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Pretty sure it's aimed at EVERYONE and is pretty sound advice.
With the way GMs/CS have been going about, I WOULD NOT want to give them a reason to think that you are trying to fool around with them.
I would not mind losing an arc or even a slot.
Logically I think most would NOT want to lose their ability to use the MA at all, or even their ACCOUNT.
Just saying.
tl;dr: Don't F&*K with the CS/GMs.
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Quite frankly, I don't care. It's a game. Games come and go. I have no problems spending $15 a month on a game. The MMO market is so huge, if my account got banned for some obsocure reason, I'd just play a different MMO.
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This isn't obscure. This is you saying:
"I'm blatantly exploiting and advertising it. Haha, the GMs are dumb. Here's how to beat them. Aren't I a cool kid?"
'for some obscure reason' is malarky, you would know exactly why.
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The best way of dealing with this issue is petitioning in game to the GM's or emailing customer service. Explain the issue and work with them. They are actually fairly reasonable and most issues can be worked out.
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'for some obscure reason' is malarky, you would know exactly why
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Yes ... the reason would be "Because I farm"
If I am ever banned for that reason, I will happily find new waters to fish in.
Edit: And it more like "Look at me Dev's! I'm farming MA! Nyah Nyah Nyah"
I don't see farming as an exploit as long as the game allows it.
Thanks you all for all the posts. I hope this thread helps people with similar issues. After talking it over with my wife, we have decided to cancel our accounts and leave the mmo market for a while. We just couldn't get passed how NC Soft has chosen to deal with this issue. The fact remains, they handed people the tools, written directions, and let people do as they pleased. Now they want to punish customers because the dev team put out an unfinished product. Again thank you all for your help and good hunting.
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Thanks you all for all the posts. I hope this thread helps people with similar issues. After talking it over with my wife, we have decided to cancel our accounts and leave the mmo market for a while. We just couldn't get passed how NC Soft has chosen to deal with this issue. The fact remains, they handed people the tools, written directions, and let people do as they pleased. Now they want to punish customers because the dev team put out an unfinished product. Again thank you all for your help and good hunting.
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Someone please please explain to me ... Why would a company say "Screw you, your not getting your MA slot back" and risk the customer, such as alucarde, canceling not one, but two accounts, especially in the situation explained above. It's horribly bad buisness in anything.
I just don't get it. On the reverse side, I plow through tons of mobs, and get massive rewards for doing so, and have had nothing happen to me. I guess I'll just keep playing how I want to, and see where it goes from there.
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It's not that they didn't give back my slot. I waited two days for a response from customer service, besides the first one letting you know they are working on it. My wife and I just decided it was no longer a game worth playing. We beta tested CoH heroes, watched as they changed the game over and over. ED killed my wifes main, a regen scrap, none of our characters felt SUPER anymore. When I first played an MA mission it was like old times. Our characters were awesome again, we had a blast. I got a couple friends to resub, got my brother inlaw a copy to try, so actually it was six accounts they lost total. This was just the last straw of a string of bad things. We got tired of waiting for them to figure out what is "fun."
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Thanks you all for all the posts. I hope this thread helps people with similar issues. After talking it over with my wife, we have decided to cancel our accounts and leave the mmo market for a while. We just couldn't get passed how NC Soft has chosen to deal with this issue. The fact remains, they handed people the tools, written directions, and let people do as they pleased. Now they want to punish customers because the dev team put out an unfinished product. Again thank you all for your help and good hunting.
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They handed us some tools so it's not our fault for using them for things that we're not supposed to do? I don't agree with that, "personal responsibility" and so on.
Because of the above this is an unfinished product? I don't agree with that?
Not trying to flame you or anything, just calling things as I see them.
First of all, if anyone starting out in MA actually took the 'tour' from the contact provided (and actually read all of the info), one of the first NPCs on the tour explains that missions that use exploits or use copyrighted/offensive materials, may be subject to disciplinary action. It was not a big secret that farming missions that were set up for that purpose could be banned and repeat offenders could have their accounts banned. Saying that this was something that was changed by the devs after the fact is untrue.
The 'tour' was set up to explain how to use the system and to let players know that there would be consequences for trying to take unfair advantage of the system. I don't understand how so many people can say 'they never said we couldn't do it'. 
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Hi Folonius
It's not that they didn't give back my slot. I waited two days for a response from customer service, besides the first one letting you know they are working on it. My wife and I just decided it was no longer a game worth playing. We beta tested CoH heroes, watched as they changed the game over and over. ED killed my wifes main, a regen scrap, none of our characters felt SUPER anymore. When I first played an MA mission it was like old times. Our characters were awesome again, we had a blast. I got a couple friends to resub, got my brother inlaw a copy to try, so actually it was six accounts they lost total. This was just the last straw of a string of bad things. We got tired of waiting for them to figure out what is "fun."
