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Guys post this kinda of stuff, and now I know why the methods I used when this market first came out just aren't profitable. Nice job moron. This is one of those things that once a more then a handful try to utilize it, it just isn't as effective.
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Guys post this kinda of stuff, and now I know why the methods I used when this market first came out just aren't profitable. Nice job moron. This is one of those things that once a more then a handful try to utilize it, it just isn't as effective.
[/ QUOTE ]lol, you do realize this guide was posted almost seven months ago, right? And it's not the only one of its kind? In fact, there are other guides with more information contained in them? And that getting big profits off the market is not rocket science, and many people figured it out without a guide? This just makes it more accessible to those less inclined toward marketeering (*raises hand*).
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@EarthDragon.
Not only what Aggelakis said, but as the author of said guide, I keep a pretty close eye on
the subject of it...
It *still* works just as well as the day I wrote it - either side, any level.
If you read some of the early dissenting posts that claimed the same DOOM, you'd find that
my responses outline exactly *why* it doesn't happen...
I won't say it can't ever occur - goodness knows what the Devs might change, but even with
I13 merits, which effectively killed all but L50 IO supply and I14 AE tickets which tanked
salvage (prior to the most recent changes), this method has been chugging along very
nicely, thank you very much... 
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
you can always profit, nothing to fear.
say you read this and get smart, thinking "im gonna sell my stuff between vendor and table price to attract buyers and still make a profit!"
all that means is that your **** wont sell, because there will be one **** up who thinks he is being so smart by low balling everyone, not realizing he is selling under vendor because theyre an idiot.
there is never a shortage of idiots no matter where you look, you just have to take advantage of them.
...i feel dirty.
Just flipping a certain piece of uncommon salvage got me to 10 Million at lvl 10. No running back and forth. No extraneous work. Just taking advantage of those who see fit to sell low and buy high. I feel no shame whatsoever. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Just flipping a certain piece of uncommon salvage got me to 10 Million at lvl 10. No running back and forth. No extraneous work. Just taking advantage of those who see fit to sell low and buy high. I feel no shame whatsoever. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Yep, same.
I went to a new server and rolled a new char, had 8 million by level 8. It's just sitting there on Pinnacle.. in case I ever play that server. Love the system. But i play the market in every game I play. 
To the OP - Great guide. It's a great way for *many* people to make some decent inf. Being broke in games can be discouraging. More power to everyone who takes the time to play this strat.
Started doing this earlier this week. I'm basically on the same pace as the OP. I've played the markets in most MMO's I played. There are always people who don't take the time to realize the value of what they're selling.
Heck, the same thing exists in real life. My partner spends a lot of time on Ebay and is constantly amazed at people willing to buy something on the auction for more than they would spend on the same item at Walmart.
As my dad used to say, any deal where the both seller and the buyer are satisfied with the terms is a good deal. So I don't feel bad at all.
I started off running some easy AE around level 14 and stocking up on tix. Then I was using the tix on 30+ bronze recipe rolls and selling those like 10% over vendor and selling every one without waiting, I was sitting on 33mil by level 27.
I found this post and was amazed at how stupid I am, lol. I took about 10 minutes to bid about 28 mil worth of level 45 recipes. Went on a few TF's actually got 2 levels and ignored the WW messages. After the KHTF a rikti invasion, getting the Lusca badge and a respec TF I ran to WW to check. I won everything. After a few trips back and forth to get and sell everything I quadrupled my inf without even trying, I am sitting on 129mil now.
Amazing 4, thanks :P
gud stuff!
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
9 pages, but I just wanted to point out that this is not a strategy that has to be limited to recipes, it could be regular Enhancements as well. That's a technique I often use to raise quick cash, although not in the millions.
The issue of drying up the supply, I think, depends on the amount of time you are willing to wait. There will always be SOMETHING on the market you can sell back to the store for a profit, it's just a matter of either taking the time to find it, or just placing your orders and waiting for them to be filled.
