Is soul storm broke?looking for dev response.
By
Abigail Frost,
Posted on: 2006-07-26 13:27 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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This is a known bug. A fix is in the works.
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In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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This is a known bug. A fix is in the works.
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Which part is a bug, the BF beforehand negating the power, or the power negating the ability to use a BF and free oneself?
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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Which part is a bug, the BF beforehand negating the power, or the power negating the ability to use a BF and free oneself?
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Heh, I think we'll need a redname to give the final word, but I'm certain it's the second part that's the bug.
The floating, spinning action is supposed to be the visual manifestation of the hold. If you're not held, poof, no manifestation.
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Which part is a bug, the BF beforehand negating the power, or the power negating the ability to use a BF and free oneself?
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Heh, I think we'll need a redname to give the final word, but I'm certain it's the second part that's the bug.
The floating, spinning action is supposed to be the visual manifestation of the hold. If you're not held, poof, no manifestation.
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One might think, but little would surprise me at this point.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
The problem is that the floating portion prevents you from using breakfrees similar to the way a knockback does. It's only supposed to be a hold + DoT, not a 10 second long knockback.
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Which part is a bug, the BF beforehand negating the power, or the power negating the ability to use a BF and free oneself?
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Heh, I think we'll need a redname to give the final word, but I'm certain it's the second part that's the bug.
The floating, spinning action is supposed to be the visual manifestation of the hold. If you're not held, poof, no manifestation.
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One might think, but little would surprise me at this point.
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Forever my Negative Nancy. 
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Which part is a bug, the BF beforehand negating the power, or the power negating the ability to use a BF and free oneself?
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Heh, I think we'll need a redname to give the final word, but I'm certain it's the second part that's the bug.
The floating, spinning action is supposed to be the visual manifestation of the hold. If you're not held, poof, no manifestation.
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One might think, but little would surprise me at this point.
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Forever my Negative Nick.
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That's better.
Besides... it's not like I'm not justified. It could very well be that you should be able to break out of it... I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't by design.
But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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The problem is that the floating portion prevents you from using breakfrees similar to the way a knockback does. It's only supposed to be a hold + DoT, not a 10 second long knockback.
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Oh, trust me, I'm intimately familar with what the problem is. 
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
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Since the bug is in the animation, not the power, any fix will affect Ghost Widow's power, as well as the patron power version.
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But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
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Since the bug is in the animation, not the power, any fix will affect Ghost Widow's power, as well as the patron power version.
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Colour me shocked.
And my faith somewhat restored.
Thank-you, Castle.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
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But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
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Since the bug is in the animation, not the power, any fix will affect Ghost Widow's power, as well as the patron power version.
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So what are you saying Castle, that the power will become a 'normal' hold that can easily be resisted by anyone? 
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But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
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Since the bug is in the animation, not the power, any fix will affect Ghost Widow's power, as well as the patron power version.
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So what are you saying Castle, that the power will become a 'normal' hold that can easily be resisted by anyone?
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Correct.
No PPP hold for any other AT should outperform a Dominator hold. We have enough issues with "We don't need any steenkin Doms" to continue having every other AT outperform us at our job.
M'Teru couldn't get the job done. So she sent Mot to Astoria. Bad call.
you tell them Abigail!
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But what would surprise me is if it was a bug for Ghost Widow and that we should be able to BF out of hers and they fix it so we can. That'll shock the hell out of me. 'Cause, see, then it wouldn't be har... uhh... I mean fun enough.
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Since the bug is in the animation, not the power, any fix will affect Ghost Widow's power, as well as the patron power version.
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So what are you saying Castle, that the power will become a 'normal' hold that can easily be resisted by anyone?
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Correct.
No PPP hold for any other AT should outperform a Dominator hold. We have enough issues with "We don't need any steenkin Doms" to continue having every other AT outperform us at our job.
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Well, it's just that since we're promised "hard numbers" for PPPs, you'd think the Holds would be better than usual.
