Be More Positive: Reduce Trash Talking
By
Aisynia,
Posted on: 2008-04-22 23:52 in Everything about PvP
My take on trash-talking is that if you are busy typing you aren't pvping.
Have to agree the tone has gotten really ugly though. There was a time it was more good-natured.
Personally I feel some power changes have contributed to the negative atmosphere. Now the zones have turned into tp gank zones.
My impression is that most trash talking usually is the result of someone being tped into a hole they can't get out of or into a box and ganked.
TP foe is the only power I have ever wanted to see get a major nerf (or better yet gotten rid of completely). I think it would improve pvp in general... but hey, that is only my opinion. :-)
trash talking is full of WIN .
if ya think otherwise well your dumb as [censored]
showing your behind and ticking people off is the way togo
dont believe me on this win theory?
heres
Proof
kthxbai
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trash talking is full of WIN .
if ya think otherwise well your dumb as [censored]
showing your behind and ticking people off is the way togo
dont believe me on this win theory?
heres
Proof
kthxbai
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Poor Sportsmanship Is Poor Sportsmanship.
kthxbai
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trash talking is full of WIN .
if ya think otherwise well your dumb as [censored]
showing your behind and ticking people off is the way togo
dont believe me on this win theory?
heres
Proof
kthxbai
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Poor Sportsmanship Is Poor Sportsmanship.
kthxbai
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this is zone pvp anything goes.
the main rule is there is no rules
whats funny is so many threads pop up complaining about zone pvp in general.
ill go threw the list and try too add some enlightenment
poping in general.
yes people pop its a sad fact...ya died...complain on forums
fail
.solution pop back .
watch the people that where poping suddenly say omg you popper !!!....they die
win
trash talking in zones
sit there get greifed.. listen to the whining..language ...complain on forums
fail
while listening to the grief either decided to ignore person with a click on there name"suprisingly ya could do that before except ya had to type /ignore player name" .
if the language gets bad theres also a language filter .
ya could turn off villian/hero chat
if all that doesnt work ya could waste a gms time by sending a petition .
or talk back to the person and get in there face ...which is fun ..ever watch rocky?
by the end of the movie ya want the 'bad guy" to get his butt kicked because he kept talking trash ...imagine rocky if it was good game .would you like to duel kind sir?
win
xxx class is overpowered
fight agaisnt xxx person get killed complain on forums
fail
fight agaisnt xxx person get killed grin and bare it "read on the forums" learn the different attacks and classes find out each stength and weakness adapte and build or respec.
every class has an advantage and a disadvantage..
droning
your near a opposing faction base ...get tped ...killed.. complain on forums
fail
your near an opposing faction base and decided hmm i may get tped so ill decided to stay away and wait for them to come out...even though theres 15 of my people sitting in front of there base and only one of the enemie in there base ...ill still decided to stay back or maybe ill go pick up some orange inspiration for that just in case
Im hunting for badges in a pvp zone i get killed complain on forums
fail
I get killed will hunting badges while in a pvp zone...thinks well i cant complian .
i guess i cant pull out a boombox at the local libary and listen too my fav song...so ill just finish up and be on my way ....then ill go take a book to a local club and complain about the music being to loud
win
Im super fair in zones i dont pop i want to duel i get killed alot by xxx class and i dont like the trash talk while hunting badges
so ill go complain on the forums
fail
read steps above.
either i goto the arena with friends
or stay out zones
so i wont complain on the forums
win
kthxbai
Honestly, although the tone is harsh, I have to agree with the above.
Although I wouldn't break up a duel in a PvP zone, I would have to agree that I'd hardly have room to complain if it happened to me. It's a PvP zone, after all. I could have an uninterrupted duel in the arena if I wanted.
Really, I think the only "bad form" is TPing someone into a large mob or a group of mobs with no intention of attacking them personally, just to watch the person get defeated with debt. Although it would certainly teach one to carry some oranges around 
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Anything goes tactics is mostly acceptable, being a dick in broadcast/request/arena or private tells is not.
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Epic potential right here.
I'm tempted to simply copy+paste various responses to this as it's come up so many times before, but *meh*
Honestly, the trash-talking is mostly from those with the least amount of skill who've found the scissors to their rock, the paper to their scissors, or the rock to their paper, and have been worked over by everyone esle in the zone. They need the people that you bring into the zone to feel good about themselves.
So god bless you, sir. You're doing the zones a service. You keep the trash-talkers coming back by coming on the boards and whining about *your friends* getting pwnt by them.
The rest of us will keep farming you both.
