Consolidated Power and Weapon Customization Thread
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2007-09-08 16:38 in Suggestions and Ideas
The argument in here is so lame, Other people have created Official posts befor in here and I dont see all the cranky people posting crap in those posts..
There needs to be 1 post about Power Customization.
And IMO the first thing in that post should have all of BaBs comments on why it cant be done right now.
That should discourage the 90,000,000 other people who want to post about this topic.
This persons post made it to the "Devs Corner"
Another random person on the Dev page
Look an OFFICIAL post on the DEV page
Another non dev non mod on the Dev page
Another OFFICIAL board not posted by a dev or a mod
Now go complain to all those people.
This board can server a great purpose for all the people who wanna post how awesomerz it would be for OMG!!!!11!11111!!!!!!!!!!!! YELLOW EYE BEAMS...
PINK ELECTRICITY.... MAGENTA THERMAL HEALING..
That quote is meaningless - it doesn't come from a dev. In fact, the devs were planning CoV since before CoH launch.
Also, I think it is counter productive to extensively quote PC ideas from other threads because it loses the extensive debate that followed - debate that in many cases rendered the original idea null.
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Personally, I'd rather have multiple power customization threads, so that each new idea can have a chance to be fully fleshed out, and can enjoy the full attention of those following the thread.
The posts along the lines of "I want blue fior!" aren't too helpful, but the posts that suggest a different possible implementation are, in my opinion, useful. I would hate to see all of them consolidated into a single thread where it becomes difficult to discuss each idea individually.
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Personally, I'd rather have multiple power customization threads, so that each new idea can have a chance to be fully fleshed out, and can enjoy the full attention of those following the thread.
The posts along the lines of "I want blue fior!" aren't too helpful, but the posts that suggest a different possible implementation are, in my opinion, useful. I would hate to see all of them consolidated into a single thread where it becomes difficult to discuss each idea individually.
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you don't mean.... Power Customization Thread Customization?!?!
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And again, I point you to BaB's last post on the subject. Our ideas on implementation, thought up without extensive knowledge of the code and engine are the opposite of useful.
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Pippy there are alot more people complaining about there being multiple threads on PC vs people who want 1 place to discuss all good ideas.
No sapph having a consolidated thread makes it easier for people who come in every week and ask for power customization..
Are you telling me after 4 years...that we should just let you be annoyed by the many many posts or have one really good post with solutions? The reason why I made a new post is because DarkCarnage no longer cares about his orginal posts...so the discussions in there arent going to be very fruitful...hence this post....
REBOOT...RESTART...RETHINK
and besides you have a sticky thread yourself 
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And again, I point you to BaB's last post on the subject. Our ideas on implementation, thought up without extensive knowledge of the code and engine are the opposite of useful.
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And who says that anyone who hasant made a comment yet cant find a way? Sometimes miracles come from the least expected place...food for thought
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I would hate to see all of them consolidated into a single thread where it becomes difficult to discuss each idea individually.
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I fail to see how you cant look at the posts on the 1st page of this thread and not discuss them individually? How is having many posts going to help anything?
HELLO people are complaining about the many many posts...the idea here is to get people to post in 1 thread so that people can discuss every which way but loose...and everyway the wind blows...without having to loose track of the post.
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Pippy there are alot more people complaining about there being multiple threads on PC vs people who want 1 place to discuss all good ideas.
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I realize that. In my opinion, the people complaining about multiple PC threads are incorrect.
If someone posts a new PC idea, they aren't violating any of the forum guidelines. Therefore, it's perfectly legitimate. While other people are welcome to complain about it, it's far from obvious that they are correct.
Im all for new ideas...but new ideas tend to get washed down the river of posts that keep coming...hence ala we need a sticky...
i will know monday if this becomes a sticky or not
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Im all for new ideas...but new ideas tend to get washed down the river of posts that keep coming...hence ala we need a sticky...
i will know monday if this becomes a sticky or not
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The only problem with putting said new ideas in a consolidated thread is that they are even more likely to get drowned in a flood of other new ideas. It also becomes difficult to tell who's responding to which suggestion.
Now, a consolidated "Nerf X" thread would be fine. It could be even be stickied ... to the LAST PAGE of the forum.
The amount of people who have actual ideas on how to implement the feature versus the amount of people who want pink electricity is substantial.
The red named people have already said Its too hard for them blah blah blah and we cant do it right now cuz we wanna keep people from leaving the game blah blah and we have to buy a new engine blah blah and its not coming in Issue 15...
I actually fail to see the purpose in Any threads on this matter as that guy has already said Numerous times Its not a Viable Option at this point.
Bab wrote on September 4th:
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'Baked in' was in response to someone's comment that colors were baked into animations. The only thing really baked in are some colors into some particle textures and textures on geometry used in FX scripts. Most particle textures use a greyscale image that we tint to different hues in the particle scripts, but some of them we don't tint. It's enough that any sort of power customization to allow changing the hue of power effects we'd have to deal with them. That's not the only hurdle and it's really not even the biggest hurdle.
I really can't stress this enough, there's nothing insurmountably difficult about power color customization, it's just a tremendous amount of time to pull it off.
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Sort of. It would completely dominate some of the artists' time for multiple issues. That would prevent any content from being developed that required any animation or FX. Obviously we'd be able to develop other things at the same time as this, but we'd definitely be doing the lion's share on this.
It would also require a chunk of support from programming. They'd have to implement the system to allow powers to reference different FX scripts or accept some kind of hue shift value, hook everything into some kind of UI so players could modify and see what they're modifying, possibly change the way character data is stored in the database, etc. I couldn't even begin to tell you the things programming would have to do to make this happen, but it's significant enough to cut into other features, bug fixes, or performance/stability improvements.
