Plugging Curse-Gaming.com for Showing Off Your Art
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8baller,
Posted on: 2007-03-23 18:00 in Multi-Media Fan Creations
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While Id love for us to be offering similar services here on the City of Heroes and Villains websites, the legal issues surrounding it make it prohibitive. So, our thinking goes, why not work with an affiliate site like Curse and spread the word of functionality they have to offer.
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Color me confused about this...
NCSoft can't have images/art of characters that, according to the EULA, belong to Cryptic/NCSoft... because of legal reasons?
O.o
Mew?
That just sounds... backwards to me.
"A good Defender is the battle hardened Corpsman who will kill a Nazi with a tongue depressor while putting a splint on your leg, then hand you a fresh clip of ammo." ~Jock_Thompson
Repeat Offenders, TNT Profile, My little hero
Yeah, the only "legal issue" I can see is if someone sent in Fanart of xXxWolviexXx, a claws/regen scrapper in yellow spandex. In which case there should someone to monitor the Fanart and delete those.
I really think the CoH mainpage needs some more community. It looks like a hastily thrown together news page (which just links to other sites who actually have the scoop).
We need a prominent Fan Art display, Screenshot Display, Player of the Day(like the UK site) and etc.
There is a Fan Art page in the community section but it isn't very large and I don't think it has been updated for more then a year.
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Remember that Deviant Art isn't the land of Milk and Honey everyone seems to think it is. There are potential copywrite issues that may arise from having NCSoft associate itself with DA to store fanart. Thusly, instead of trying to work out some weird deal and bring out the lawyers, they probably just skipped that step altogether and went with a site they can work more closely with.
That doesn't mean that DA isn't the best choice for all of you, just that it's not the best choice for NCSoft.
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OMG your still alive *glomp* 
hope your finished being sickys
And yeah I agree DA isn't the land of milk and honey buuut its likely less stringent than the site linked above
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While Id love for us to be offering similar services here on the City of Heroes and Villains websites, the legal issues surrounding it make it prohibitive. So, our thinking goes, why not work with an affiliate site like Curse and spread the word of functionality they have to offer.
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Color me confused about this...
NCSoft can't have images/art of characters that, according to the EULA, belong to Cryptic/NCSoft... because of legal reasons?
O.o
Mew?
That just sounds... backwards to me.
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It might have something to do with ownership conflicts. Yes, NCSoft/Cryptic do have legal ownership of the characters created in CoX (if I undersand the EULA correctly), but the artists also claim ownership of the artwork. That usually includes a statement along the lines of "unauthorized use or reproduction of artwork is prohibited" or some such. So then what you'd have is NCSoft/Cryptic asking for permission from artists to display artwork of characters owned by the company.
Apparently that sort of thing is bad. I dunno why, maybe the lawyers are scared it'll cause a rip in the space-time continuum that will consume the planet or something.
Goodbye, I guess.
@Lord_Nightblade in Champions/Star Trek Online
nightblade7295@gmail.com if you want to stay in touch
Apparently it really doesn't matter. I figure, hey wouldn't be that hard to post links on another site, so I'd give em a shot.
Their registration is broken (errored out). So you can't post anyhow.
And they REALLY should have thought a little more about posting thier test image. Touchy art people types might take a little offense to their "fan art" example.
*stick people*...come ooooooooon folks. Think.
8
"Scumball in the side pocket." - 8 Baller
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While Id love for us to be offering similar services here on the City of Heroes and Villains websites, the legal issues surrounding it make it prohibitive. So, our thinking goes, why not work with an affiliate site like Curse and spread the word of functionality they have to offer.
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Color me confused about this...
NCSoft can't have images/art of characters that, according to the EULA, belong to Cryptic/NCSoft... because of legal reasons?
O.o
Mew?
That just sounds... backwards to me.
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It might have something to do with ownership conflicts. Yes, NCSoft/Cryptic do have legal ownership of the characters created in CoX (if I undersand the EULA correctly), but the artists also claim ownership of the artwork. That usually includes a statement along the lines of "unauthorized use or reproduction of artwork is prohibited" or some such. So then what you'd have is NCSoft/Cryptic asking for permission from artists to display artwork of characters owned by the company.
