Windows Vista Verision of City of Heros/Villans?
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Posted on: 2009-06-09 19:18 in Player Questions
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I've found Vista works best if you don't install it.
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And I've found that, since the service packs, it works better than XP.
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No it does not.
listen to this:
PC System Requirements
Minimum PC Requirements
-----Windows® 2000/XP-------
- Never said vista on there.
Intel® Pentium® III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
256 MB RAM
CD-ROM Drive (DVD-ROM Drive if Collector's DVD Edition)
4 GB available hard disk space
NVIDIA® GeForce 2 Series, ATI® Radeon® 8500 Series or Intel i865G and above Video Card
Directx 9.0c
16-bit sound card
56k Internet connection
Keyboard and mouse
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Note the "Minimum PC Requirements"
You need Windows 2K or XP as a MINIMUM.
Older releases of Windows, such as 98 or 95 or NT should not work, but Vista and newer releases should.
I sure hope you didn't also try to remove any RAM more than 256 MB...
Perhaps you could have explained what happens when you try to launch CoH on your Vista PC?
Something as simple as a Firewall setting could be blocking you.
I think one of the (many) tricks of Windows Vista / Windows 7 is that it's not worth trying to upgrade an older machine with it. Clearly it effectively requires newer hardware to work well. Pretty much every time I hear of people having trouble with it is when they are trying to run it on older computers. Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here. 
And as far as Windows 7 goes, I think most people realize that it's basically what Vista should have been if they had gotten it to work as advertised a few years ago. I think that Vista (after the Service Packs) works pretty nicely now, but then again I'm only running it on machines that are less than two years old with plenty of memory and processing power. *shrugs*
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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I wouldn't put it that way. However, what it comes down to is that previous versions of Windows allowed certain shortcuts that hardware manufacturers commonly used. These shortcuts weren't exactly the best things for the system ( Or the parts using them ). Vista closed those shortcuts, and, as a result, a lot of cheaper ( and some higher end ) hardware suddenly started running into conflicts because of this.
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No it does not.
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While maybe not 'officially supported' on vista, it should work for the most part. In software 'supported' is not the same as 'it works'. Many software programs, while not supported in a situation, will still work. Not supported just means that they may or may not have tried it and may not have been fully tested so its unknown how it'll work. Don't think of it as a ' can't use' if not supported. Many times its close to 'use at your own risk'.
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I've found Vista works best if you don't install it.
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And I've found that, since the service packs, it works better than XP.
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My personal experience as well.
CoH works fine (though the op has acknowledged this and is trying to work it out him/herself).
All of the other MMO's I play also work fine.
Vista's main problems from my understanding is from a more technical point of view. My buddy who builds websites finds problems with Vista in his job, but loves it from a users perspective.
I am the same. Vista got a bad rap for good reasons, originally, but is working pretty darn well now.
Again, all imho.
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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No it does not.
listen to this:
PC System Requirements
Minimum PC Requirements
-----Windows® 2000/XP-------
- Never said vista on there.
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You're ignoring the word MINIMUM in Minimum PC Requirements
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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Especially if, like Microsoft's software, that new brand of CD player you want really only fits best in NEWER cars then you have a good analogy.
New software will always drive new hardware and vise-versa. Think of it this way: How often do you try to load Vista on a Commodore 64 or conversely a MS-DOS written in the 80s on a brand new computer?
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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The logic there is circular.
Selling Vista requires new hardware, new hardware sales is good for Microsoft because it means new software sales.
So, selling Vista is what causes Vista to be sold, there's a paradox waiting to explode the Universe in there.
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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You think that would somehow drive the sales of those new CD players????
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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The underhandedness comes in when they release "new" software which basically requires "new" hardware to match. It has long been understood that the hardware and software industries have, at least indirectly, helped to support and drive each other ahead because they clearly need each other to do well.
So while Microsoft might not be selling hardware directly they are more than happy to "encourage" people to have to buy new hardware to run their latest software because if the hardware guys sell more computers they directly end up selling more software.
Using the word "underhanded" was simply a humorous way to describe Microsoft's behind the scenes role in getting us to buy more stuff.
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The logic there is circular.
Selling Vista requires new hardware, new hardware sales is good for Microsoft because it means new software sales.
So, selling Vista is what causes Vista to be sold, there's a paradox waiting to explode the Universe in there.
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Maybe that's the kind of paradox Bill Gates needed to become one of the richest men on the planet.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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Actually, I'd see it as more akin to requiring a whole new car in order to use a new form of fuel.
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Basically the unspoken conclusion is that Microsoft forces you to have to buy a new machine if you want to have a good experience. Sure that's kind of underhanded, but we are talking about Microsoft here.
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I don't disagree that updated hardware is clearly the better way to go, but it almost sounds as if you're saying Microsoft is somehow also selling you the hardware... I'm not sure where the underhandedness comes in.
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I wouldn't put it that way. However, what it comes down to is that previous versions of Windows allowed certain shortcuts that hardware manufacturers commonly used. These shortcuts weren't exactly the best things for the system ( Or the parts using them ). Vista closed those shortcuts, and, as a result, a lot of cheaper ( and some higher end ) hardware suddenly started running into conflicts because of this.
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I've found Vista works best if you don't install it.
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And I've found that, since the service packs, it works better than XP.
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And pre and post SPs... works better if it was a fresh install (not an upgrade from XP install).
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Vista works fine for me, then again, I am now running Windows 7.
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Ah, Windows 7. "We've fixed a bunch of problems with Vista and added a few new features, but you're going to have to pay the full upgrade price to get those fixes!"
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Yes, but it won't have the brand name (and thus stigma) of Vista that being Vista SE : Windex edition would bring.
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Note the "Minimum PC Requirements"
You need Windows 2K or XP as a MINIMUM.
Older releases of Windows, such as 98 or 95 or NT should not work, but Vista and newer releases should.
I sure hope you didn't also try to remove any RAM more than 256 MB...
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Okay, I lol'd at that.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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Aett, I think a more proper analogy would be that you just bought a brand new CD player, but you're still listening through the stock amp and speakers.
I also play on a Vista machine. I've never had any issues except for slight graphic errors that were eventually fixed.
Just because the OS name isn't on the label doesn't mean you can't play the game. When a game lists an OS for playing the game it is usually understood that the requirements are for that OS or better, not just that OS.
CoX works fine on Vista machines. Trust me. I've been playing on one for at least 2 years now.
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I can see that. I view it as kind of the same thing as if you want to buy a new CD player for your car, you need to buy a whole new car.
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Aett, I think a more proper analogy would be that you just bought a brand new CD player, but you're still listening through the stock amp and speakers.
[/ QUOTE ]I don't understand the analogy in the first place... the CD player in my car can pop out and be replaced fairly simply.
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Not everyone owns a Honda or VW, Fleet. 
So what if you installed a brand, spankin' new stereo, and you plug it into those crappy stock speakers? Doesn't matter how sweet your stereo is, it's going to sound like crud through a stock system.
Upgrading your OS, no matter which one it is, will eventually require hardware updates to fully utilize what the OS is capable of.
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Vista works fine for me, then again, I am now running Windows 7.
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Ah, Windows 7. "We've fixed a bunch of problems with Vista and added a few new features, but you're going to have to pay the full upgrade price to get those fixes!"
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