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That right there says Nuff Said.. to me.
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Here's my suggestion for how to do this, mostly in terms of the User Interface:
Use the costume editor.
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Well that does seem to solve one part of the problem,which is how much server lag adding PC would create...at least from what your saying here
But the art and coding time would end up being the same on this...is that correct?
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Yes.
And I believe there is no way to avoid there being a lot of Art & Animation time, period. We are asking for, in essence, new artwork. For most htings, you could stop short at "recoloring", but people would really really want to be able to change things a bit more - you KNOW the majority of players won't be satisfied until they can at least ick different swords, guns, axes, etc. Preferably also, different patterns/shapes for their blasts, where possible.
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I actually fail to see the purpose in Any threads on this matter as that guy has already said Numerous times Its not a Viable Option at this point.
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And you know, the same was said of Capes at one time.
And wings, too, for that matter; originally they thought they'd have to do a whole new Archetype just for Wings. And yet ... what's this?
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I actually fail to see the purpose in Any threads on this matter as that guy has already said Numerous times Its not a Viable Option at this point.
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And you know, the same was said of Capes at one time.
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No, capes were different. They knew they were going to do capes, they told us from the beginning that capes were coming, they were just going to take time.
Wings were similar. They told us that wings would take some effort, but they were planning to do them in some fashion.
With power customisation they've said from the beginning that it would take more effort than it is worth. Since then they've experimented with it and found that they right the first time, it will take more effort than it is worth.
Perfect_Pain had it right, none of these threads actually accomplish anything. Many people have posted "ideas" on how to do PC, but none of it has been anything the devs don't already know. The problem with PC isn't a lack of ideas, they already have plenty. The problem isn't a lack of desire, they know we want it and they want it too. All these many, many threads do is get everyone worked up. They don't actually get us any closer to having Power Customisation.
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With power customisation they've said from the beginning that it would take more effort than it is worth.
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They've really not said anything of the sort.
They've said that it's very time consuming, and that it won't be in any time soon. But contrast that to adding more to the difficulty slider, which they've straight up said that they won't do.
It seems to me that they've been very careful to avoid saying that power customization is never happening.
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They've really not said anything of the sort.
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They've said something exactly of the sort.
BackAlleyBrawler has said more than once that the reason they haven't done it is because it would take so much work that many people on the team wouldn't be able to do anything else for several issues. The devs have said repeatedly that implementing power customisation would mean taking up so much time that many other things would not get implemented, so it always gets put to the bottom of the list.
No, they haven't ruled it out. But a hundred threads telling them to do it anyway aren't going to change the facts. In the past, it hasn't been worth it to spend the large amount of resources on it that could be spent elsewhere. Nothing about these threads changes that. Nobody has posted a single idea that isn't already covered by what the devs have already told us.
Exactly. Pretty much everything that can be accomplished by a suggestion thread has already been accomplished with regards to PC.
1) the initial idea. done
2) tremendous support. check.
3) theories on how to implement it. done and done.
4) multiple official dev responses. a-yup.
Hell, it's not like we need to convince them at this point. They *know* we want it, *they* want it. They simply don't have the resources to justify prioritizing it over the other content and issues. damn those pesky business decisions! 
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Veriandros--Lvl 50+3 Crab Soldier, Virtue
"So come and get me! I'll be waiting for ye, with a whiff of the old brimstone. I'm a grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end!" Demoman, TF2
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I actually fail to see the purpose in Any threads on this matter as that guy has already said Numerous times Its not a Viable Option at this point.
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And you know, the same was said of Capes at one time.
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No, capes were different. They knew they were going to do capes, they told us from the beginning that capes were coming, they were just going to take time.
Wings were similar. They told us that wings would take some effort, but they were planning to do them in some fashion.
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And really, that's what they've said about Power Customisation, EXCEPT "but we're going to do it, eventually". They've said it's a LOT of work, and that they don't feel they can spare the man-hours needed.
NOT that it CANNOT be done.
I don't think at this point anyone's saying that the dev's feel it can't possibly be done. Just that we should (much like capes and wings before) let it drop and stop bringing it up every five minutes....who knows, maybe they'll suprise us (and themselves)
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Megadeth--Lvl 50+3 Necro/DM/Soul MM, Virtue
Veriandros--Lvl 50+3 Crab Soldier, Virtue
"So come and get me! I'll be waiting for ye, with a whiff of the old brimstone. I'm a grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end!" Demoman, TF2
Why should we let it drop? so they can sweep it under the rug and "forget" how important it was to so many people? No thanks. I would rather them remember, and be reminded constantly that we want it and how bad.
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This thread isn't really about making it so they never forget about PC..although I never want them to forget...i made it so people could post in here to help the dev's in any way possible. A few of you have said we can't possibly come up with an idea to help the dev and art team implement customization.
Do you know how many times Thomas Edison Tried to make a light Bulb before He suceeded?
And did you know all the people that worked on it before him and after him to make it better and last longer?
So just because we don't work for cryptic...doesn't mean we cant help cryptic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb
So we need some bright ideas...otherwise were gonna be left in the dark 
It seems to me like the easiest way to introduce at least some power customization would be to bring in a new Epic Archetype that had customizable powers. That way, we could get customization without the devs having to go through and add it to all of the existing powers.
That's from a preview. The devs always planned CoV and PvP from the pre-beta days....I was on the boards when it happened.
Furio--Lvl 50+3 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster, Virtue
Megadeth--Lvl 50+3 Necro/DM/Soul MM, Virtue
Veriandros--Lvl 50+3 Crab Soldier, Virtue
"So come and get me! I'll be waiting for ye, with a whiff of the old brimstone. I'm a grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end!" Demoman, TF2