Gaussian's Synchronized Fire Control Proc

I'll try an state things a little differently, you looking for DPS, place in Tactics
looking for control burst put in BU or Aim. looking for both put in Follow up

All are perfectly fine ways of doing it and in each case they do have there
own quirks. As its a sloting question there realy is no wrong answer, only
the desires of the one doing the sloting realy matter.

To mad scientist, though I'm in the tactics crowd myself I can compleatly
understand the aim/bu crowd, and though they won't get the porc's we get
there is deffinaly a logic to there sloting.

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I submit we may need to call upon the powers of someone who regularly quantifies things in a mathematical fashion.

*thinks for a moment.....

*Rubs the Arcanaville lamp

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I submit we may need to call upon the powers of someone who regularly quantifies things in a mathematical fashion.

*thinks for a moment.....

*Rubs the Arcanaville lamp



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I dont have arcanaville's resume but I do have an accounting degree,
and work as an auditor. Course this dissution realy is a matter of
personal prefference, most of those posting that aim/bu is better for
them do say that in tactics it will fire more. And atleast some of the
tactics crowd do agree that pin point accuacy of when the trigger is
activated (as much as you can for a 5% to triger proc) can be help-
ful for spiking.

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To mad scientist, though I'm in the tactics crowd myself I can compleatly
understand the aim/bu crowd, and though they won't get the porc's we get
there is deffinaly a logic to there sloting.

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I'm not saying there's no benefit in biuld up.
What I'm saying is the argument "it's in a toggle so it gets wasted when I'm sitting at the market" is completely irrelevant!
Addressing the merits of where you slot it, or if you slot it at all, is fine. Dismissing it out of hand because of a mistaken perception of toggles is wrong.
(You will note my very first reply in this thread was because of the phrase "when you're not in combat".)

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The only time I've ever slotted it was in TT:Leadership, for the set bonus. I honestly couldn't tell you if it's ever gone off or not. I don't care.

-DR

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What I'm saying is the argument "it's in a toggle so it gets wasted when I'm sitting at the market" is completely irrelevant!

(You will note my very first reply in this thread was because of the phrase "when you're not in combat".)

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I think most with half a brain are in the "that's a given" camp on this one.
The context of "not in combat" is the time between mobs. Not at the market. Not in your sg base. Not respecing. Not logging out. Between mobs and just before/after you engage in combat, is more the context of this discussion as I see it(which obviously doesnt make it right, just saying ).

When it fires off 7 seconds before you go into the next mob, its wasted....or two seconds after you finishoff the last of a mob and are moving on to another mob 7 seconds away, its wasted. And now you could have to wait....how long, until it fires again exactly when you dont want it to?
Quality over quantity, that's the discussion, not whether the proc is wasted when standing around with ur thumb in your ear.

My position is a frugal one, in that I dont want the proc to have so many wasted opportunites to fire while I'm "about" to enter combat. I wanna take my "roll" when I'm actually engaging someone.
If you can quantify the math to show me why the more conservative approach is not as good as putting it in tactics, Im open to it. I just dont believe tactics is as good because of all the uncontrolled fires you have, all the times it fires early or late, or fires when you r buffing before mobs, or fires when you are using powers that do no dmg.....just so many dang chances for it to proc when you get no benefit

I'll definately hear you out, I just dont see how you could quantify all those variables. Slow team, fast team, putzie team, military team. Mobs far from on another, mobs close by each other. Travel time between mobs and/or missions. How long is the mob alive each encounter, are they fast mob wipes or are they somewhat sustained fights with each mob.......just makes my brain melt, lol.(not that it takes much)

If I don't have an aim/bu power then yes, I would put it in tactics if it made sense on a build.

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Currently have this and the Decimation proc on my WS build. The Decimation proc is much better than this proc even though they have the same probability and bonuses. I am of the opinion it is great when it procs, but its not likely that I will ever notice it.

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The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.

