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we're talking shield tanks not wp tanks :P
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Go back and read the posts...rulker was talking about his WP
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oops your right..[censored] no wonder..damn sorry man
*shakes fist at rulker*
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we're talking shield tanks not wp tanks :P
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Go back and read the posts...rulker was talking about his WP
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oops your right..[censored] no wonder..damn sorry man
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I was merely pointing out that my cheaper build was almost as good as his super expensive build. 
I find it amusing we are comparing an SD Tanker to a WP tanker...sort of like comparing apples to oranges arent we?
Post never claimed to be better or worst than another Tanker type..only an example of what can be done with a SD tank.
If you have a better or different SD build, would love to see it.
WT
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Go back and read the posts...rulker was talking about his WP
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oops your right..[censored] no wonder..damn sorry man
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I was merely pointing out that my cheaper build was almost as good as his super expensive build.
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that can happen in sooo many different ways thats its not really viable to compare
i do have an exspensive build as well...however im gonna respec i think to even out the defense...my melee is like 59% where my aoe and ranged is 47%
its a good build and im happy with it ..just need to trim the edges per say
Why the microfilament in hurdle? There's no end cost to hurdle.
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If he took that out it would only be a 3,950,000,000 Influence build. Duh.
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My 600 million inf WP/SS Tanker build is almost as good as your 4 billion inf build.
My regen is 772%, yours 343%
My EndRec is 223%, yours 207%
My s/l resist is 67.7%, yours 40.4%
I also have higher f/c/e/ne/psi def than your build plus all the other bonuses that WP gives over SD, like psi, confuse and fear resist and alot more debuff resist to all things.
You beat me in M/R/AoE def and have higher hasten, tohit, accuracy and damage numbers but then you've got purps while I don't.
I'm no expert but I'd say I spent my inf more wisely. 
[/ QUOTE ]This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever seen. Shield Defense is an entirely focused on Positional Defense whereas Willpower is a Jack of all Trades and uses Typed Defenses. There is no Tanker powerset in the game that can approach the type of Recovery and Regeneration that Willpower can. The focus of his build was Defense, Damage, and Recharge. It accomplishes that and is likely meant for farming.
My previous points were based on general knowledge of both power sets. Having checked them both, it just gets funnier. Your Willpower build is NOTHING compared to what he put together. Your F/C/E/NE is 23.5 with 18.4 to P. That isn't anything to brag about. You'd get ripped to shreds by large amounts of enemies who aren't S/L/P. The Shield Defense Tanker has his position defenses at 50, literally more than double your own. Even with Strength of Will up, it wouldn't survive half the things the Shield does. His recharge is 2% off from doubling your own.
Virtue: The-Invictus (Blue)
The Emissary of Justice - Level 50 Fire/Fire Blaster
The Emissary of Justice. - Level 50 WP/Fire Tanker
Mesmerius - Level 50 Psi/Mental Blaster
Nucleoa - Level 50 Rad/Son Defender
O.O i want to lick the OP's tanker
Whining about everything since 2006.
Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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My 600 million inf WP/SS Tanker build is almost as good as your 4 billion inf build.
My regen is 772%, yours 343%
My EndRec is 223%, yours 207%
My s/l resist is 67.7%, yours 40.4%
I also have higher f/c/e/ne/psi def than your build plus all the other bonuses that WP gives over SD, like psi, confuse and fear resist and alot more debuff resist to all things.
You beat me in M/R/AoE def and have higher hasten, tohit, accuracy and damage numbers but then you've got purps while I don't.
I'm no expert but I'd say I spent my inf more wisely.
[/ QUOTE ]This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever seen. Shield Defense is an entirely focused on Positional Defense whereas Willpower is a Jack of all Trades and uses Typed Defenses. There is no Tanker powerset in the game that can approach the type of Recovery and Regeneration that Willpower can. The focus of his build was Defense, Damage, and Recharge. It accomplishes that and is likely meant for farming.
My previous points were based on general knowledge of both power sets. Having checked them both, it just gets funnier. Your Willpower build is NOTHING compared to what he put together. Your F/C/E/NE is 23.5 with 18.4 to P. That isn't anything to brag about. You'd get ripped to shreds by large amounts of enemies who aren't S/L/P. The Shield Defense Tanker has his position defenses at 50, literally more than double your own. Even with Strength of Will up, it wouldn't survive half the things the Shield does. His recharge is 2% off from doubling your own.
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I've tanked 3 GMs at once and they can't hurt me fast enough to overcome my regen. I never tried 4 or more but I doubt it would make a difference.
Besides, I never said my build was better than his, I said it was almost as good for only 600 million. I was trying to point out that he way overspent, not that I was better than him.
With the amount of regen I have I don't need to have high defense. Also I saw no point in building for such a high recharge rate since I can kill things quickly and survive just fine the way I built it.
I can literally count on one hand the times I've died since finishing the build.
Relax and take a chill pill.
its off to the wood shed with you rulker!
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My 600 million inf WP/SS Tanker build is almost as good as your 4 billion inf build.
My regen is 772%, yours 343%
My EndRec is 223%, yours 207%
My s/l resist is 67.7%, yours 40.4%
I also have higher f/c/e/ne/psi def than your build plus all the other bonuses that WP gives over SD, like psi, confuse and fear resist and alot more debuff resist to all things.
