I meant that I think the issue was less the actual holding them for the authorities and more screaming obscenities/beating them while engaged in doing so. There are at least a half a dozen cases a month across the US at minimum of people holding intruders/attackers at gunpoint while calling the police, all of which are legal.
However, if once you detain them you begin to physically abuse them without provocation, that is an entirely different matter.
That is how I am looking at this case, at any rate.
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This is true, and definetly the meat of the subject. If any of the allegations of beatings are true then there are issues there. Personally I doubt it happened, the last thing you want to do is get close when you have people at gunpoint, distance is your friend. But that is an issue for trial, and an interesting one at that.
Should be careful not to assume to much. For every decent human being out there that would treat them civilly, there's another that would take delight in beating the crap out of them for kicks while he waits. And, since we weren't there.. ?
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Here's what Wikipedia has on a citizen's arrest. But that's not the point I was making. My point was that you can't detain someone who is unwillling to be detained unless you use force or have some kind of power over them. This guy has less authority than a mall cop. A mall cop likely has video surveilance to use as evidence or find you again and the perception of authority because he has a badge and a uniform. (Perception is a huge component in "authority." It's why you might call one person a "natural leader" and not someone else.) A mall cop also works in an environment where there are many other people and the social mores to assist him. While it's certainly possible, it's unlikely that a group of people is going to try and resist by beating him down in the food court. And the people the mall cop brings in may well be known by others in the community and they wouldn't want to make an embarrassing scene.
This guy has a gun and he's alone and likely rounding people up at night. They don't know him, they don't know anyone else in the area and have no ties to the community or any reason to feel social pressure to back down. While many have been willing to be detained, likely because, hey, possible crazy guy with a gun, he risks the chance that a group will figure out they can overpower him and run. No one knows them, they have no documentation, they're going to be hard to find again. He may be telling them that the police are just over there a ways or something else to make them think he has more power than he really does, I don't know. He has a gun and is probably good at intimidating people, which will work on some as a form of authority, but I think he's been lucky so far.
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Lance Armstrong's $10,000 bike stolen in Sacramento; three teammates lose theirs
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By Ed Fletcher
Published Sunday, Feb. 15, 2009
How's this for boosting Sacramento's world image?
Sacramento police are looking for leads in a high-profile caper: The case of Lance Armstrong's missing $10,000-plus time trial bike.
Early this morning, officials from Armstrong's Team Astana and Armstrong himself reported on their twitter.com feeds that the one-of-a-kind black and gold bike that he used Saturday in the Sacramento prologue and three other teammates' bikes were stolen from a team truck.
"Bad way to start the morning ... Bikes stolen from the truck last night," reads the Team Astana feed.
As the police began their investigation, the race rolled on. It started at noon in Davis, and was to end 108 miles later in Santa Rosa. The race has most of the greatest riders in the world, but Armstrong, a seven time Tour de France winner just returning from competitive cycling, is the rock star.
The bikes were stolen from an unmarked moving truck parked in the alley behind the Residence Inn at 1501 L St. between 10 p.m. Saturday and 6:45 a.m. Sunday when the theft was discovered, said officer Konrad Von Schoech, a spokesman for the Sacramento Police Department.
No other vehicles break-ins were reported, said Von Schoech.
The case has been assigned to a detective and officers are in the process of collecting and reviewing surveillance footage from the Residence Inn and nearby businesses.
Von Schoech said it's possible the thief or thieves were not targeting Armstrong.
"We don't have any information that would indicate they specially went after his bike," he said.
Armstrong, who could not be reached prior to the race, posted a picture of the bike on his twitter feed writing: "There is only one like it in the world therefore hard to pawn it off."
The police were contacting local pawn shops just in case.
Von Schoech said it was "very unfortunate" to have something like this happen while the world is watching.
"This is not just a property crime ... these bikes are in the thousands and thousands of dollars," said Von Schoech. "This is definitely different: this is a high-profile victim, during a high-profile event, and a high value object."
Hooray for YouTube, where you too can become a celebrity overnight if you're willing to do something completely and embarrassingly stupid.
HK woman's airport hysterics an online hit
Mon Feb 16, 4:34 am ET
HONG KONG (Reuters Life!) A Chinese woman who freaked out at Hong Kong's international airport after missing her flight has hit the big time on YouTube after her hysterics were filmed and uploaded to the video sharing website.
The middle-aged woman was seen charging at a security guard at the departure gate, before screaming "aieyyahhhhh," at the top of her lungs in a rant that lasts about three minutes.
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The woman, sprawled on the ground, was seen wailing. An elderly man travelling with her tried to pull her to her feet but she shouted in Cantonese: "I want to go, I want to go."
Cathay Pacific said it had already closed the aircraft's doors and had offloaded the woman's baggage, and so was unable to allow her to board the flight to San Francisco.
"Don't be so upset, don't be so emotional," a male Cathay Pacific staff member is heard saying on the video.
Cathay Pacific said the incident occurred earlier this month, and the video appeared to have been loaded onto YouTube late last week. By Monday, the "woman going insane after missing her flight video" had over 400,000 hits.
In 2006, another sensational outburst by a stressed-out Hong Kong man captured the imagination of many people in this fast-paced, money-obsessed, Asian financial capital.