I think that there will probably always be those who want to unload their drops on the market for a cheap price, because they already have plenty of inf and don't want to be bothered with it. If it helps someone who doesn't have a lot of inf raise some, then so much the better. If it is actually USED for what it's intended and the buyer gets a good deal (which allows him to do better in the game and earn more drops you can then buy on the cheap) then even better.
I buy from the market for the Enhancements that I use, too, and I'm glad they are cheaper than the store. I can't always find everything I need, but I can usually save enough that I can outfit myself totally, when before I probably would have left the least important powers with some Enhancements in the red.
IMHO, it's not really taking money out of the system, it's making sure it runs smoothly.
I play the market in every MMO that i play, and this one was no different. i got the game a week ago (was level 14) and i had 150k infamy.
I read this guide and figure it was going to be something i could do once in a while, and for little return (being that there is no reason for so many people to put recipes in there for under what they can sell them for at the shop that's 100 yards away)
Level 14 - 150k
over the weekend i went out of state, and logged on when i could to redo my BM and sell what i had gotten. after the weekend i had about 3m (about 30 mins of gameplay)
Once i got back home i learned how fast i could level in AE and started doing that, using the money i made to get more recipes and so on.
im level 34 now and have 25m + with less then 4 hours spent buying and selling.
the only thing that i have come by at this point, is that i spend 5-10m on recipes and then my spots are full. so i can only flop that 5-10m and not the whole 25m
but right now im looking for better items to flop, be it buy low sell high, or another buy and sell to shop.
Thank you for the figures that got me started, im going to use this money to make more, and then that to fund myself and my SG
Nice guide.
I've been around for a while so 10 mil wasn't a big deal for me, but I wondered who bought all those recipes. I assumed it was ppl wanting the crafting recipes. This does drive up prices of recipes some, but it also creates a nice market for those who want to get the BM sell badges for recipes (and possibly enhances) like me who have excess inf so don't care much what a lvl 50 generic recipe sells for.
BTW: For one toon on a new server I cleaned up when AE was going strong by buying random common salvage for 6 tickets and selling it for 10-100K apiece. Made at least 100 Mil from it.
Four, don't let the nay sayers get you down. Your not exposing anything new, this is a standard strategy that works in games, because It works in real life too.
People who are opposed to it, are generally opposed to anyone else getting ahead. The shoot the rich type. The Govt./devs need to fix it etc...
You were correct in your opening, but I'll expand on it.
"The only reason people are poor in the game, is because they want to be."
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Actually, since it has been a full year since this guide was published, there
is absolutely no doubt that it works exactly as advertised, even though
we're now on Issue 16. Simply put, the naysayers were wrong (exactly
as I outlined in the very early responses to the original publication).
I was actually going to drag out my original L6 guy just for another 10M
nostalgia run
but it just so happens that I re-visited the strategy whenI started a couple new characters during the recent double XP event.
They both quickly earned over 20M (with common IO's fully slotted), so
once again, it continues to prove perfectly viable.
As a clarification to many of the other posters along the way, you know,
and I know there are a LOT of effective money making ideas, most of
which are discussed in other marketing guides or the marketing forum.
My goal here was to present just one, effective strategy, in extensive
detail, for casual players or market beginners who want to dip their feet
(safely and successfully) in the marketeering pool.
Where they go from there is purely up to them...
Cheers (and happy guide anniversary)
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
Good guide - clear and concise.
Clearly this is NOT an exploit or against the rules. The Devs knew there would be people who would maximise the markets to their own advantage. That's what any free market is all about. It's the basic principle of capitalism = supply and demand.
If you're feeling grumbly about it either ignore it, or use it to your own advantage.
Thelonious Monk
Fantastic. I always struggled with making money on new characters. I hate bothering to transfer inf. from older characters and that's not even an option sometimes (such as when making the first blue- or red-side toon on a server). The markets provided me a decent source of income selling my drops, but it was always a pain trying to get enough to buy those shinies like KB protection IOs for my /fire brute.
I just tried this on a lowbie (level 12) with about 200k, and made around 500k in about ten minutes. Yes, it still works.
Thanks, 4!
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My Level 33 Brute is now about 25 mill richer thanks to this guide (7 months later).