You beat me in M/R/AoE def and have higher hasten, tohit, accuracy and damage numbers but then you've got purps while I don't.
I'm no expert but I'd say I spent my inf more wisely.
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I love doing comparisons.
813% regen vs your 772% vs his 343%.
237% endrec vs your 223% vs his 207%.
66.6% s/l resists vs your 67.7% vs his 40.4%.
And I think I spent a whole lot less than 600 million, too.
Pffft, my SS/WP Brute tops your sissy tankers.
SS/WP+Darkest Night > Tank
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psssst, the above is "humor." /fail
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meh, my Ice/SS has 2 builds like that.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Why the microfilament in hurdle? There's no end cost to hurdle.
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If he took that out it would only be a 3,950,000,000 Influence build. Duh.
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Waste more inf plz.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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My 600 million inf WP/SS Tanker build is almost as good as your 4 billion inf build.
My regen is 772%, yours 343%
My EndRec is 223%, yours 207%
My s/l resist is 67.7%, yours 40.4%
I also have higher f/c/e/ne/psi def than your build plus all the other bonuses that WP gives over SD, like psi, confuse and fear resist and alot more debuff resist to all things.
You beat me in M/R/AoE def and have higher hasten, tohit, accuracy and damage numbers but then you've got purps while I don't.
I'm no expert but I'd say I spent my inf more wisely.
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I love doing comparisons.
813% regen vs your 772% vs his 343%.
237% endrec vs your 223% vs his 207%.
66.6% s/l resists vs your 67.7% vs his 40.4%.
And I think I spent a whole lot less than 600 million, too.
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Care to put your Mids build up? I'd love to see how I could improve mine.
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What a complete waste of time.
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What an awesome tank.
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ok Grae, ill take the bait
since yer over the hp cap I removed the 3 mako's from Stone Fist. I swapped the slotting for Hover and IndomWill. And I removed the 2 Triade's from Health..
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
perma jump is ---> /up 1
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Sorry off topic, but FireForged post count was the year I was born O_o
Resume.
Obvious troll? 
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since yer over the hp cap I removed the 3 mako's from Stone Fist. I swapped the slotting for Hover and IndomWill. And I removed the 2 Triade's from Health..
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
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Had not thought of that, I may have to do some tweaking. Thanks.
Paragonian Knights
Justice Company
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I've tanked 3 GMs at once and they can't hurt me fast enough to overcome my regen
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Besides, I never said my build was better than his, I said it was almost as good for only 600 million. I was trying to point out that he way overspent, not that I was better than him.
With the amount of regen I have I don't need to have high defense. Also I saw no point in building for such a high recharge rate since I can kill things quickly and survive just fine the way I built it.
I can literally count on one hand the times I've died since finishing the build.
Relax and take a chill pill.
[/ QUOTE ]Oh, I'm chill. But your build still isn't almost as good. Of course he overspent. He clearly purposely paid for expensive enhancements where they were not needed in an attempt to hit the 4 billion mark. Overcoming WP's regeneration isn't that hard and mine is higher than your own.
Virtue: The-Invictus (Blue)
The Emissary of Justice - Level 50 Fire/Fire Blaster
The Emissary of Justice. - Level 50 WP/Fire Tanker
Mesmerius - Level 50 Psi/Mental Blaster
Nucleoa - Level 50 Rad/Son Defender
Influence is all relative! although most feel the build is a waste of influence..1. what elese are you going to spend your infl on and 2. total cost still didnt even account for 1/2 my influence, so why not!
p.s correct call Justice on your evaluation for what its being used for
Personally, I like using Kinetic Combat on WP tanks to get that S/L defense up rather than go for just regen. The less you get hit, the better.
Anyways, here is my 100 million SD/Axe build. It took a bit of patience to get the more expensive Obliterations, along with a few drops, and a few with merits.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Battle Axe
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(7), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(7), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(17), S'dpty-Def(19), DefBuff-I(34)
Level 1: Beheader -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Dam%(17)
Level 2: True Grit -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(19), Heal-I(21), Heal-I(34)
Level 4: Gash -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(5), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), T'Death-Dam%(15)
Level 6: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 8: Battle Agility -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def(9), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(9), S'dpty-EndRdx(46), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 12: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 14: Phalanx Fighting -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(40)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(34), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(36)
Level 22: Swoop -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(23), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(23), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Mako-Dam%(33)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(36), Mocking-Taunt(37), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(46), Mocking-Rchg(46), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(48)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Oblit-%Dam(33)
Level 28: Whirling Axe -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 30: Build Up -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(45)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(45)
Level 35: Cleave -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 38: Pendulum -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(40), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(42), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Chop -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(43), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 44: Grant Cover -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def(45), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Super Jump -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Swift -- Run-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
For my playstyle(balanced defense/offense non-stop), and the fact that I like a variety of attacks, it fits the bill nicely.
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DE GMs found in PI & Eden aren't GMs? Why's that?
You could sometimes find 3 Paladins in a group. Also Lusca's head & 2 tentacles would count. 3 Winter Lords during an event, or Jack, Eochai and a single event GM. You could find 3 GMs at once even w/o resorting to DE monsters.
An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee
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Go back and read the posts...rulker was talking about his WP