Apparently that sort of thing is bad. I dunno why, maybe the lawyers are scared it'll cause a rip in the space-time continuum that will consume the planet or something.
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That *might* make sense... if there wasn't already Fan Art on the front page of the website.
"A good Defender is the battle hardened Corpsman who will kill a Nazi with a tongue depressor while putting a splint on your leg, then hand you a fresh clip of ammo." ~Jock_Thompson
Repeat Offenders, TNT Profile, My little hero
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That *might* make sense... if there wasn't already Fan Art on the front page of the website.
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*shrug* I dunno. I'm a history student not a law-talking-guy, my take on it doesn't even really make much sense to me. My guess is that this all boils down to some sort of copywrite conflict that can't be easily (that is to say quickly, cheaply, and to most people's satisfaction) resolved, maybe because of the way the EULA is written.
I think part of the problem is that it's all in Legaleese, which is confusing and makes even the simplest of statements more complicated than they need to be. It would probably help us understand the matter better if Lighthouse could get one of the NCSoft lawyers to explain it in English.
Goodbye, I guess.
@Lord_Nightblade in Champions/Star Trek Online
nightblade7295@gmail.com if you want to stay in touch
It should be no different than a company, say DC Comics, no being able to use some Wonder Woman art by Ed Benes without his permission, for example. DC's character, but Benes' artwork, so his property.
I'm not sure why they view it differently here, but if they want to go there, then the front page fan art and this entire section of the forum should move to DA, perhaps.
My Deviant Art page link-link
CoH/V Fan Videos
Hello guys,
I've been lurking for a while reading your responses. You know, one thing struck me as I was summarizing your opinions... why not use both? This way you have a second target area where people will give you feedback? Fellow gamers from pretty much all sorts of mmo's, etc. You know, think about it, your stuff also gets seen by a lot more people
Lets not dispute the quality that is deviant art, but rather work on broadening your audience and feedback possibility =]
- Nimloth
Oh, forgot to add. You can zip all the files you wanna upload and put them up at once, so re-uploading older stuff is easy too!
We are working on getting officials from game development companies to frequent the site, so if working with art is something you like, this is also a chance to get to show off stuff to people in the industry! =]
There are a few art sites out there, but I think most people stick to one simply because of the time it takes to properly manage an art account. I barely have time for what I do have.
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Hello guys,
I've been lurking for a while reading your responses. You know, one thing struck me as I was summarizing your opinions... why not use both?..."
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My difficulty is that Cryptic should have a fan-art section of their own. I don't mean a forum, but an honest to goodness database that encourtages people to send in their art for an administrator to approve and upload.
Blizzard does it with World Of Warcraft. Cryptic should do it with COH.
Instead, the approach offered is to outsource the art to another location. While not bad on the surface, it will be difficult for new fans of the game to find. Cryptic should instead take advantage of the free game-related artwork the fans are making and promote it on their own site.
Ok if they can't have art on NCSoft's site, then why are they encouraging it on another site that they don't own? THAT doesn't make sense to me. If they can pimp one site, why not another site? Or their OWN site? Y'know?
*shrug* I'm not a lawyer either
It'doesn't look like the kind of place you'd want to display your art... some of the stuff there is kinda... well, just no.
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Ok if they can't have art on NCSoft's site, then why are they encouraging it on another site that they don't own? THAT doesn't make sense to me. If they can pimp one site, why not another site? Or their OWN site? Y'know?
*shrug* I'm not a lawyer either
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I dunno.
All that bandwidth. It might all wind up on the same hardware as the FORUMS are, and that'd be ... a disaster.
Or ... instanced hami areas could become corrupted by the art.
Suddenly Hamidon appears as a 200 foot tall Thor's Assassin By Creator X and Inker Y
Please read my FEAR/Portal/HalfLife Fan Fiction!
Repurposed
Well, at the very least they're finally doing something for the fan art community. Hopefully it doesn't stop here.
