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Each pet should also have Gang War.
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Yes. I am totally going to make a video where it is like that. I just need to head to a busy server and get 15 people to use gang-war in one place, and record it. I wonder if it would be possible with enough thugs MMs to rival a zombie invasion in numbers.
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Uhm... Picture this: 8 thug masterminds, all using with their 6 pets, all using gang war at the same time, in an arachnos map. I've seen it. And I swear I heard my old graphics card cry when it happened.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
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Each pet should also have Gang War.
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Yes. I am totally going to make a video where it is like that. I just need to head to a busy server and get 15 people to use gang-war in one place, and record it. I wonder if it would be possible with enough thugs MMs to rival a zombie invasion in numbers.
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Uhm... Picture this: 8 thug masterminds, all using with their 6 pets, all using gang war at the same time, in an arachnos map. I've seen it. And I swear I heard my old graphics card cry when it happened.
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Well try 12 Thug MMs using Gang War in a hami raid with about 10 other MMs while people were spamming auras and attacks.
I know the map size matters, but it was hell in my book.
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Yes. I am totally going to make a video where it is like that. I just need to head to a busy server and get 15 people to use gang-war in one place, and record it. I wonder if it would be possible with enough thugs MMs to rival a zombie invasion in numbers.
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Uhm... Picture this: 8 thug masterminds, all using with their 6 pets, all using gang war at the same time, in an arachnos map. I've seen it. And I swear I heard my old graphics card cry when it happened.
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Well try 12 Thug MMs using Gang War in a hami raid with about 10 other MMs while people were spamming auras and attacks.
I know the map size matters, but it was hell in my book.
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Not just map size, but arachnos maps have long had a (justifiable) reputation for being laggy. It's not so bad now, but man was it horrid before. First time I got on a 8 mastermind team in an arachnos map we would order an attack, and no one could do anything due to lag till everything was dead (or we were).
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
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Each pet should also have Gang War.
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Yes. I am totally going to make a video where it is like that. I just need to head to a busy server and get 15 people to use gang-war in one place, and record it. I wonder if it would be possible with enough thugs MMs to rival a zombie invasion in numbers.
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Uhm... Picture this: 8 thug masterminds, all using with their 6 pets, all using gang war at the same time, in an arachnos map. I've seen it. And I swear I heard my old graphics card cry when it happened.
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Well try 12 Thug MMs using Gang War in a hami raid with about 10 other MMs while people were spamming auras and attacks.
I know the map size matters, but it was hell in my book.
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Not just map size, but arachnos maps have long had a (justifiable) reputation for being laggy. It's not so bad now, but man was it horrid before. First time I got on a 8 mastermind team in an arachnos map we would order an attack, and no one could do anything due to lag till everything was dead (or we were).
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Silly me, I forgot Arachnos maps induced the most lag of any indoor mission map.
Although I never understood why...
Could it have been the graphical design or the subtle cramped nature of the maps themselves?
I have a Thug/Dark combo. Only a couple of beefs with this combo;
1 - Dark's heal has a small radius and he thugs seem to always run out of it's range when i get them in range.
2 - When i get in close to the target for my pbaoe Def aura to buff the pets, they run out of it to engage the target at range. Especially the bruiser.
As a side note, this subject always seems to crop up every 6 months or so, but can the Bruiser's primary class be changed to have no ranged attacks? Make him an Axe or Mace user and the theme would sill fit.
If the good guy gets the girl, it's rated PG;
If the bad guy gets the girl, it's rated R;
And if everybody gets the girl, it's rated X
- Kirk Douglas
No. Leave the Bruiser as he is. He mostly melees since his AI code change and I'm happy with it.