Or, you know, you could've spent the amount of time you wasted making this post and actually instructed *your friends* on how to get better, how to ignore the broadcast-smacktards, how to research better power-choices, how to counter certain obvious ploys, how to work together, how to not PvE and actually embrace the dynamic world of PvP.
After all, when you fail at something, it can't possibly be YOUR fault, it must be everyone else that can actually do it. It's gotta be the other guys attitude that's got you licking pavement and frustrated as hell and running to the board in defense of *your friends* and the rough treatment they received in a PvP zone.
Did that Tsoo Sorc apologize the first time he pwnd yer [censored] by healing his mates and debuffing yer acc with his storm? Did you whine at him via broadcast or these baords when he did it? Or did you knuckle down and develop a strategy on how to beat him?
Has an AV never talked smack when he spanked yer [censored]? You whine at him?
Did it help?
Make me out to be an [censored] all you want, man. I'm just another element of the game. I'm programmed to pwn you. And *your friends*
Learn to beat me.
Whining won't help.
Yes, we need more contributing PvP'ers in the zone. Yes it would be nice if there was no smack-talking, but in my experience, the smack-talking always starts by some guy getting frustrated because he keeps trying the same thing over and over, and then [censored] when it continues to fail.
"Stop sucking, n00b!" or "You got PwNd!!!" is typically the response.
And then they come on these boards and blame the responses as the reason they won't come in the zones anymore.
Well, okay. No real loss.
I just don't feel that an increase in population at the expense of actual skill and the need to coddle the lowest common demoninator will do anything at all for PvP in this game. Either bring it, or stay the [censored] home.
PvP has a DNR tag on it's toe, or its DOA.
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Could you be ANY more ignorant?
The OP's friends are getting ' pwned ' because according to him, most of them are new. New players can't just magically understand everything about PvP and not have to worry about dying frequently. They have to get out there and practice, which is exactly what they were doing. What is justified about discouraging them for trying to learn the game?
And I definately don't agree with the whole, people get frustrated and THEN the trash talking starts. 90% of the time when I go into a zone, the very first time I'm killed it's amost always followed by some thing like " Lrn2play or GTFO *Blank* " Interesting considering that was our first encounter and already they are talking as if I've done some horrible thing to them in the past.
And that is what I think the majority of the problem is. People get into PvP and ofcourse, as beginners, they don't do very well. And along comes some jerk who has nothing but rude, senseless things to say to them. Discouraging them and ultimately only doing it to make them angry. THEY in turn end up having this mentality that everyone on the opposing side is like this one jerk, and so they immediately go on the offensive verbally when they zone. THEY become a jerk much as the one that verbally abused them.
If you're PvPing with your buddies, and you talk a little smack, that's all in good fun. If you go into a zone, take out a complete stranger and proceed to mock and ridecule them over broadcast, that is nothing short of primitivism. It's childish, and uncalled for. If you are an adult playing this game, you should very well know better. Grow up.
As for the younger players, it would be good to learn humility at an early age.
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THEY in turn end up having this mentality that everyone on the opposing side is like this one jerk, and so they immediately go on the offensive verbally when they zone.
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Classic example. Today someone I knew had logged into a friend's account because they had never played a stalker before. Complete noob at it, ok no big deal, they're learning and getting the hang of stalking.
Out of no where this random hero says "LOL, Stalker, you suck so much [censored]. I got pwn you in 2 seconds."
What's the need of that? This new person NEVER said anything demeaning to anyone in zone. It's not like they walked saying "ROFL YOU SUCK LRN2PLAY N00B!!!!"
No, they didn't say that at all. In fact when they had successfully defeated someone, they didn't say anything at all. While I was talking to them, they basically said that it's not as easy as it looks and stalking may not be their role in pvp.
I've never ever understood why someone would walk into a zone and start trash talking to some random person they've never met. I mean....WHY? What good does it do? You're just being a complete tool.
People are [censored].
Here you come with a stupid name like Fixer - brutalkillz_
after reading almost everyones replies I've noticed that everyone is either complaining about people trash talking or telling people that are bothered by to simply ignore the trash talker.
this thread (I believe) is not really getting to the trash talkers
I actually think most trash talkers are either:
A) retarded
B) socially inapt
C) under the age of 8 and has parents that swear a lot
D) very very mad at the life he/she is living
all of which I think sometimes require be taught a lesson
the best way to teach you ask ?
just got the crap kicked out of you ? figure out a way to kick the living crap out him , be it with insp or with a team and never talk trash to them . if you manage to kill him 1-1 just end each fight with gg/gf , if you used some insp or a team then if they trash talk "whaaa you can't kill me without your insp/team// youre sucha [censored] can't fight alone blah blah "
... can't think of a reply to that ... someone help me reply to my own trash talk D:
in the end what they need to see is how someone who is not A,B,C or D should reply
in any case I mostly feel sorry for trash talkers and hence I let them trash talk all they want .
