Banned Missions


Alari_Azure

 

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When Mission Architect was released I wandered what type of missions I should make. I ran some searches and several caught my eye. These missions advertised there design as not a story but good for exp and ticket farming. Well hey, I thought, great idea, everyone wants to level their characters, earn badges, get tickets. What better way to get people to play missions? So I made three of them and I advertised just like the others. I log in a couple days ago to find one of my missions banned. The reason being "This mission was blocked because it was advertised or set up as a farming mission. By farming mission, we mean missions designed for the purpose of accumulating things like experience, tickets, or badges as quickly as possible, providing unintended statistical advantages to people who repeatedly run the mission. Missions of this nature aren't allowed and will be blocked by our staff. " So I unpublished all my missions and deleted them, except the banned one, you can not unpublish a banned mission.

I removed all the content from the banned mission and started up an actual story line. Create a rough draft of some but not all the custom characters. Had the chat in for starting the mission and decided it was time to get to bed, it was a week night. The next day I get another email stating that my mission was again reviewed and will remain banned because the changes I made still made it possible for people to farm. I got the email on my phone, was actually out fishing with the brother inlaw. When I finally get some time to log into CoH and see what other changes I can make I find that my banned mission did not republish. Atleast not all the way, all the custom characters that I removed were back, all the mission objects I removed were also back. The only thing that did publish was the text describing the mission and contact text.

Does anyone know how to work on a banned mission, save the info on your computer and republish? As it stands I have deleted all the content and republished with nothing but a defeat boss goal. Assuming the old content doesn't magically reappear again.

Also if the GM could give us a little bit more info. The advertising as a farming mission I understand but simply saying that a mission is a farming mission without pointing out what makes it a farming mission doesn't help much. "providing unintended statistical advantages to people who repeatedly run the mission" Please explain how I did this so that I can avoid doing it again. Don't just slap a ban on the mission and send me a general email.

This is not a complaint, I am asking for help. Please do not take this the wrong way.


 

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Contact support. When a mission get's banned, iirc, you get one shot to republish and they'll review it, if it's still bannable then no more slot for you.

This is obviously a giant hole in their system of thinking, since you cannot update from local files to a published file, you cannot to any kind of massive edits in one sitting.

Contact support and let them know what you had been intending to do, everything you told us just now. If they hand wave you, ask that your ticket be elevated. This will get fixed.


 

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Thanks for the post Awesome. I didn't know you get one chance to republish and then the slot is gone. Is this information listed somewhere?


 

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If you haven't already seen it, Positron's original post on the topic is here.


 

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You can read Positron's posts about it here and here.


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Great minds running in the same track.


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Thank you for the links Mirai and Telstar. I don't much read the forums unless I have issues. Wish I knew about this before. I did open a ticket hoping to get this resolved. Thank you all for posting.


 

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If a mission has a complaint against it, and you think it has the potential of being a farm, save it locally, unpublish, and republish it, and the complaint is gone.


 

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If a mission has a complaint against it, and you think it has the potential of being a farm, save it locally, unpublish, and republish it, and the complaint is gone.

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I don't think that works if a mission has been banned


 

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Thanks for the post Folonius. I don't really care about the mission, just want my slot back. This was the first time I got into collecting badges and the mission was really just for getting badges and tickets. I erased my non-banned farm mission the second the other one was banned. I should have read the patch notes I guess, I didn't know I was doing something wrong. I will again just ignore badges, I was never into killing x amount of y, but I got a couple badges in AE and decided to try to get them all. Anyway, thanks for the posts guys.


 

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I'm a little surprised the GMs are still instructed to ban badge farms, when the badges are all getting removed from the game in the next patch anyway. I don't see an upside to it.


 

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Actually farms are more than just for badges, they are also for low-risk accumulation of tickets and XP.

That's why they are still being targeted hard by GM's.


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Bless your devious heart sir! Although ironically, my completly blatent farming mission started racking up badges for play-throughs and positive ratings within half an hour of being published, while my original, story-oriented, extremely challenging arc has yet to be reviewed even once (I have no way of knowing for certain if anyone has even played it). Anyhoo, that little piece of irony not withstanding, I think i will do exactly as you suggest from now on.


 

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The problem with MA not saving all of your edit changes is known to players, it's happened to me many times and to others as well (it comes up on forums and MA channels often enough), but I've not seen it acknowledged by developers.

Good luck.


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Bless your devious heart sir! Although ironically, my completly blatent farming mission started racking up badges for play-throughs and positive ratings within half an hour of being published, while my original, story-oriented, extremely challenging arc has yet to be reviewed even once (I have no way of knowing for certain if anyone has even played it). Anyhoo, that little piece of irony not withstanding, I think i will do exactly as you suggest from now on.

