free stuff for selling the e-mails,i say to you..look around sir,we get things free a lot nowadays simply for breathing,especially if you are a veteran of the game,and I ask you sir..What is one more thing in the scheme of things,and wouldnt it send those advertisement makers back to the drawing board?
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it wouldn't send them back to the drawing board. all they would do at that point is start sending themselves emails to make more infl/inf to sell. or start selling enhancements or what not. you really seriously need to start thinking out your ideas alot more before posting them. there really is no need to tie anything to getting rid of emails. everything you mentioned can be attained by playing the game.
oh and here is another idea, learn to search before you post your ideas. many if not all of yuor ideas have been discussed to death and can be found on these forums still. in fact before you post your ideas you should read through the other threads about them and see if your idea would even be something new that hasn't been discussed. and while your on the thread, if yuor idea is something different then what has already been discussed, put your idea there. instead of adding more clutter to the forums.
Ideas:
1) Ignore red email
2) open, delete, close, move on.
Anything more is a waste of emotional energy, and any further development effort a waste of code.
There are some nice-to-haves (they do not triage higher, not for me):
- A select-all, delete-all function
- Turning mail off
- If it can be done with minimal effort, email filters (allow from friends, sg, etc.) would be the Cadillac solution.
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I could be wrong about this,but..is the reason that the Developers havent done anythign major about these constant e-mail store advertisements is because COX Makes the most money off of them?
Is this true?..If so,I uh..*frustrated grunt,yanking his hair out*
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I could be wrong about this,but..is the reason that the Developers havent done anythign major about these constant e-mail store advertisements is because COX Makes the most money off of them?
Is this true?
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Not really. RMTs likely use stolen credit card numbers to buy the game to get around the restrictions.
Sadly almost all MMO games suffer from these parasites.
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Oh my lord..I cannot say "Die" here.Something has to be done about this problem.If you dont accept,nor like my ideas,what else could we do?
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Common topic : Email changes in response to RMT Spam
There are quite a few ideas floated typically for dealing with RMT spam. Trial account limitations were one thing tried by the devs, and worked reasonably well until lately (early 2009.) This is a common topic in the suggestion forum.
Since it is, a tip on searching.
1. Click on "Search" up at the top of the forum.
2. On the left, under "Forum(s) to search," select "Suggestions and ideas."
3. On the right, Keyword Search Terms. This is probably where your problem was if you did search. Try the following, exactly as typed:
+mail -"re: "
This will search for anything with "mail" in the title. Why not "email?" Because not everybody spells it the same. Some will call it email, others "e-mail" or "e mail," and still others may just call it the "mail system" or "Filters on Mail." This gives you a better chance of catching all of those. The -re: portion of it removes replies, so you'll see the root of every thread that comes up, letting you see just how many threads there are on this. (The last helps for other subjects, as well.)
4. Click the "In subject and body" radio button. Normally I say just in the subject, but this comes up in a few different ways, so for this search - both.
5. Leave Username Search blank.
6. Date range, Newer Than, change the 1 to a 3, and the time to Months.
7. Result format doesn't matter. Click on "Submit."
What do we see with this result? There are 34 returned threads as I type this (3/23/09.) My first page? Here's part of it.
Give me an option to block emails, Im sick of spam
Change email to mail system
We need another ignore list
Lock out e-mail until 15
Be able to disable or restrict e-mail
Maybe the worst idea ever, or maybe not.
Tired of RMT Emails?
Shared storage slots
Email link not turning red
In-game E-mail spamming
Going to just one month would have cut it down to just 13 results, in this case. Three months, though, is a decent search range. You can see already the reason for putting in "Mail" instead of "Email." And those without it in the title have it in the body somewhere.
Personal Opinion
I am, as always, strongly in favor of client-side filtering. Something like:
Accept email from:
o Friends
o Global Friends
0 Supergroup
o Teammates
0 Coalition
0 Any
with "Any," honestly, being the default - I use the system and help people I run across in PVP zones, for instance.
Why not keyword filtering (blacklisting?)
Well, say I'm spamming from www.infspammer.com (to make one up, I don't know that it exists.) I can tell you right now, just from *regular* email experience, that the second you block the entire name, it's going to get changed. www. infspammer. com is not the same. Block infspammer? 1nfspammer. i n f s pa a m m e r. in fs pa mm er. And if you finally manage to blow all that time and money setting up and testing the blocks for all the permutations of that - I spend five bucks and get buymyinf.com, and you get to start all over again. A blacklist is just more work for less gain. After all, years after the huge push from overseas, I still get the occasional creative spelling of "viagra" showing up in my own (whitelisted) junk mail filter.
"But blacklisting would cost them money!" And they care why? They're using stolen credit cards. They just charge Joe Sucker an extra $5 for the new domain. (If that, even.)
IP blocking
This also, really, wouldn't work. It's not hard to get a new IP address, and if you cast the net too wide, you'll block legitimate customers - or, rather, ex-customers. And I don't mean those using the service, who would be breaking the EULA/TOS anyway.
Are they doing anything at all?
Yes, NC/PS have taken measures in the past and continue to. Unfortunately, it takes time to (a) assess how well measures are working, (b) find how the spammers are getting around *current* measures, and (c) come up with, plan, implement and test new measures. They won't, for obvious reasons, tell us what they're planning, any more than a general would (or should) broadcast their plans for an attack on the ten o'clock news.
