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I have somewhat softened my stance on SB lately and usually keep my mouth shut about it when on an outdoor map, on a non-melee character. Melee people still hate it as much as they ever did.
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Which melee people are these?
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Ones with junky computers and ones that don't know how to play. 
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I am playing on a new computer, thanks, and I've been here for three years. You have never teamed with me. You know nothing of my playstyle.
I find your post unnecessarily combative and, frankly, rude. This type of post is one thing that makes these forums a lot less fun than they could be.
Pollice verso.
FS is your force multiplier. It take normal damage dealt and jacks it thru the roof. It makes melee guys just rip the guts out of whatever is around them. It makes having crack loving imps from hell worth the trouble they can cause. FS is the big block hemi that makes the fire/kin roll.
Once you get flashfire....worrying about the alpha goes away. My attack chain goes like this, Flashfire, Fire cages, Send in the Clowns...er..I mean imps, wait till the imps and melee guys are in the thick of it...then FS, Sipon power (I skiped Sipon speed) and then firecages again for all those nice "overpower's" popping over the bad guys heads (thats our controller version of a crit) ...check the team board....maybe throw a heal in and a transferance (end mod) and get ready to roll the next group.
Use char for leakers, or that annoying boss (char+sipon power+char again will get him locked down most of the time)...and cinders is either your "get away" power or a sub for flashfire in an emergancy (like double/triple aggro) or if you need a stun when FF isnt up.
I tend to just SB the main tank, or if sans tank, the 1 or 2 main melee scrappers. I try to keep an eye on the team and will bolster teammates who are struggling. If however I watch say a scrapper go thru his attack chain and see his end plummet to nothing, I know hes a moron and I tend to ignore his cries of "SB plz". Its up to you to decide how you want to play your toon.
I see my firekins as crowd control 1st, buffer 2nd, damage master of the universe a distant 3rd. I like to see neat packs of burning mobs with my teammates hammering them in melee....but thats just me.
Also a suggestion, get some form of knockback protection, I use both recipe prots and acrobatics....I came up thru to 50 prior to IO's and all that and got tired of being bounced across the room. The leadership pool also works well (and helps the imps)....hope you enjoy your firekin....I know I enjoy mine (plural)
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I have somewhat softened my stance on SB lately and usually keep my mouth shut about it when on an outdoor map, on a non-melee character. Melee people still hate it as much as they ever did.
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Which melee people are these?
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Ones with junky computers and ones that don't know how to play.
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I am playing on a new computer, thanks, and I've been here for three years. You have never teamed with me. You know nothing of my playstyle.
I find your post unnecessarily combative and, frankly, rude. This type of post is one thing that makes these forums a lot less fun than they could be.
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I was saying that a bit tongue in cheek, but really, I almost never encounter people that don't want speed boost. I know some people don't like it but I don't think it's that common myself. It doesn't bother me if people don't want certain buffs, I respect their wishes of course... but I've never had any problems with it, and it always kind of strikes me (no matter what buff we're talking about -- some people don't like ice or fire shields, etc.) as not wanting to be as effective as you could be.
But then, I took Repel on my fire/kin, soley because it's fun to play with. 
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I tend to just SB the main tank, or if sans tank, the 1 or 2 main melee scrappers. I try to keep an eye on the team and will bolster teammates who are struggling.
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That is probably what is going to happen over here, too; I see a lot of people using this tactic.
I do have a tendency to feel little pity for upper-level people who have not picked up Stamina, however. I don't view it as my job to babysit people who neglected the foundations for the "fun stuff." I will view demands for SB from such people with extreme prejudice. If you show up and are ready to rock, though, I'll keep you rolling for as long as I can. [That's what my /darks do, anyways.]
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My gawd these sets are as horrible on my end as /dark armor. It is truly amazing.... *goes to buy END stuff*
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And, if you want to be as nasty as possible, it's going to get worse before it gets better. Did you take Hasten yet? 
With Hasten and Siphon Speed, your END recovery will simply not be even close to the rate at which you are spending it.
And then, you will get Transference. *BAM* Full blue bar. It's quite similar to Transfusion, but 'heals' the blue bar instead of the green one.
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If FS does the same, I doubt I will keep it. The set has many other tools however, so I am open to experimentation. However this decision is a ways off, and I will need actual experience with it to make an informed decision.
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Attracted to the Dark Side you become...once down the path, never can you return...hmm, yes.
You will never regret Fulcrum shift. If your on a team, when its fired off you got a tank with aggro and you probably hit them with a AoE stun/hold, even solo its controls are the first thing I open up with then AoE cages, rush in and then drop fulcrum.