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Sorry to see you go, but honestly if you can only have fun by playing the game on what ammounts to easy mode, then I won't miss grouping with you.
You say you didn't feel "super" any more and that's a fair critique, but honestly we've seen that complaint since day one. When a first level hero couldn't solo an arch villian we heard how we weren't super enough. When we had to earn our capes, we heard we weren't super enough. When ever they had to nerf something to bring it inline with something else, they felt less super.
I'm sorry you all poured money into playing with a broken system, the mass earning of XP on farm missions but I'm stunned that you'd think that was the ~intent~ of the Arc missions. But in honestly had to know they coudn't let the 8 hours to level 50 remain. You had to see that kind of XP inflation would not remain.
It's a reality that the goal of the developers is not to take away your 'fun' but to maximize fun for all people. I didn't have fun when I was grouped with a regen scrapper who was soloing maps designed for our entire team, even on the hardest difficulty. So where your fun got nerfed mine got buffed.
It's just too bad that you couldn't have fun with me...
Btw: Can I have your stuff?
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Thanks you all for all the posts. I hope this thread helps people with similar issues. After talking it over with my wife, we have decided to cancel our accounts and leave the mmo market for a while. We just couldn't get passed how NC Soft has chosen to deal with this issue. The fact remains, they handed people the tools, written directions, and let people do as they pleased. Now they want to punish customers because the dev team put out an unfinished product. Again thank you all for your help and good hunting.
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They handed us some tools so it's not our fault for using them for things that we're not supposed to do? I don't agree with that, "personal responsibility" and so on.
Because of the above this is an unfinished product? I don't agree with that?
Not trying to flame you or anything, just calling things as I see them.
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Agreed. That's like blaming a car manufacturer because someone used his/ her auto to wantonly run over pedestrians. There is an amount of common sense required from the operator to understand how to use a tool, and understanding the laws and "what not to do."
Now, regarding the definition of farming arcs and where the line was drawn, I'll agree that the line is vague, and probably for a reason (because if hard numbers were given, players would get as close to the edge as possible). However, as Mod8 suggested, the best recourse is to open a case with CS in the case of a banned arc, to get things straightened out. It's not a foolproof system, but rarely do such things exist.
Actually, I don't use the MA to farm, but I agree with the OP - the MA wasn't ready for release. Or, perhaps more accurately, Paragon Studios wasn't ready for the MA's release. They vastly underestimated the extent to which it would be used, and therefore also the resources they would require to manage abuse.
My own opinion is that people who create vastly inflated reward rate maps should be recruited by Paragon to help them rebalance the game. It desperately needs some help now that the mission designers are no longer explicitly tasked with keeping reward rates within the narrow band of existing PvE. Every ridiculous farm map has a game reward imbalance at its core - identifying and fixing them helps improve the game.
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One more thing to address the response of 'I'm gonna take all my marbles and go find someone else to play with that will let me cheat as much as I want'. Any MMO out there has rules about cheating the system. If you don't want to play by the establishment's rules, then maybe you should make your own MMO where you can cheat to your heart's delight. Just, don't get mad if some guy comes along and finds a way to beat you at your own cheating game.
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That's like blaming a car manufacturer because someone used his/ her auto to wantonly run over pedestrians.
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What an inane comparison.
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First of all, if anyone starting out in MA actually took the 'tour' from the contact provided (and actually read all of the info), one of the first NPCs on the tour explains that missions that use exploits or use copyrighted/offensive materials, may be subject to disciplinary action. It was not a big secret that farming missions that were set up for that purpose could be banned and repeat offenders could have their accounts banned. Saying that this was something that was changed by the devs after the fact is untrue.
The 'tour' was set up to explain how to use the system and to let players know that there would be consequences for trying to take unfair advantage of the system. I don't understand how so many people can say 'they never said we couldn't do it'.
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Farming is not an exploit or they would have banned KTF farms of the past; Heck i still farm Posi solo and that is not banned yet here we go I farm it. Speed ITF farms been on a few of those. Family farms ?
Guess what people are still farming MA
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So a player doesn't read the forums, adapts their behaviour to what they see literally thousands of other players doing without repercussions, does nothing self-evidently exploitative (like hacking local MA files or flying outside the map), feels they have been treated unfairly, and the response of the community is "good riddance, you dirty cheater"?
For shame.
In general farming was never the issue, it was frown upon and limited by TPTB The problem was finding and using exploits in an arc that gave more XP/ect. than desired. It was farming those arcs with the exploits that is the problem. And since they cannot give us metrics on farming, then they have to treat all farming is bad publicly.
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First of all, if anyone starting out in MA actually took the 'tour' from the contact provided (and actually read all of the info), one of the first NPCs on the tour explains that missions that use exploits or use copyrighted/offensive materials, may be subject to disciplinary action. It was not a big secret that farming missions that were set up for that purpose could be banned and repeat offenders could have their accounts banned. Saying that this was something that was changed by the devs after the fact is untrue.