Prior measures are why we have the trial account restrictions (and believe me, it was MORE annoying when we had spam tells coming up every few minutes,) the /ignorespammer command and the "Spam" button on the email window. /ignorespammer and "Spam" both send a report to the administrators with details (and the spam button also happens to clear out email from the same global name, so you may well get rid of several with one click.) All those "Empty" ones? Dead spammer accounts.
What I'd like to see implemented
I'd like to see several things introduced at the same time (sub-points optional)
1. The clientside filter mentioned above.
2. A larger ignore list, or better yet a separate "Spammer ignore list."
2a. Allow me to mark people I purposely ignore (/gignore @somejerkingame) as "Permanent, do not remove"
3. Automatic deletion of emails (even "empty") when an account is deleted as a spammer. (Not just when it's "empty," as I have emails I'd actually like to keep from friends not in the game who are also, now, "Empty.")
3a. Subfolders for email - move stuff to "SG," "Friends," or whatever folders you want,
3b. Option to clear all email from a folder, with a warning ("Are you sure?")
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I'd just be happy to have a "delete all" button. Nothing more required. Those who'll be interested in their ads cannot be blocked from doing so, and that is the real problem in this scenario. Everything else about the situation can be dealt with by a finite and very surmountable number of clicks on a mouse. And that's if you really feel the need to solve it; the only tangible difference between spam and no spam is a little red highlight on a highly ignorable button.
Hence the desirable addition of a "delete all" button. Those of us who are bugged by the red light can nuke all the emails with the press of a single button.
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This.
Also remember they have to be paying customers to send email. Once they are banned they have to purchase another copy of the game. We want them to keep buying more and more copies of the game to help add more revenue to the company.
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ding,ding,ding we have a winner. this is the only reason the email/spam system doesnt have an option to turn off. and dont listen to those guys about the search function, one of these posts needs to go up every week. until the devs implement a plan to turn email/spam off! if it wasnt for the money this would be a moot point it would of already been done. we dont want them to buy more copies because if they went away more players would be buying up those slots.
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I'd just be happy to have a "delete all" button. Nothing more required. Those who'll be interested in their ads cannot be blocked from doing so, and that is the real problem in this scenario. Everything else about the situation can be dealt with by a finite and very surmountable number of clicks on a mouse. And that's if you really feel the need to solve it; the only tangible difference between spam and no spam is a little red highlight on a highly ignorable button.
Hence the desirable addition of a "delete all" button. Those of us who are bugged by the red light can nuke all the emails with the press of a single button.
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This.
Also remember they have to be paying customers to send email. Once they are banned they have to purchase another copy of the game. We want them to keep buying more and more copies of the game to help add more revenue to the company.
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ding,ding,ding we have a winner. this is the only reason the email/spam system doesnt have an option to turn off. and dont listen to those guys about the search function, one of these posts needs to go up every week. until the devs implement a plan to turn email/spam off! if it wasnt for the money this would be a moot point it would of already been done. we dont want them to buy more copies because if they went away more players would be buying up those slots.
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no. you do not want a new topic posted about this every week. Trust me you don't.
Unless you want an official thread made, followed by any other thread you make about it being autolocked/banned by a mod.
See the farming threads being locked constantly and people being referred to the farming thread.
bad idea.
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My suggestion, turn the tables on them, find the location of Gagora.com, be it a PO box, shipping address, anything.. and if they still do this sort of this, I know it's very '90s tons of the old AOL cd's!
Or bags of fertilizer..
every day until they get the hint.
OK humor aside, the ban list does need to be larger, and I do like the suggestion that banned accounts get all mail autodeleted.
perhaps if the ignore lists were encoded for the player side of things, then it wouldn't be a strain on the servers, i would crossreference the emails against our banlist file, and remove those that are undesired. this was the strain of holdign the ignorelist will be off the game servers too.
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That stupid power-leveling store that dosent stop telling you,or messaging you through e-mail is driving me up the wall,into a spin,and out-of-control!
I have a few ideas...
1)Lets say that after 100 days of not playing an alt,or even one single day,you are swamped by Power-leveling store advertisement messages.If I were these power-leveling store pests,I would be upset if I sent someone advertisements totalling 500 e-mails,and all could be gone if there were a,shall we say a "Delete All" option?It could also be used for other pests who like to plague you as you play the game.
2)I have another idea.What if there was a system worked out where your e-mail could deny an e-mail totally if certain words were typed into a registry list,like the names of the stores which advertise their power-leveling,or even the numbered price which comes with them.Ignore lists get full,and those snake-in-the-grass merchants just come back,even stronger.
3)There is no doubt that if #2 happened,they would probably check your global handle and start sending advertisements to that.What about a system which only allows you to get global messages,and global chat,by typing names into another registry list.For example,you could type @Samson Sledge for "Global Tell-Message Accepting" and recieve global messages only from him,as well as regular tells from any and all of his alts as well by typing the names of all of Samson's alts,or anyone else you type into the list for "Global Tell Message Accepting",and only recieve anything from them,whether it be from their global or tells from their alts only.Of course,something would have to be worked out so that other people can send sighted invites to you for teamage
4)I do understand that people still do use e-mail to say hello to their friends and such,but most of the e-mail option is being used by those crooked stores I mentioned in Idea #1
You could shut off e-mail all together by adding an option to disable it until you turn it back on again.
Those are my ideas.You could either dismiss one and accept another,or vice versa..or you could just forget about this post alltogether,but I plead with you not to,because I am a soldier in this power-leving store war(Not to be overly dramatic)just like all players.Please consider these solutions,everyone!
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