I have it in Tactics on my Controller and can honestly say I have never felt it go off... maybe it has and I just never noticed it. Is there ANY sort of graphical indication? Buff icon, build up sound/effect, anything?

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I have it in Tactics on my Controller and can honestly say I have never felt it go off... maybe it has and I just never noticed it. Is there ANY sort of graphical indication? Buff icon, build up sound/effect, anything?

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Nope. Just monitor your damage bonus. It works wonders.

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Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
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I have it in Tactics on my Controller and can honestly say I have never felt it go off... maybe it has and I just never noticed it. Is there ANY sort of graphical indication? Buff icon, build up sound/effect, anything?

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If you look at your info page, where it shows "Set Bonus", after all of the Small Improved Regeneration Bonus, Medium Recharge Time Bonus, etc. look for a "Boost Up" set bonus to appear.

Oh, and I don't think the info page refreshes on its own.

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How effective do you think it would be if you placed a Gaussian: Chance of BU in Tactics and a Decimation: Chance of BU in a fast activating attack?

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How effective do you think it would be if you placed a Gaussian: Chance of BU in Tactics and a Decimation: Chance of BU in a fast activating attack?

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It would help some, but not a ton, at that point it would likely be worth it though.

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Thanks Electora.

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This older thread seems on topic for my issue...

I just slotted this Gaussian BuildUp Proc into my PB's Build-Up click, and I'm wondering if that was a mistake. I replaced a Recharge with it, and so have lost about 5 seconds on my Build-Up's Recharge (went from 45 sec to about 50).

Those lost five seconds seem more valuable to me than the measly 5% chance I might get a little xtra Oomph when I fire it now, and I'm thinking of putting a Recharge IO back in its place.

So, leave Gaussian BuildUP or replace it?

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I wouldn't recommend replacing recharge with it. After all, you not only slowed down how often BU comes back, but how often the new proc gets to check for activation. Definitely not worth it in my opinion.

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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

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I have it in Tactics on my Controller and can honestly say I have never felt it go off... maybe it has and I just never noticed it. Is there ANY sort of graphical indication? Buff icon, build up sound/effect, anything?

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Nope. Just monitor your damage bonus. It works wonders.

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It also shows up in the "Healing Delivered" channel, or something like that which also includes buffs and debuffs, but that can be really hard to manage since all of your mezzes will probably have output to that channel as well. For a troller, I prefer Adjusted Targeting's +Acc and +Rech bonuses to Gaussians bonuses, but I don't have a high-dmg or high def troller build.

I have Gaussian's Proc in a PB Nova form. I basically almost never get it during combat, and the 5 second duration makes it minimally useful. 5% is just really, really low. I've seen it proc twice in a row, but ONLY if I'm marketeering.

I have another Gaussian's Proc in a stalker's build up (it would be here anyway for the 6/6 All pos def bonus). Once or twice, when I BU+AS, the boss just dropped in 2 hits. For me, that's also fairly minimally useful.

With a 5% chance to proc, I feel like the delta in efficacy between BU and tactics is irrelevant compared to its infrequency of proccing to begin with. If I had mad recharge, and BU was up faster, that would weigh things towards it.

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I wouldn't recommend replacing recharge with it. After all, you not only slowed down how often BU comes back, but how often the new proc gets to check for activation. Definitely not worth it in my opinion.

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Hah, what I figured... Oh well, what's a few million Inf flushed away

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From reading this thread, I can only assume those in the "I only want that one chance of it going off for 45 seconds!" camp must hit their click, then if the proc doesn't go off, wait 45 seconds and hit it again, and if it doesn't go off, wait 45 seconds and hit it again...etc.