The 'tour' was set up to explain how to use the system and to let players know that there would be consequences for trying to take unfair advantage of the system. I don't understand how so many people can say 'they never said we couldn't do it'.
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Farming is not an exploit or they would have banned KTF farms of the past; Heck i still farm Posi solo and that is not banned yet here we go I farm it. Speed ITF farms been on a few of those. Family farms ?
Guess what people are still farming MA
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I never said that farming for decent xp alone was the problem. Farming that uses exploits of the system, by artificially inflating xp, etc., is. If someone finds a way to do that, then cries foul, they have no reason to complain about getting smacked with the banstick. I don't buy the 'I'm sweet & innocent' argument that they didn't know it was against the rules. If you play a game without reading the rules, then you have no reason to complain when the rules are enforced by the powers that be, IMO.
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I never cheated. The only thing that I did that I thought was even questionable was put in only ltnts. I made them all martial arts and regen, both at highest difficulties. I later dropped their difficulties and brought them back up again. What made my character feel super was surviving hordes of baddies, it was fun. As far as I know the only thing I did wrong was put farming, xp, and tickets in the description. I had created ones that were exactly the same but with different attack types, one for fire and one for ice. I also put in treasure chests to open for badges and finally four rikti computers to end mission any time you wanted so you could get bonus tickets.
Normally there were three of us playing. We all had tanks, save my wife, and we all had blaster, except me. We would get two level 50s and sk the new character. Usually I with my tank and my wife or friend with a blaster. My tank would taunt and they would melt. The only thing we had to do was make sure the new char had hover. Now what made it tricky and both fun was I added ambushes to the protect objectives. We would get hordes of characters, anywhere from 10 to 20 on top of what was there, with just the three of us. Some times there would be two or three chars stacked on each other. It would take us at least two hours to do one mish. I later removed the protect objectives from the fire and ice based ones and that's when people started playing them. I had 50 to 53 plays on each one before one of them was banned.
Teltsar, now that you have some information you may call me a cheat. It won't change the fact that they lost accounts over it or that they put out content yet again without thinking. How many people do you think are making missions similar to mine right now who have never come to the message boards before? Do you think it is possible for players to break their as yet undefined rules without even knowing it? Yes it is, I did it.
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Teltsar, now that you have some information you may call me a cheat. It won't change the fact that they lost accounts over it or that they put out content yet again without thinking. How many people do you think are making missions similar to mine right now who have never come to the message boards before? Do you think it is possible for players to break their as yet undefined rules without even knowing it? Yes it is, I did it.
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By using the system as you could you were not cheating. However, you had to realize that tossing in things "just for badges" and setting it up for easy ending (and thus bonus tickets), that you were starting to bend the rules.
And you know you can still make those arcs. You can still fill a map with minions set on Extreme, and you can still find ways to spawn hordes of them. If you really want to "feel super" you can do it.
But you wont' get piles and piles of XP or tickets for it any more. So you quit.
If all you cared about was 'feeling super' you could do that. You could wade through hordes of enemies. Heck you can do that just by saying "hey, let's see if we can get 3 mobs at once' and then chain pull. But you wouldnt' be getting the boku XP so you quit.
And taht's fine. No one is making you pay your money but I think if you ask any of the developers if they feel they made a mistake closing these loop holes because people like you quit, they'll probably say that the game at large is better off with out.
either way: Can I have your stuff?
It is insane to think someone is going to run to the message boards to check to see if what they are doing with their MA mission is OK by the devs if the game allows you to do it. Nothing I did looked to me like I was exploiting a bug. I simply made a mission I thought people would want to play so I could get extra tickets and badges.
I quit because of how they handled the issue, not because of how fast my characters were leveling.
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It is insane to think someone is going to run to the message boards to check to see if what they are doing with their MA mission is OK by the devs if the game allows you to do it. Nothing I did looked to me like I was exploiting a bug. I simply made a mission I thought people would want to play so I could get extra tickets and badges.
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That's your call but I can tell you honestly that even without the boards I would have recognized that hyperinflated XP and tickets were going to get smacked down on and down on hard.
You say you didn't know so you want the slot back. I have a feeling that they'll give it on appeal. But you don't care to do that. You'd rather pick up your cape and go to greener pastures.
That's your call. But you honestly won't convince anyone here that you didn't know you'd get in trouble.
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Heh .. That's what I thought to, but I usually just ignore crap like that.
I honestly didn't know, but that's okay. I did open a ticket and waited two days for them to respond, like I said in one of my other posts. That's when I came to the message boards to see what info I could dig up. Read Positrons posts and after talking it over with my wife we decided we did want to play the game anymore.
Okaaaaaay. Well, my question's been answered, so I'm out of this thread. Thanks, people.
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