Plus I made another 14 mill by first crafting and then selling a -Knockback IO which dropped when I finished a mission yesterday too (instead of 8 mill for just slapping it up as a Recipe as I'd normally do). THen, to celebrate I bought a Forced Feedback Recipe and crafted it for Shockwave.
Thanks 4. As a way to get a chunk of Inf to start Frankenslotting my Brute this is a godsend!
Fourspeed is correct. This works.
Patience pays a dividend.
Best part, in my opinion, is that there is no risk. No fee for putting up or withdrawing a bid.
There are ways to make more money, but they tend to involve more risk.
www.paragonwiki.com is a great source of information for this game.
New or returning to the game? Want advice from experienced players who want to help YOU?
The Mentor Project: Part of the New Player Council.
Funny thing is when AE was going strong, I thought for sure the prices of generic IO recipes would skyrocket, since fewer people would be doing their freak farms and do AE instead where recipes don't drop, and the opposite happened! (at least for level 50 recipes)
Before AE, it was hard to find the more common 50 recipes going for under 80,000 but then it dropped to an average of about 40,000. And this was for accuracies, damages, recharges, etc... Go figure. The supply dropped (I think), but prices also dropped. I figure the demand had to have gone up, as everyone was pl'ing their alts to fifty in AE, so... why did the recipe prices fall??? AE made the non-marketeer richer, which should have made them bigger buyers. I figured people would be rushing to the market to get IO's, thus driving up prices. (the prices of the crafted enhancements did go up)
It seems there's no stopping this technique. It's so simple that I missed it. I do believe, however, that the recipe drop rate is waaaay too high (for generic IO's and yellow set IO's). So high, in fact, that freak farmers can practically keep this method afloat permanently. In 45 mins of farming, I can fill my 29 slots easily. That's a lot of recipes I'm dumping just to get that final sell 7000 items badge. Once I get that, Ima gonna sell them at stores cause I'll get double what I'm getting at WW.
This is the reason why the CoH market is messed up and oddly enough it's one of the reasons why the RL market is messed up. Should I be laughing or crying about this?
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This is the reason why the CoH market is messed up and oddly enough it's one of the reasons why the RL market is messed up. Should I be laughing or crying about this?
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No. No, I don't think so.
The subject here is COMMON IOs.
I use this vendoring trick to "nest egg" lowbies. I use it as a "fire and forget", rather than an agressive manner (and I'd make more if I were). As such, most of my lowbies have between 20 and 50 million by the time they hit 20 or so.
At that point, I move on to more profitable niches.
And, in all the time I've been doing it, I have yet to drain the supply.
Were he talking set IOs, I'd be in agreement.
If your argument is "But I'd get it cheaper if you guys let that stuff build up and didn't do this". My reply is "well yeah, but this is not a store".
If you want cheap commons, plan ahead. Use the same strategies the vendor-runners do, bid low and wait. It's quite nearly zero effort. And if you bid stacks and only keep one? Well, the IO pretty much paid for itself at that point.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
When the market and IOs came out in issue 9 I had 8 million influence total. Nowadays I have somewhere around 20 billion.
No matter how much you have to start with, there is a way to make more influence via the market.
In game poverty is merely a result of lack of effort - therefore if you are poor you have no right to whine about it.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
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This is the reason why the CoH market is messed up...
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In actual observation, this strategy has minimal (if any) effect on the market.
Since common IO recipes are available from a "store" (ie. crafting table)
in addition to the market, there can never be a true shortage of the recipes
for people that actually want to have the shinies. Further, the fixed table price
also ensures that market prices are reasonably stable at all times, which
they have been since I first published this guide back in 2008.
Too rare? Buy one from the table. Too expensive? Buy one from the table.
Common IO's (especially L50 ones) are essentially a surplus good in terms of
their market behaviour.
So, I re-iterate: What is the basis for your comment?
Regards,
4
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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Likely it's a nasty little four-letter word associated with the color green.
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infer the word troll, at least...
I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
Light is faster than sound - that's why some people look smart until they speak.
For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
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Dude, there are plenty of niches out there that are profitable. You just need to find them.