Then we best not tell you about Black Scorpion's Hero Holding Bane Mace Web Grenade power. That thing is wicked at holding, and I've seen it stacked up to permahold darn near anything it hits. Besides isnt the Dom more than just a Hold Artiste? I mean, if not; we dont need no stee... 
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In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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This is a known bug. A fix is in the works.
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Whoa. Those Stalkers I've seen with that patron are going to be TICKED when that happens and no respeccing out of it. yeesh!
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In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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This is a known bug. A fix is in the works.
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Whoa. Those Stalkers I've seen with that patron are going to be TICKED when that happens and no respeccing out of it. yeesh!
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How do you think I feel.
They could at least make it *hard* to resist.. like Soul Transfer but less powerful.
Personally all I care about is the animation, mmm swirly grasp! but alas...
Given their attitudes about changing animations/powers, and making "tech" changes (see: chain induction etc), I don't think they can keep that animation and not have the victim in perma-knockup stasis without heavy re-writing of the knockup code/character animations.
So, I'm thinking it'll be given
1. The CoT ritual animation (victim floats upright in a "bound" state)
2. The gravity-hover animation.
(speculation)
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1. The CoT ritual animation (victim floats upright in a "bound" state)
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This would be the best alternative (but I'd rather keep the new one.)
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2. The gravity-hover animation.
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This would be the cop-out easy-fix.
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In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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This is a known bug. A fix is in the works.
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Whoa. Those Stalkers I've seen with that patron are going to be TICKED when that happens and no respeccing out of it. yeesh!
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How do you think I feel.
They could at least make it *hard* to resist.. like Soul Transfer but less powerful.
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I can't say I'm surprised. A patron power that was actually useful. I'm sure they'll do the right thing and offer us all the ability to choose a new patron though right? Since Moonbeam isn't exactly rocking my world and this known issue was well advertised in the GW thread and on the known issues page.
Then again. A 'fix' has been and will forever will be in the works for fury so what.. me worry?
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I can't say I'm surprised. A patron power that was actually useful.
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Are you serious? It's a hold, like char from the blaster Flame EPP. You use it, if the target has resists then it won't work, if they have a BF they can get out of it.
Are you saying that the only way that this power is useful is if it's irrisistable? Please tell me I've misunderstood and you're not complaining that they took away your un-resistable power for which there is no counter.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
Haw haw
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I'm glad to see that this power is being fixed. It being unbreakable isn't right. Like a poster mentioned before, they could have easily went with the Grav Single Target Hold or some other "ariel" hold animation for this power. How an animation get's coded as a continous knockback/knockup is beyond me. I'd think that at this point in the game's development obvious errors like this hold should be caught before they're even inplimented. The only explination i can see is this :
Programer A: Hey hit me with that Ghost Widow hold...
Programer B: Ok... (acitvates power)
Programer A: Wait...the breakfree isn't working.
Programer B: Oh yea? I coded the animation as a constant knockback. Sweet isn't it?
Programer A: That's gonna piss somebody off for sure. Hey wanna get lunch?
Programer B: Sure. I'd like some Subway right about now.
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Inescapable does not mean unresistable. If you have mez resistance from your primary/secondary, a buff, or a break free it doesn't work. If you have a kinetics user around, ID will knock you out of it.
I had to beat GW using the exact same power on me to get it. I managed to do it solo even though her version blows through integration like it isn't there, you just have to use your head.
It's not supposed to be a hold, exactly like it's from an EPP - it's supposed to be like Ghost Widows just without the hundreds of points of damage. If you read the hype it'd be like an EPP but actually more powerful and it actually is - imagine my surprise.
That you lack the imagination or ability to come up with a counter to it is your problem, not mine.
In PvP soul storm causes effected opponents to spin around, and while in this stasis they can not use a bf. If they use one before hand they will not be effected by either the hold or the ariel acrobatics. I just want an official word or link about this power.
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