You may dislike SB, but Kinetics has Siphon Speed as well (think CoT maps) and combined with Hasten = non stop stunning, holding, burning mayhem.
So to the OP, good luck with Fire/Kin. Its like oil and water, I know you dislike +speed with a vengence, but my god Fire/kin is powerful and doesn't require to be pimped out with purples to pull it off.
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Next, SB is a short-lived buff but it's a really tremendous one. I know some Kins skip it but my belief is that if you can't cope with the idea of keeping a team of 8 SB'd then roll another set.
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I have to disagree on this. When I'm playing a kin on a team of 8, I do not try to keep everyone SB'ed. It's just too tedious. I prioritize anyone having END problems (I have about 95% endmod enhancement on it) and the highest damage-dealers.
Concentrating on keeping EVERYONE SB'ed means I'm spending less time doing other stuff. The control and damage I can dish out are massive.
Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
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I have somewhat softened my stance on SB lately and usually keep my mouth shut about it when on an outdoor map, on a non-melee character. Melee people still hate it as much as they ever did.
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Which melee people are these?
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Ones with junky computers and ones that don't know how to play.
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I am playing on a new computer, thanks, and I've been here for three years. You have never teamed with me. You know nothing of my playstyle.
I find your post unnecessarily combative and, frankly, rude. This type of post is one thing that makes these forums a lot less fun than they could be.
Pollice verso.
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I was saying that a bit tongue in cheek, but really, I almost never encounter people that don't want speed boost. I know some people don't like it but I don't think it's that common myself.
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The person you responded to is one of the ones that doesn't, and while many melee characters love Speed Boost, she doesn't... although apparently she's heading towards the light. 
And to B_I: Take. Fulcrum.
You're not a Fire/Kin Corruptor who only has mobility, +defense IO set bonuses, and "moar damage" to deal with aggro, you're a Fire/Kin Controller - what isn't mezzed won't be able to kill you before you kill it, since the buff(s) it provides are simply insane. Quite simply, if you have any AoE mez on a Kinetic (Controller, Defender, or Corruptor) then aggro generation is never an excuse.
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Coincidentally, I just rolled my first fire/kin the other day, mostly soloing her so far. I'm only level 8, though, so maybe my opinion isn't well formed. At these early levels, I find my self sending char at the biggest threat, then fire cages immediately. Then I cycle through my vet rewards, killing the easy ones first. I can duck around a corner when I'm low on endurance. That works really well, except when
1) char misses, or
2) fire cages picks up the group next door by accident.
So far, I haven't even found myself using transfusion or siphon power that much. The control chain with vet powers works really well. I just picked up hot feet, but if the reports of its endurance use are to be believed, I doubt I'll use it 'til much later.
So far, so good.
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only useless powers in a firekin build are repel, siphon speed, siphon life, and inertial reduction.
how do i know, though....
But Repel is just so much running-around-giggling fun!
--NT
They all laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a comedian.
But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!
If I became a red name, I would be all "and what would you mere mortals like to entertain me with today, mu hu ha ha ha!" ~Arcanaville
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Having gone 1-50 with a fire/dark, I honestly don't understand how anyone would skip Darkest Night. That's just pure, unadulterated lunacy. Who cares if it draws aggro when nobody can hit you.
Good to know my recent string of agreement with B_I has come to an end, I was starting to get a little worried.
I have a high level mind/kin controller, and kin is a super fun, if busy, secondary.
I'm more partial to fire/rad than fire/kin for some reason. Hit 50 with my fire/rad, never got a fire/kin out of Kings.
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I love fire/kin's, but they are painful to play pre stamina. Best bet is to play a Fire/Kin like a controller until you can get transference to help with your stamina. Pick up smoke, repel, and all that crap, then respec when you get transference.
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only useless powers in a firekin build are repel, siphon speed, siphon life, and inertial reduction.
how do i know, though....
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Repel is useless only if you are going for a farming build. Siphon Speed most certainly isn't useless, it give you +recharge and helps hit recharge cap so you can have perma hasten. Siphon life? You mean Transfusion? You can't skip that power.
And Inertial Reduction makes you JUMP! WHEEE! Yeah I agree with you there. That's the most useless power in the game.
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And Inertial Reduction makes you JUMP! WHEEE! Yeah I agree with you there. That's the most useless power in the game.
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Free vertical movement power, don't see nothing wrong with that. I have SS on my fire/kin but didn't have anything else to take at the time so now I stack SS with sprint slotted with a stealth IO but I use Inertial Reduction most of the time to get around the city. My big beef with it is the large endurance cost and short duration =/
Siphon Speed (when it doesn't miss) makes the pre-travel power levels much more bearable for getting around. It's a great way to prepare yourself for super speed (I've actually had a lot of fun zooming around Atlas, KR, and the Hollows with Siphon Speed going). And it also makes flight with the Raptor Pack bearable as well.
siphon speed + hover = super great combat movement power
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If you didn't get FS, you'd probably be the only Kin in the game without it. And you'd richly deserve the myriad of /kicks you'd earn. 