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What a great idea! I'm positive that would work. Once.

As a teacher when someone pulls a fast one on me to circumvent the rules I'm impressed. When they repeat that fast one I'm insulted.

Doing this twice might mean a ban.


 

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Just out of curiosity, I have an arc with ONE complaint on it that it received way back in its earliest drafting/playtesting. It has somewhere around 50 ratings, and a rating in the 4-star area, as far as I can tell. The "complaint" is simply a post saying, "Oh, because this arc didn't spawn X number of bosses and such on a high difficulty, it might be bugged!" As far as I can tell, the arc is A-OK, and it has played well on almost every run I've taken through it, with or without multiple players.

SO here's my question. . . Two parts. Do complaints ever go away, without unpublishing arcs, and is there a hard, "this is it," maximum number of complaints one can have before an arc is banned?

Thank you in advance for your time.


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Bless your devious heart sir! Although ironically, my completly blatent farming mission started racking up badges for play-throughs and positive ratings within half an hour of being published, while my original, story-oriented, extremely challenging arc has yet to be reviewed even once (I have no way of knowing for certain if anyone has even played it). Anyhoo, that little piece of irony not withstanding, I think i will do exactly as you suggest from now on.

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What a great idea! I'm positive that would work. Once.

As a teacher when someone pulls a fast one on me to circumvent the rules I'm impressed. When they repeat that fast one I'm insulted.

Doing this twice might mean a ban.

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The first ban is automated, and is based on the number of ratings, and the number of complaints. When you republish, it is then reviewed by a live person. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's how it goes. I did have a farm mission banned awhile ago, before they started locking slots for it. The first ban said it was removed. I republished it as is, and was banned again, but it gave a specific GM name as to who banned it the second time.

I doubt anyone would even notice if you completly redid the arc so it wasn't a farm mission if it was banned once.


 

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Just out of curiosity, I have an arc with ONE complaint on it that it received way back in its earliest drafting/playtesting. It has somewhere around 50 ratings, and a rating in the 4-star area, as far as I can tell. The "complaint" is simply a post saying, "Oh, because this arc didn't spawn X number of bosses and such on a high difficulty, it might be bugged!" As far as I can tell, the arc is A-OK, and it has played well on almost every run I've taken through it, with or without multiple players.

SO here's my question. . . Two parts. Do complaints ever go away, without unpublishing arcs, and is there a hard, "this is it," maximum number of complaints one can have before an arc is banned?

Thank you in advance for your time.

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The first ban is automated and determined on the number of ratings vs. the number of complaints. I don't know what the exact ratio is though before it's banned once.


 

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Thank you, Folonius. Knowing the ratio would be nice, just to ease the mind, of course, but I seriously doubt I'm going to get any more complaints on THAT arc.

Thanks for your time!


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I'm going to be less subtle: I highly recommend AGAINST playing GMs for fools. If one of them should look at your incident history, they may decide to reprimand you for persistent rule breaking.


 

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Pretty sure it's aimed at EVERYONE and is pretty sound advice.

With the way GMs/CS have been going about, I WOULD NOT want to give them a reason to think that you are trying to fool around with them.

I would not mind losing an arc or even a slot.

Logically I think most would NOT want to lose their ability to use the MA at all, or even their ACCOUNT.

Just saying.

tl;dr: Don't F&*K with the CS/GMs.


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Pretty sure it's aimed at EVERYONE and is pretty sound advice.

With the way GMs/CS have been going about, I WOULD NOT want to give them a reason to think that you are trying to fool around with them.

I would not mind losing an arc or even a slot.

Logically I think most would NOT want to lose their ability to use the MA at all, or even their ACCOUNT.

Just saying.

tl;dr: Don't F&*K with the CS/GMs.

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Contrary to popular opinion, they can probably see a lot more historic info related to people's accounts than most people may realize. If they think you are trying to do an end-run around them, they will probably not hesitate to mightily smack you over the head with the banstick. In that case, you would have no one to blame but yourself and, if you went looking for sympathy, you'd probably be told where to find it in the dictionary, between 2 words that I probably can't post here.


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Pretty sure it's aimed at EVERYONE and is pretty sound advice.

With the way GMs/CS have been going about, I WOULD NOT want to give them a reason to think that you are trying to fool around with them.

I would not mind losing an arc or even a slot.

Logically I think most would NOT want to lose their ability to use the MA at all, or even their ACCOUNT.

Just saying.

tl;dr: Don't F&*K with the CS/GMs.

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Quite frankly, I don't care. It's a game. Games come and go. I have no problems spending $15 a month on a game. The MMO market is so huge, if my account got banned for some obsocure reason, I'd just play a different MMO.