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Not to mention there's times I'd rather he is chucking rocks and thus avoiding those melee attacks which will almost kill him 
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
The pet recharge nerf was supposed to fix the quirky AI in pets, including Genin, Jounin, Oni, and Bruiser. Bruiser still likes chucking his rock and the Ninja pets still get stuck in bad attack chains. All I have to show for it is a Lightning Storm that maybe gets off two or three attacks before I move on to the next room (i.e. a giant waste of endurance), a Gun Drone and Voltaic Sentinel (neither of which was particularly impressive) that can't really be improved, and a wasted slot in my MM for the Force Feedback proc. Oh, and my Animated Stone is still acting exactly like a rock. Sometimes he'll follow me around and sometimes he'll just stand there while everything whales on me.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
Originally the Bruiser was meant to have a king sized machine gun, but I guess they decided he were better off as a meat shield instead. The tier 3 pets arn't very good at it, if that is their primary function.
Good thing about Dark as a secondary, the pet follows my gang into battle where its heal power actually hits more often than mine, plus it has a few nice immob and hold powers.
The flame thrower attack is what makes the arsonist so suicidal I think, makes him run in close to use it. The trouble is he doesnt clear out after he has done it, making him prime target for devestating close combat attacks of some elite bosses.
If the good guy gets the girl, it's rated PG;
If the bad guy gets the girl, it's rated R;
And if everybody gets the girl, it's rated X
- Kirk Douglas
Actually some Tier 3 pets are not meant to be used as Meat Shields. The Bruiser is all around great when he gets into melee combining a good amount of Knockdown with a healthy amount of smashing damage.
For instance the Lich is more control and debuff rather than dealing damage and soaking it up.
Commando is somewhat of the meat shield, and can take that roll to th enext level if you waste a power slot on Serum.
The Oni is more control as well, but it's harder for me to determine his roll other than Damage/Control.
Pets function differently from Primary to Primary including the rolls of the Tier 3 pets.
Actually had an idea when i read that bit about the Oni being damage/control...
Suppose the arsonist were something of a minor fire controller, a few immobs and an acc debuff, or atleast swap out his flamethrower attack for one the doesnt require him to get in close combat eange.
P.S how good is the tier 3 robot? highest i have ever gotten a robot MM to is tier 2 pets before i got bored and deleted it.
If the good guy gets the girl, it's rated PG;
If the bad guy gets the girl, it's rated R;
And if everybody gets the girl, it's rated X
- Kirk Douglas
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Technically we *may* be getting Thermal.
Also heard rumours that /Sonic may be in the works...
Oh, and Pyromania makes one crazy as hell. Just take the TF2 Pyro for instance.
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Don't you tease me. 
I've been wanting /Sonic for MMs ever since Thugs/ came out.
Please don't tease me... 
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Technically we *may* be getting Thermal.
Also heard rumours that /Sonic may be in the works...
Oh, and Pyromania makes one crazy as hell. Just take the TF2 Pyro for instance.
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Don't you tease me.
I've been wanting /Sonic for MMs ever since Thugs/ came out.
Please don't tease me...
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Are you still waiting for that Super Strength stalker too?
>.>
*placates and hides*
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Technically we *may* be getting Thermal.
Also heard rumours that /Sonic may be in the works...
Oh, and Pyromania makes one crazy as hell. Just take the TF2 Pyro for instance.
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Don't you tease me.
I've been wanting /Sonic for MMs ever since Thugs/ came out.
Please don't tease me...
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Are you still waiting for that Super Strength stalker too?
>.>
*placates and hides*
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*looks around, puzzled*
Man, i could have sworn I heard someone mocking my AWESOME idea for a Super Strength stalker.
Man, where did they go....
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i want a thugs/empathy
fortitude is still the best buff in the game, and you can easily slot it to keep it up on three people at a time.
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Alas, with Pain Domination we're unlikely to get it.
Just seems to show how dumb the 'healer' mentality is, when Empathy has some of the best buffs.
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I think I might actually want /thermal instead of Pain for MMs. Shields + Heals + Thaw + Forge = win, no?
I know I can easily keep Forge on at least two or three people when playing my thermal troller. Having the extra to-hit and damage for Forge, with the survivability of shields AND targeted heals might just be overkill for MMs.
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not really. even with decent resists, most mobs will still one shot your t1 and t2 pets. defense is king for mm's on the pets. resists is king on the mm itself due to bodyguard.