Goodbye, I guess.
@Lord_Nightblade in Champions/Star Trek Online
nightblade7295@gmail.com if you want to stay in touch
Something?
"Go post it elsewhere plz k thx"
Weren't we all doing that ANYWAY?
deviantArt isn't perfect, but it's incredibly convenient for those of us who can't afford our own art websites and it has a rather good (not perfect) art categorizing section.
City of Heroes 5,700 results
City of Villains 1,337 results
and that's excluding abbreviations like CoV, CoH and CoX.
Okay that's not earth shattering numbers, but the FanArt community does have a presence on dA that can't be filled here.
From amateur inspired drawings to truly inspiring creative works of art you can find them all on deviantArt. And the great thing is other people and artists who have never heard of City of Heroes or City of Villains have seen the character inspired dA websites and are easily contactable for commissions and trades.
Until there's a genuine effort to build a cohesive FanArt section like that by NCSoft here, I'll stick with deviantArt.
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Until their's a genuine effort to build a cohesive FanArt section like that by NCSoft here, I'll stick with deviantArt.
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I read this line and I instantly wondered if NC is using Curse-Gaming as a test to gauge fan response to building an art-centric site. I have no idea if it is or if this is all they plan to do, I just wondered that when I read the quoted sentence. They did ask for ideas a while ago.
Eh, it's a step. Maybe not a big one and maybe not in the direction we'd like, but it's a step none the less. The question is, will they keep taking steps?
NCSoft could just look at the negative responses here and conclude that the people here will keep doing what they're doing regardless of any attempt at creating an officially endorsed gallery. And they may simply decide that it's not worth the effort to keep trying until they find something that makes us happy.
Conversely, they may realize that they need far far more input from us before trying to create another gallery. And I hope that this is what happens, because there was only one thread where Lighthouse actually asked for input from the fan art community. They couldn't possibly get enough information from one thread to determine what would really make us happy.
Goodbye, I guess.
@Lord_Nightblade in Champions/Star Trek Online
nightblade7295@gmail.com if you want to stay in touch
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Eh, it's a step. Maybe not a big one and maybe not in the direction we'd like, but it's a step none the less. The question is, will they keep taking steps?
NCSoft could just look at the negative responses here and conclude that the people here will keep doing what they're doing regardless of any attempt at creating an officially endorsed gallery. And they may simply decide that it's not worth the effort to keep trying until they find something that makes us happy.
Conversely, they may realize that they need far far more input from us before trying to create another gallery. And I hope that this is what happens, because there was only one thread where Lighthouse actually asked for input from the fan art community. They couldn't possibly get enough information from one thread to determine what would really make us happy.
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Oh I agree. It could go either way. But, if the decision were mine, based on this thread, I wouldn't bother with anything more. Nothing's good enough.
That thread where LH asked for ideas, mine is simple, bring us up to par with the fan stuff on the EU site. Bam! I'm happy. If they do more, and I mean something truly extraordinary, there's an idea I've been toying with that I might consider but right now, meh. I don't feel like digging out my paints.
Yay then its decided we stay at DA
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City of Heroes 5,700 results
City of Villains 1,337 results
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1337? really? :P
CoV > CoH apparently :P
The Layout seems a little thrown together for me.
DA allows us to separate by category of both medium, subject and audience, keep a tab on the friends & fellow artists who inspire us, keep a favorites gallery of artwork, not to mention the journal factor, the comments by the artist who posts, and frankly I don't want or need a stinking rating system, what the hell is that about?
Their fan art section is for more on the gamer side who just look at work, then anywhere close to people who create fan art or even those wanting to collect it.
I see no way of separating what one of us does, then someone just wanting to post 40 screenshots in a row...
I did a test register, and it's fairly involved, with profile headings like your "hardware specs"... okay fun, but not necessary... again pro gamer not so much this art community.
Perhaps if DA didn't exist, this would be worth looking into... but you did say this was about image hosting, so I suppose it's like photobucket or flickr, and that has it's purpose.