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Day 2: Level 11 so far, due to one abortive AE run [killed by half the team dying and refusing to hosp. This is a literal epidemic on AE teams, i have NO IDEA why everyone thinks it is ok to do this.]
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I've noticed this too. It's crazy because going to Hosp from inside AE takes all of 30 seconds AND you can stock up on insps for an extra 10 second investment. 
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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My attack chain goes like this, Flashfire, Fire cages, Send in the Clowns...er..I mean imps, wait till the imps and melee guys are in the thick of it...then FS, Sipon power (I skiped Sipon speed)
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One thing that's helpful is the Combat Attributes Monitor. Monitor Damage Bonus. Two stacked Fulcrum Shifts hitting a decent number of foes will get you to the damage cap. No need for Siphon Power except as a debuff against AVs.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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Next, SB is a short-lived buff but it's a really tremendous one. I know some Kins skip it but my belief is that if you can't cope with the idea of keeping a team of 8 SB'd then roll another set.
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I have to disagree on this. When I'm playing a kin on a team of 8, I do not try to keep everyone SB'ed. It's just too tedious. I prioritize anyone having END problems (I have about 95% endmod enhancement on it) and the highest damage-dealers.
Concentrating on keeping EVERYONE SB'ed means I'm spending less time doing other stuff. The control and damage I can dish out are massive.
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That's your prerogative. I manage to keep the entire team SB'd and keep them at the damage cap and keep them healed and neutralize mobs and do incredible damage. I can't help it if you're an underachiever.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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I do have a tendency to feel little pity for upper-level people who have not picked up Stamina, however. I don't view it as my job to babysit people who neglected the foundations for the "fun stuff." I will view demands for SB from such people with extreme prejudice.
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1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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only useless powers in a firekin build are repel, siphon speed, siphon life, and inertial reduction.
how do i know, though....
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Siphon Life?
Also, calling Siphon Speed useless is crazy talk. People pay tens of millions for LotG's for a paltry 7.5% recharge. One application of Siphon Speed is +20% recharge, the equiv of nearly 3 LotGs. With Hasten and 3 recharges in Siphon Speed it's easy to get 3 stacked in a mission, giving 60% recharge which can cost hundreds of millions to get with set bonuses. My Fire/Kin easily gets perma Hasten via Siphon Speed.
So in response to "how do i know, though" the answer is "you don't".
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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And Inertial Reduction makes you JUMP! WHEEE! Yeah I agree with you there. That's the most useless power in the game.
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Free vertical movement power, don't see nothing wrong with that. I have SS on my fire/kin but didn't have anything else to take at the time so now I stack SS with sprint slotted with a stealth IO but I use Inertial Reduction most of the time to get around the city. My big beef with it is the large endurance cost and short duration =/
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Except you can now take super jump and skip combat jumping ... Why not take SJ instead of IR? SJ doesn't wear off.
Edit: Of course, the next question is, why would you skip combat jumping?
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I do have a tendency to feel little pity for upper-level people who have not picked up Stamina, however. I don't view it as my job to babysit people who neglected the foundations for the "fun stuff." I will view demands for SB from such people with extreme prejudice.
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1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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I wouldn't know, because all of my people have the Fitness pool. 
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Except you can now take super jump and skip combat jumping ... Why not take SJ instead of IR? SJ doesn't wear off.
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Perhaps the person you are asking that has not been around anywhere near long enough to get that particular vet reward?
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Well yeah, but BI refuses to take darkest night on a dark defender (due to the aggro it draws), so skipping the AOE immbo and/or hotfeet and/or fulcrum shift seems about par for the course.
All of which are of course huge aggro magnets.
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No Darkest Night?
That's how a Dark Defender (with SuperSpeed) herds a room onto a corner Tar Patch. Fluffy jumps out yelling "who's on mah tar patch, byeeches!" adding his Darkest Night and tentacles. Now that the there's about 70% -ToHit on the crowd, the Defender appears around the corner, Fears them for another -25% ToHit and stacks Tar Patch for -60% Damage Resistance and whittles their hp ways with whatever AoE attacks they have cycling in the single target attacks for the bosses.
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See, but with all that stuff going on, who even notices that I DON'T have DN....?
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Well, if you'd actually read the post you'd have noticed that DN is what induced all the enemies to pile onto the Tar Patch with Fluffy, which is why there's all that stuff going on...
Moving on...
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