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Kind of like how saying Bloody in the U.K. is like dropping an F-bomb here.
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Lolz. Who told you that? This Englishman occasionally uses bloody in polite company.
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To bloody right we do!
To the New Zealander Bloody is about as offensive as dammed, blasted or flaming. You use it to emphasize other words. Like Bloody Heck! ro "that was a bloody good tv show" for example
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I assume people reported it for being a farming mission. Weather or not that is against the rules I don't know.
What power sets did you give these "easy kills"
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Certainly the GMs are locking obvious farms as soon as they find them. Read into that your own interpretation.
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Kind of like how saying Bloody in the U.K. is like dropping an F-bomb here.
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Lolz. Who told you that? This Englishman occasionally uses bloody in polite company.
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Now spaz, that can get a game banned 
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This banning with no oversight is kinda chilling. People are worried about 1 star bandits. What if a group goes around and hits the report button x number of times? on an arc that has been getting 4 and 5 stars up to that point? Banned no oversight. Better luck in your repost?
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For me, farming wents is a lot easier and faster than farming critters. My needs are comparatively small and simple,though.
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Which isn't against the rules.
This banning with no oversight is kinda chilling. People are worried about 1 star bandits. What if a group goes around and hits the report button x number of times? on an arc that has been getting 4 and 5 stars up to that point? Banned no oversight. Better luck in your repost?
Yeah this guys arc doesn't sound especially appealing to me. I don't like farming. some do. It's their thing. I find it hard to think that a alot of people entered his mission on the first day and reported this as explicit content. I also find it hard to believe a GM would manually close it down without sending and EMail (in game or out ofgame) Explaining why and possibly providing a warning about not doing X again.
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First, for players reporting content, nothing happens until at least 5 people report it. Then it is unpublished. You have the chance to edit it and re-publish. You don't even have to actually change it, just open the mission up and save it again. Then it takes 5 more reports and a GM will examine it to see if it actually does violate any rules. If it does, it gets pulled again and you start interacting with GMs.
Second, It was a farm mission, and he called it a farm mission in the title and description. They have explicitly said no farm missions allowed, which is why MA missions will not give you any non-MA badges. I do know of a couple of people that have created missions for farming MA badges. But they do not call them farm missions. And they are not planning on leaving them up when they get their badges.
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You made a farming map for quick ticket gain and specifically boasted its easy kills, and you're surprised that they removed it?
I'm kinda speechless.
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Really I think its all in the story content. If you cant create a mission with even the slightest regard for vocabulary of any sort which tells a story, or explains why, it should be considered a bannable farm mission. Just placing foes on a map and saying "farm it" means its definately going to get axed.
I played 2 missions yesterday, One was given by a "Farmer Pete" (not the real contacts name) who asked for help in farming his vegtables. Inside was an instanced Croatoa map with custom baddies all with nearly the same powersets. It got banned. It was actually fun for a one time run through.
Then I played one that was a 2 mission arc that was battling Hot Peppers. But the hot peppers were different. The minions were fire scrappers. The Lieuts were Fire blasters, and the Bosses and Elite Bosses were very tough and called in reinforcements.
I actually dont think either mission should have gotten banned. They were both fun.
But I can see the first one getting stale quicker. Why? No story, no reason to do it more than once. All the baddies had were melee attacks.
A hovering blaster decked out with AoEs could do that entire mission without a chance of being touched.
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Second, It was a farm mission, and he called it a farm mission in the title and description. They have explicitly said no farm missions allowed, which is why MA missions will not give you any non-MA badges. I do know of a couple of people that have created missions for farming MA badges. But they do not call them farm missions. And they are not planning on leaving them up when they get their badges.
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Prove it.
If it's out there then prove it. I have not seen a word about farming missions from the devs. Was this said in closed Beta? If so are we supposed to magically know what is and is not "appropriate" based on what a few people on these forums seem to be pulling out of their rears?
It doesn't really matter I suppose. Even if it is said buried out there somewhere; content that is getting banned needs to have the reasons for the ban stated. Especially in the complete absence of rules regarding use of the MA. Outside of the EULA of course. They do not stop Farms now. They do close exploits that make farming easier. a simple name change on this arc isn't going to change anything about how fast tickets or Xp will be gained. If that is the issue then that is what should be addressed. Other than that This banning makes no sense whatsoever. HE did not use any word that is vulgar or copyrighted. Nothing is accomplished by banning this arc. Nothing changed. What was the point? What was the exploit?
EDIT: And It only takes 5 people reporting it to get it removed? and people are worried about 1 star bandits.
I'm of the mindset that to each his own but methinks you were reported by the anti-farming fascists that play this game.
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Tell you what show me an arc that doesn't provide a statistical advantage.
For your sake I hope the devs never stop short.
I had my arc banned after 22 people played it (I got the Author badge to prove it.)
Mine was probably banned for the same reason, as it had "Farm" and "Tickets" in the title.
But that also calls to question:
1 What if I make a bunch of custom critters that look like ducks, chickens, cows, goats and pigs.
2. I take said custom critters, and put them in an outdoor map.
3. I make the mission "defeat all"
4. And call it "Your Ticket to the Animal Farm Revolt".
Would that be banned?
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I thought that MA was specifically designed so you "can't" farm?
If the GM are so against farming, why don't they silence all the people in Atlas in broadcast "sewer team forming for farm"?