I agree its not the friendliest of atmospheres and yes it DOES prevent the Pvp population by showing an ugly faceright from the start but there's not much we can do about it sadly 
I truly truly wish there was
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THEY in turn end up having this mentality that everyone on the opposing side is like this one jerk, and so they immediately go on the offensive verbally when they zone.
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Classic example. Today someone I knew had logged into a friend's account because they had never played a stalker before. Complete noob at it, ok no big deal, they're learning and getting the hang of stalking.
Out of no where this random hero says "LOL, Stalker, you suck so much [censored]. I got pwn you in 2 seconds."
What's the need of that? This new person NEVER said anything demeaning to anyone in zone. It's not like they walked saying "ROFL YOU SUCK LRN2PLAY N00B!!!!"
No, they didn't say that at all. In fact when they had successfully defeated someone, they didn't say anything at all. While I was talking to them, they basically said that it's not as easy as it looks and stalking may not be their role in pvp.
I've never ever understood why someone would walk into a zone and start trash talking to some random person they've never met. I mean....WHY? What good does it do? You're just being a complete tool.
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In that case, it's because stalkers are the devil and all stalkers are by nature complete bigots and [censored].
(sarcasm note for those who do not detect it)
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"whaaa you can't kill me without your insp/team// youre sucha [censored] can't fight alone blah blah "
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There was an analogy my father gave me 20 years ago.. if you give a baby a can with beans in it, the baby will squeal and shake it for hours on end. Take the beans out, the baby will shake the can for 30 seconds, get frustrated, drop it, and find something else that makes noise/shiney lights.
The best thing to be is an unshaken and empty can, because we all know who the big baby is.
I always feel bad when a villain starts yelling at a hero. :/ I usually go up and apologize. (Course, that usually gets me pwnt shortly thereafter... you'd think I'd learn!)
omg. There are normal people who don't support or encourage or excuse, verbal abuse online. I cannot believe. I love you guys. You have restored my faith in humanity.
No thanks necessary my friend.
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omg. There are normal people who don't support or encourage or excuse, verbal abuse online. I cannot believe. I love you guys. You have restored my faith in humanity.
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this is what I thought in the begining of this thread , but the fact is that people that don't trash talk are SEVERELY outnumbered by those who do. the message we are trying to give out is that if we keep the trash talking to a minimum then pvp may grow to be more popular ( more people will be willing to try it and learn from his/her encounters) in which case everyone (including the trash talkers) will have more people to kill/fight against .
then again , has anyone actually tried talking sense with them ? its no use give up hope ... become better and pray to the gods that some day we will prevail 
I've gotten to know quite a few friends from the opposing faction as well as the same faction , as soon as you get passed the A,B,C's & D's its actually kinda fun
Godspeed
Tanaka
I don't PVP specifically because of trash talking.
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if you manage to kill him 1-1 just end each fight with gg/gf
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Or my personal favorite, 1v1 him in the arena, crush him either 4-0 or higher. Then at the end of the match say "GG, I was having an off day should've gotten more" That will piss the HELL out of them. It did to the jerk scrapper who was talking smack to me. So I asked for a 1v1 in the arena, and he agreed, after the match I dropped that line and he was swearing up a storm. He couldn't back up his trash because he got CRUSHED.
Ah...I love being a jerk to the jerks. 
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if you manage to kill him 1-1 just end each fight with gg/gf
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Or my personal favorite, 1v1 him in the arena, crush him either 4-0 or higher. Then at the end of the match say "GG, I was having an off day should've gotten more" That will piss the HELL out of them. It did to the jerk scrapper who was talking smack to me. So I asked for a 1v1 in the arena, and he agreed, after the match I dropped that line and he was swearing up a storm. He couldn't back up his trash because he got CRUSHED.
Ah...I love being a jerk to the jerks.
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err no no we aren't trying to piss them off , we're trying to show there's other ways of handling a win than showing your prowess over the other person ... finish the game with a GG/GF ... no one gets mad and hopefully he sees how gracefully you accepted your victory
It's a live Glommie!!!! Say hey to Mali.
It's interesting insight into gamers today that they feel insulting a jerk is a good thing. In my mind, now they are both jerks. Have they never heard of "two wrongs do not make a right".
I can't keep going...That whole post was bad. "Back up his trash?" What do we have to back up? Is this a wrestling match?This type of behavior Encourages trash talking.