Otherwise it's as wasted as they're saying it is in a power that checks for the proc every 10 seconds. Heck, it's more wasted. I'd rather have almost 5 times the chance it'll go off and be useful than hope it goes off at the beginning of a combat when I hit BU/Aim. After all, it's not as if it has limited charges and gets wasted if it goes off in the middle of an attack chain without even interrupting it :P

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That's understood. However, I am more interested in it having a high probability of being especially useful than I am of higher frequency of aribtrary activation. I only ever activate powers like BU or Aim when I know I am about to hit something worth hitting very hard or hitting a lot of foes at once. I have no interest in something that might every now and then go off on something I don't really care about doing extra damage. I'd rather know that when it goes off, it's going to be on something I really wanted to hit hard anyway. If I'm going to spend a slot somewhere, that's how I want it spent.

Frankly I find this proc not worth my time in either. The only power I've found it especially beneficial in is a fast-recharging click power like Follow Up.

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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

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There is one power that I can't fault anyone for a second for puting this proc in "Follow up" (or other simmilar powers). These click powers that are less then 20 seconds without sloting are insanely great places for this proc...

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This. If you have Follow Up, throw this proc in it.

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There is one power that I can't fault anyone for a second for puting this proc in "Follow up" (or other simmilar powers). These click powers that are less then 20 seconds without sloting are insanely great places for this proc...

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This. If you have Follow Up, throw this proc in it.

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Well, unless you also have tactics, and want it 6 sloted for
the bonus (like my night widow)

Yes in Follow up its insaine, its not bad in a toggle
and is silly in a long rechage power like BU or Aim.

(course made better in a toggle if you want the def )

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I have it slotted in BU on my Archer. It doesn't happen often, but watching it proc right before Rain of Arrows just makes me giggle like madman... of which I am NOT!

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This older thread seems on topic for my issue...

I just slotted this Gaussian BuildUp Proc into my PB's Build-Up click, and I'm wondering if that was a mistake. I replaced a Recharge with it, and so have lost about 5 seconds on my Build-Up's Recharge (went from 45 sec to about 50).

Those lost five seconds seem more valuable to me than the measly 5% chance I might get a little xtra Oomph when I fire it now, and I'm thinking of putting a Recharge IO back in its place.

So, leave Gaussian BuildUP or replace it?

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Depends whether you want more damage or more defense. If you have the full set, that's +2.5% to Melee, Range and AoE. If you want more damage, stick with the recharge. The proc fires so infrequently it's only ever good for the full set bonus.

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This older thread seems on topic for my issue...

I just slotted this Gaussian BuildUp Proc into my PB's Build-Up click, and I'm wondering if that was a mistake. I replaced a Recharge with it, and so have lost about 5 seconds on my Build-Up's Recharge (went from 45 sec to about 50).

Those lost five seconds seem more valuable to me than the measly 5% chance I might get a little xtra Oomph when I fire it now, and I'm thinking of putting a Recharge IO back in its place.

So, leave Gaussian BuildUP or replace it?

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Depends whether you want more damage or more defense. If you have the full set, that's +2.5% to Melee, Range and AoE. If you want more damage, stick with the recharge. The proc fires so infrequently it's only ever good for the full set bonus.

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It's not terrible in Tactics and Follow Up.

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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm

just want to point out you can get BU down past 30 seconds.

But honestly all the arguements are flawed simply cause slotting is up to the person and its only wrong if that person isn't getting what they want from the power.

As some one who has had it slotted in both a toggle and a click and now has it removed from my build I have to say from my view point it was a waste of a slot either way. But many people swear by it and its thier right to do so. Its what ever YOU want from your build.
The best person/place to ask advice about your build or procs your intrested in is some one you trust from your play group rather then the forums. The only thing reliable about asking questions here is that it will start a pointless arguement and/or start a whos got a bigger EPEEN contest.

If you dont know anyone you can talk to then the best thing you can do is copy over to test server and try the proc out there for your self. I have a couple copies of my scrapper there so im bound to have the proc so i can give you for your testing.

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Kaoru Nan'drak 50th seasoned Broad sword/regen werewolf scrapper Justice
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