The middle-aged man, who chastised and swore at a youngster in a six-minute-long diatribe aboard a double decker bus, was dubbed "Bus-Uncle" and a video of the incident received close to two million hits.
His quote "I have pressure, you have pressure" became a catch-phrase and sparked navel-gazing at the pressure that many over-worked Hong Kong citizens suffer.
As for the woman at the airport, Cathay Pacific said it put her and her two travel companions on a later flight to Los Angeles, at no extra cost.
(Reporting by James Pomfret, editing by Miral Fahmy)
Now imagine if she did that INSIDE the sealed metal tube with wings!
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Huckleberry Haven, Inc. of Kalispell, MT is voluntarily recalling the chocolate covered peanuts they package in Novelty Poop bags
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- February 5, 2009 -- Huckleberry Haven, Inc. of Kalispell, MT is voluntarily recalling the chocolate covered peanuts they package in Novelty Poop bags, because the chocolate covered peanuts packaged by Huckleberry Haven, Inc. have the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella. The Chocolate Covered Peanuts packaged as Novelty Poop were packaged using peanuts recalled by Peanut Corporation of America. The peanuts from Peanut Corporation of America have the potential to be contaminated with Salmonella. Salmonella is an organism, which can cause serious and sometimes fatal infections in young children, frail or elderly people, and others with weakened immune systems. Healthy persons infected with Salmonella often experience fever, diarrhea (which may be bloody), nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain. In rare circumstances, infection with Salmonella can result in the organism getting into the bloodstream and producing more severe illnesses such as arterial infections (i.e., infected aneurysms), endocarditis and arthritis.
The Chocolate Covered Peanuts that may have been affected were packaged in red, green, black, white, or brown paper bags and contain 4 ounces of Chocolate Covered Peanuts. The product label on the front of the package may read: Bear Scat, Bear Poop, Moose Droppings, Buffalo Chips, Deer Droppings, Dino Eggs, Cow Pies, Cow Patties, Fish Eggs, Dino Eggs, Osprey Poop, Lizard Eggs, Monster Eggs, Chicken Coop Poop, Prairie Dog Pebbles or Crew Rations.
UPC labels may be found on the following packages; Bear Scat (UPC=725901311801),
Fish Eggs (UPC=725901311870), Deer Droppings (UPC=725901311849), Osprey Poop, (UPC=725901311917), Lizard Eggs (UPC=725901311924), Monster Eggs (UPC=725901311931). Please note: Not all packages will have a UPC label.
All potentially affected Chocolate Covered Peanut packages will have a white ingredient label with black lettering for the Ingredient and Allergy information and purple lettering for the Company information located on the bottom of each package. See label example below.
Milk Chocolate Peanuts
Ingredients: Peanuts, Sugar, Cocoa Butter, Cocoa Powder, Whole Milk Powder, Chocolate Liquor, Lecithin (an emulsifier), Vanilla and Confectioners Glaze.
Allergy Information: Contains milk and soybeans. This product is manufactured on equipment that processes peanuts/nut.
Huckleberry Haven, Inc. * Kalispell, MT 59903
(800) 774-8257 * www.huckleberryhaven.com
All future non-affected Chocolate Covered Peanut packages will have a white ingredient label printed in all black lettering located on the bottom of each package.
The Chocolate Covered Peanuts that were packaged as Novelty Poop Products were distributed through specialty, resort retail stores in the cities listed below. (You can go look them up....I won't include that part here)
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The Salmonella is a bad thing, but I'm more disturbed by the fact that any company has an entire line of feces-themed candy products.
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Poo themed candy? Ew! No wonder there's a samonella problem! 
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But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!
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It's really [censored] how they dumped their senseless crap on this thread. Wading through this [censored] almost knocked me off my stool.
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Agreed. And I don't know enough about that to judge one way or another. Of course, the issue then may become "how do you detain someone (or a dozen someones) for arrest if you have no real power." This guy has detained many people over the years, apparently. They were probably all afraid because he had a gun, sounded scary, and presented himself as someone who seemed to have authority. Once word gets out that he has a gun he'll go to jail for using, I doubt people are going to allow themselves to be detained. He'll go from detaining people for arrest to being a fist-shaking "Hey, you kids get off my lawn" guy. That doesn't seem like the best solutuion, either.
How do you detain someone when you have no authority, you don't know the name of the person you're detaining, the person has no known address, and the person likely has little or nothing to lose? If you do it with a gun, the person at the other end of it needs to believe that there's a real probability you'll use it. It seems to me this guy is pretty lucky. Depending on proximity, a group of people desperate enough probably could take one guy down and get away, gun or no. Most of them probably have families back in Mexico they want to send money to and think seeing them again is worth letting this guy hold them. He just needs a few who don't feel that way and he's in more trouble that a lawsuit.
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He's got the same authority to detain someone that a store security or mall cop does when they detain someone thats shoplifting.
WIth this guy, holding multiple people at gun point for invading his property is the only way to keep them detained. What he does to them while they are detained could definetly have him on the line, if he did anything questionable. "causing severe emotional trauma" though is a very very weak charge since it could be argued that having to cross inhospitable terrain to illegally enter the united states could also cause "severe emotional trauma", does that mean they every illegal gets to file a lawsuit against the country?
The case is very interesting and it will detail how far someone can go to protect private property and whether or not a citizen can detain someone while the authorities arive.