Why are their ego's tied into how they perform in pvp in a virtual world? Why does winning or losing have any effect at all?
ahhh phooey.
very much alive and kicking
I have'nt been on for quite some time though if I do see him I will say Rasta said hi
one thing that this thread has shown me however is that there is a larger number of people that don't think trash talking is fun than I expected . this is great news but still
let he not frown on how others deal with their wins/losses . let us just show how ts done without trash talking
to all that have thought of ways to improve the gaming experience GG
unfortunately the fight isn't over , it most likely will never end .. in which case I say Gl and always HF
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Anything goes tactics is mostly acceptable, being a dick in broadcast/request/arena or private tells is not.
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you do have a point thats the one thing that gets my goat "the face rubbing" after someone takes someone out and has a /$target macro and then just constantly runs there mouth usually im in the zone for long period of times so it gets old quick .
usually i just cuss them out though
take for instance like the guys that are teamed up 8vs1 there always some body talking all sorts of stuff.
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but hes there deal i could ignore them and i got all sorts of options to not hear them usually i dont mess with it
because i have ignored people and suddenly the zone gets real quiet and boring ive unignored people too hear alittle banter now and then
but usually i keep the /$target people on ignore
at one point in time i tried pvp in wow "yeah i know barf"and that really sucked because ya couldnt understand what the other people where saying they had some the enemie text would be jumbled Bur come to mind
i for one enjoy pvp in cox.
i feel bad for people that have posted saying they wont pvp on account of the trash talk . your missing out on some fun times .
its what kept me around .
if the talking bother ya just hit the ignore button
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people say pvp sucks in cox ...thats because there morons.
To pvp sucessfully you have too actually use your head and build whats the best for your playstyle ...get ya hands dirty and get slapped around in zones to get a feel for it.
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Anything goes tactics is mostly acceptable, being a dick in broadcast/request/arena or private tells is not.
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you do have a point thats the one thing that gets my goat "the face rubbing" after someone takes someone out and has a /$target macro and then just constantly runs there mouth usually im in the zone for long period of times so it gets old quick .
usually i just cuss them out though
take for instance like the guys that are teamed up 8vs1 there always some body talking all sorts of stuff.
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but hes there deal i could ignore them and i got all sorts of options to not hear them usually i dont mess with it
because i have ignored people and suddenly the zone gets real quiet and boring ive unignored people too hear alittle banter now and then
but usually i keep the /$target people on ignore
at one point in time i tried pvp in wow "yeah i know barf"and that really sucked because ya couldnt understand what the other people where saying they had some the enemie text would be jumbled Bur come to mind
i for one enjoy pvp in cox.
i feel bad for people that have posted saying they wont pvp on account of the trash talk . your missing out on some fun times .
its what kept me around .
if the talking bother ya just hit the ignore button
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people say pvp sucks in cox ...thats because there morons.
To pvp sucessfully you have too actually use your head and build whats the best for your playstyle ...get ya hands dirty and get slapped around in zones to get a feel for it.
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you were doing great till you said cox pvp is good ... its not but its all we have yes its unbalanced yes range completely dominates in most cases , but this still doesnt give us reason to talk trash ... since it really has nothing to do with people being A holes >.>
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k anything you say from here on out is null and void ...if you dont like the pvp in the game why even comment on trash talk ....just dont go into pvp zones at all then?
my stone brute i made does just fine in zones im sorry if ya get dominated?
just go too virtue and join a fight club? since ya seem like ya cant handle pvp roflcopter
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So much for setting a good example. You can see by the replies of the active pvp'rs they have no desire to treat each other well or encourage other players. Same as always unfortunately. I posted this same sort of thing a few years ago saying that I don't trash talk and I alwayscongratulate those that kill me. Didn't fly. Same sort of odd responses.
I can't comprehend their need to behave in that manner and they can't comprehend my lack of desire to interact with those who behave in that manner.
So, advice. Ignore everything. Turn off all chat. or, As alot of these pvp'rs have done. Go to arena and fight folks you know or are part of the usual arena gang. Those guys generally help players and each other.
I love the zone fights but most of the big jerks hang there.
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Dont get me wrong, I try not to trash talk either, and when some one gets a good kill, as in not three shotting me before I can blink, or TPing me into a phonebooth, I'll congratulate them. Not thats theres anything wrong with someone wiping me out with a BU + Aim salvo, but nothing really to pat them on the back about either.
But the fact is, theres always gonna be people that are [censored], and no post on these forums, as well intentioned as it was, will change that.
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So true.