What makes the arsonist so suicidal?


008Zulu

 

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so i just hit 18 on my thugs MM last night and got my arsonist and i was like "yay! more damage+fire damage!" i heard he was crazy with running in but i didnt expect it to be this bad, throws 1 cocktail then runs right in and dies pretty quick.

is it his brawl that causes this? cause ive had this problem with mercs and bots and it always seems to be because they have brawl.


 

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A range 40 attack and a range 10 attack maybe? If the 40 is recycling the first thing he is going to do is run up and barf.


 

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so if the dev's increased the range of his fire breath that would probably solve alot of problems with the arsonist im guessing


 

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It's a combination of Brawl and Fire Breath. Although he has good attacks, they all take a long time to recharge. So he uses his long range attacks, closes to short range for Fire Breath, and with nothing else to do, closes to melee to Brawl.

I just call him an idiot and let him get killed. Fortunately most of the time he's near the Bruiser so I can heal them both together.


 

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All Thugs/ MM's wish they could take /sonic for that reason. He's the single highest damage pet you can get, but he dies SOOO fast. I'd even settle for thermal to cover his [censored].

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pyro on fire.


 

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Technically we *may* be getting Thermal.

Also heard rumours that /Sonic may be in the works...

Oh, and Pyromania makes one crazy as hell. Just take the TF2 Pyro for instance.


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.

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ill laugh when i see flaming ninjas running around lol


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.

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ill laugh when i see flaming ninjas running around lol

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You're not the only one


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.

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ill laugh when i see flaming ninjas running around lol

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Zombies on fire. All they'll need to do is add a chainsaw temp power and I'll be in heaven


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.

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ill laugh when i see flaming ninjas running around lol

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Zombies on fire. All they'll need to do is add a chainsaw temp power and I'll be in heaven

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Hell. Yes.

I have two MMs I'm working on right now, and I'd put them both on hold immediately for a Zombie/Thermal (How bad-[censored] would a Lich on fire be? Answer: Very.)

Heck, I'd be sorely tempted to reroll my Thugs/Dark as a /thermal, but the Necro/Therm is the first thing I'm going to do if it gets proliferated.


 

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I'll be over here in the corner wishing for my Ninja/Rad.

On point, there are a few things that make the Arsonist seem so suicidal. The range of certain powers is one. The fact that his usual opener is an AoE is another. Also just the pure amount of damage he can dish out attracts quite a bit of hate. Finally his status as a minion when he can produce the damage of a boss pretty much puts the exclamation point on his "Please Kill Me First!" sign.

I find he tends to survive longer when I keep him on the Defensive and try to make sure the initial agro is focused on either myself or the bruiser. It's not perfect protection, but it helps a bit.


 

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i want a thugs/empathy

fortitude is still the best buff in the game, and you can easily slot it to keep it up on three people at a time.


 

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To the op. Arsonist dies a lot pre-32. Post-32 you kill stuff so fast with thugs he doesn't have time to get in trouble. Minions exist for a blink of an eye, liutenants for two, and you only know you hit a boss because their hp bar lasts a whole five seconds. Elite bosses are a walk in the park. The only thing that takes you time and and/or tactics to kill are archvillains. That is the beauty of thugs/.


 

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i want a thugs/empathy

fortitude is still the best buff in the game, and you can easily slot it to keep it up on three people at a time.

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Alas, with Pain Domination we're unlikely to get it.

Just seems to show how dumb the 'healer' mentality is, when Empathy has some of the best buffs.


 

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well while your wishing for thermal ill be wishing they take brawl out of punks/arson, soldiers and battle drones cause i dont really see why they need it unless its just to irritate the player

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Never said I was wishing, I said it has been rumoured and hinted at.

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ill laugh when i see flaming ninjas running around lol

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You're not the only one

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Ninjas on fire = a level of cool the gods could not comprehend


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i want a thugs/empathy

fortitude is still the best buff in the game, and you can easily slot it to keep it up on three people at a time.

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Alas, with Pain Domination we're unlikely to get it.

Just seems to show how dumb the 'healer' mentality is, when Empathy has some of the best buffs.

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I think I might actually want /thermal instead of Pain for MMs. Shields + Heals + Thaw + Forge = win, no?

I know I can easily keep Forge on at least two or three people when playing my thermal troller. Having the extra to-hit and damage for Forge, with the survivability of shields AND targeted heals might just be overkill for MMs.


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Daemonchilde: ((fluffy thinks he's a tank))
Demon . Hunter: (( I think mine is >.>
Daemonchilde: ((Yours is no longer fluffy, it is Obliteron, destroyer of worlds))

 

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i want a thugs/empathy

fortitude is still the best buff in the game, and you can easily slot it to keep it up on three people at a time.

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Alas, with Pain Domination we're unlikely to get it.

Just seems to show how dumb the 'healer' mentality is, when Empathy has some of the best buffs.

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I think I might actually want /thermal instead of Pain for MMs. Shields + Heals + Thaw + Forge = win, no?

I know I can easily keep Forge on at least two or three people when playing my thermal troller. Having the extra to-hit and damage for Forge, with the survivability of shields AND targeted heals might just be overkill for MMs.

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Remember though, if and when MMs do get thermal it will be a watered down version that we know.


 

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No more than FF is watered down, I'd guess, and my FF MM works well enough. *shrugs* It's all just speculation though I guess.


Quote:
Daemonchilde: ((fluffy thinks he's a tank))
Demon . Hunter: (( I think mine is >.>
Daemonchilde: ((Yours is no longer fluffy, it is Obliteron, destroyer of worlds))

 

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indeed, my Thug/FF was an easy ride 1-50 as well. Regardless of how watered down, I'd still roll a necro/thermal in a heartbeat.


 

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Necro/thermal would be fun, but really, I'm waiting to make a Bots/Kin.

Or a thugs/thugs. Double gang war would be total overkill. Would also settle for a couple of control sets. Necro would go fine with Earth Control.

Also, waiting patiently for new MM set that has mini-MMs as pets. Killing by proxy of your pet's pet (and the tier 3 could have a pet-summoning pet of its own), sounds confusing, and like a chaotic mess. Just what I want to annoy teammates with.

(FYI, the above post was a joke.)


 

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Or a thugs/thugs.

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Only if the personal attacks were Quad Pistols.

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Also, waiting patiently for new MM set that has mini-MMs as pets. Killing by proxy of your pet's pet (and the tier 3 could have a pet-summoning pet of its own), sounds confusing, and like a chaotic mess. Just what I want to annoy teammates with.

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Each pet should also have Gang War.


 

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Each pet should also have Gang War.

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Yes. I am totally going to make a video where it is like that. I just need to head to a busy server and get 15 people to use gang-war in one place, and record it. I wonder if it would be possible with enough thugs MMs to rival a zombie invasion in numbers.