I'm not upset that mine was banned, as I did put it up there to get the two badges (publishing an arc with custom boss, and early bird), but it had something to do, and I could always expand it later.
Plus, it was using one of my published slots, and getting banned did not release the spot as I had to unpublish it myself.
just some thoughts.
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I thought that MA was specifically designed so you "can't" farm?
If the GM are so against farming, why don't they silence all the people in Atlas in broadcast "sewer team forming for farm"?
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Well the thing of it is... They get to decide what they allow and disallow, so they can ban MA farming and not feel compelled to ban sewer farms. It's still their choice. And banning one does not constitute a need to ban the other.
The mission architect content is made so we can make our own game content to play, not turn it into a utilitarian tool to simply progress in a business model fashion. There are some that DO use it as part of their business model, and that is where the thwarting efforts should be. But you can probably see there is very little difference between a korean business farm and a player wanting to get a lot of easy stuff farm.
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Which isn't against the rules.
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It is.
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The key here is "unintended statistical advantages". Now it's likely debatable whether this map really did that, but the keywords "farm" and "easy kills" is going to set off alarm bells for GMs looking for such things.
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Second, It was a farm mission, and he called it a farm mission in the title and description. They have explicitly said no farm missions allowed, which is why MA missions will not give you any non-MA badges. I do know of a couple of people that have created missions for farming MA badges. But they do not call them farm missions. And they are not planning on leaving them up when they get their badges.
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Prove it.
If it's out there then prove it. I have not seen a word about farming missions from the devs. Was this said in closed Beta? If so are we supposed to magically know what is and is not "appropriate" based on what a few people on these forums seem to be pulling out of their rears?
It doesn't really matter I suppose. Even if it is said buried out there somewhere; content that is getting banned needs to have the reasons for the ban stated. Especially in the complete absence of rules regarding use of the MA. Outside of the EULA of course. They do not stop Farms now. They do close exploits that make farming easier. a simple name change on this arc isn't going to change anything about how fast tickets or Xp will be gained. If that is the issue then that is what should be addressed. Other than that This banning makes no sense whatsoever. HE did not use any word that is vulgar or copyrighted. Nothing is accomplished by banning this arc. Nothing changed. What was the point? What was the exploit?
EDIT: And It only takes 5 people reporting it to get it removed? and people are worried about 1 star bandits.
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Try actually reading this post. Especially the 6th bullet point under Code of Conduct Reminders. Then there is this post from Positron at the bottom. Is that explicit enough for you? Remember, they consider farming at least semi-exploitative behavior, that is why they have made so many changes to limit or stop it over the years. (And I am not saying I agree or disagree with this, just that it is the way things are.)
Then there are the non-explicit things, like the fact that nothing in MA counts toward any non-MA badges, specifically so that people can't farm them. You really think that they would do something to prevent farming, then ignore any other farming behavior if they find it?
And you are right, it doesn't matter if it is out there explicitly. As Zombie Man and Uber Guy point out, they reserve the right to pull any content, for any reason.
As for needing 5 people to get an arc pulled, if there is nothing wrong with it, just put it back. If it gets 5 more reports, it gets looked at by a GM and if there is really nothing wrong with it, nothing happens. Well, to the arc. I would bet they will look at the people doing the content reporting to see if they are maybe harassing you. Since they do keep records of stuff like that. (Actually, I am not certain it is pulled automatically after the 5. It may have been looked at by a GM at that point too. But I did not receive anything from a GM in Beta until the second round of 5 reports.)
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You can't farm non-MA badges with it, but there is no real way to prevent someone farming tickets or MA badges unless the GMs see the mission. The OP's problem was calling direct attention to his farm mission. As others have pointed out, all he needed to do was give it the veneer of an actual mission to avoid the ban, unless a lot of people reported it.
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2: A GM has probably been issued an order to ban obvious farm missions. They might just be searching for the word 'farm' and banning away, before getting down to the business of playing random arcs and trying to analyze how they are constructed (which will take years, no exagerration).
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1: PM Ex Libris and Hero 1
2: A GM has probably been issued an order to ban obvious farm missions. They might just be searching for the word 'farm' and banning away, before getting down to the business of playing random arcs and trying to analyze how they are constructed (which will take years, no exagerration).
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Yeah in an ironic turn of events, the GM's got an easy kill off this one.
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saying Bloody in the U.K. is like dropping an F-bomb here.
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What? Who told you that? It's not that bad. Dropping an F-bomb in Blighty is like dropping an F-bomb in the US. Saying Bloody fairly minor. I could say it in fron tof my granny no problem for example. maybe someone elses granny, i'd have to think first. Bloody is on TV in the UK before 9pm all the time. I even think Ive seen it on childrens tv.
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Bloody is on TV in the UK before 9pm all the time. I even think Ive seen it on childrens tv.
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I had my arc banned after 22 people played it (I got the Author badge to prove it.)
Mine was probably banned for the same reason, as it had "Farm" and "Tickets" in the title.
But that also calls to question:
1 What if I make a bunch of custom critters that look like ducks, chickens, cows, goats and pigs.
2. I take said custom critters, and put them in an outdoor map.
3. I make the mission "defeat all"
4. And call it "Your Ticket to the Animal Farm Revolt".
Would that be banned?
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Been there, done that, had it banned.
Actually it was "OLd McDonalds Farm" and it was a farm mission because it was on a "Farm". (Croatoa map)Apparently somebody didn't get the joke.
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