Is soul storm broke?looking for dev response.
By
Abigail Frost,
Posted on: 2006-07-26 13:27 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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The process will change or stay the same
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Smoke is so profound.
The Kronos has a hold n00b!
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The process will change or stay the same
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Smoke is so profound.
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Indeed, sir. I keep company with you. Such things cannot be helped.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
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I disagree, to a point. If a hold can't "hold", that's the point? But that is way off topic.
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A status effect should always have a counter. The hold is still holding, it's just subject to bf's like any other hold. And that's the way it should be.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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but I do take objection to your "I'm a positive person and I'm not complaining because I can log in, maybe you should stop being so defeatist! " condescension.
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Actually, I wasn't being condescending. I was responding to this:
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Honestly, though, why should we accept shoddy products just because others are also producing them? I can't play my Illusion/Kinetics Controller right now because he crashes constantly. The global channels are bugged. Bases kick you out at random intervals. Invincibility was bugged, offering triple DEF, and sets were balanced around this ability which was subsequently fixed with no commensurate fix to the sets. I don't need my enjoyment "destroyed" in order to point out this process is not assuring quality.
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There are plenty of people playing the game that are still enjoying it just fine, even with the problems you described. However, since I don't like to speak for other people, I try to use only my own experience as an example. If that came across in a way I did not intend, then I apologize. I try to state my opinion and have respect for others with an opposing view point at the same time. It doesn't always broadcast that way.
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It sounded condescending and dismissive, like many of the "I'm okay, so all is okay" posts.
Cheerfully withdrawn!
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Sometimes even the gods dance with mortals.
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Shall we foxtrot now?
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glad to know that this is overpowered, but IW, power boost, conserve power, TF, earth's embrace, hibernate, power build up, PFF, FoN isn't. I could've been fooled.
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conserve power
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Considering that the melee ATs you probably think should get the pool that contains Conserve Power already get said power natively, you will not see it on those two ATs.
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Hibernate's overpowered?
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glad to know that this is overpowered, but IW, power boost, conserve power, TF, earth's embrace, hibernate, power build up, PFF, FoN isn't. I could've been fooled.
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This may be the first time you've said something I violently disagree with.
The rest of your list provokes varying but lesser degrees of disagreement.
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Inescapable does not mean unresistable. If you have mez resistance from your primary/secondary, a buff, or a break free it doesn't work. If you have a kinetics user around, ID will knock you out of it.
I had to beat GW using the exact same power on me to get it. I managed to do it solo even though her version blows through integration like it isn't there, you just have to use your head.
It's not supposed to be a hold, exactly like it's from an EPP - it's supposed to be like Ghost Widows just without the hundreds of points of damage. If you read the hype it'd be like an EPP but actually more powerful and it actually is - imagine my surprise.
That you lack the imagination or ability to come up with a counter to it is your problem, not mine.
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Unfortunatly, peoples lack of imagination is what caused many of the nerfs of the last year. Once again a pvp issue will cause a change in a power, pissing off many players whom have grown to like it and are now forced to change.
before you post, would be flamers, you cant tell me that the "planned fix(nerf)" was because the pve npcs in the late game cried foul to the dev team.
I dont have the power in question, nor a toon on the villains side high enough to worry about which patron poole to take. However, this is simply another "par for the course" on this dev teams track record. Not to sound like I am dev bashing as hindsight is always 20/20, but it is completly obvious by now to everyone that pvp controls the future of this game. CoX has gone down the road so many others have taken and is quickly losing its shine in pve.
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before you post, would be flamers, you cant tell me that the "planned fix(nerf)" was because the pve npcs in the late game cried foul to the dev team.
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PvP actually helps find bugs like this that may not have come to light otherwise. As you say, an NPC isn't likely to alert us to something not working the way it was supposed to.
Explain, please, how it's a nerf to fix something that wasn't intended to function in a specific way? This isn't like some of the other changes that have been made. The hold, once applied and in effect, is essentially inescapable. You're trying to say that that's the way it should be? 
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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before you post, would be flamers, you cant tell me that the "planned fix(nerf)" was because the pve npcs in the late game cried foul to the dev team.
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PvP actually helps find bugs like this that may not have come to light otherwise. As you say, an NPC isn't likely to alert us to something not working the way it was supposed to.
Explain, please, how it's a nerf to fix something that wasn't intended to function in a specific way? This isn't like some of the other changes that have been made. The hold, once applied and in effect, is essentially inescapable. You're trying to say that that's the way it should be?
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And are you going to say that the internal testing crew never used the power once on an npc mob before giving it the ok to go to live? Who are you to say it wasnt working as intended when they tested it for pve? Like others have said, why cant an "epic" patron power be relativley powerful? Is a single target hold that has to get through mobs mez protection and actually has a good duration really overpowered for pve?
By your logic, pvp pointed out that all the tank primaries were to strong, travel powers needed supression, controlers needed less control and more dmg, etc etc. I agree with this logic. pvp certainly did point these out. problem is the majority of the playerbase did not see an issue, nor did the dev team for over a year prior.
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glad to know that this is overpowered, but IW, power boost, conserve power, TF, earth's embrace, hibernate, power build up, PFF, FoN isn't. I could've been fooled.
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This may be the first time you've said something I violently disagree with.
The rest of your list provokes varying but lesser degrees of disagreement.
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name one thing in a patron pool besides webnades that are more useful. controllers can get hibernate as a tier 1 epic, which is better than a lot of the useless tier 3 pets that most of the villains get.
and yes, i am speaking from a pvp perspective. the reason why soul storm is getting changed is because of pvp reasons, so I'm talking pvp here. I can assure you though, that anyone who pvp's will agree that hero epic powers outshine villain PPP's by a longshot. I can speak for it myself, having 4 level 50 heroes also.
and no i wasn't saying anything in particular was overpowered. What I was trying to get at was how underpowered the PPP's are compared to well, pretty much any of the decent-good EPP's available to heroes.
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Unfortunatly, peoples lack of imagination is what caused many of the nerfs of the last year. Once again a pvp issue will cause a change in a power, pissing off many players whom have grown to like it and are now forced to change.
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My question is.. how exactly is PvE going to be nerfed? Last I knew, Breakfrees were a PC-exclusve bit.
Dawncaller - The Circle of Dawn
Too many blasted alts to list, but all on Virtue.
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Unfortunatly, peoples lack of imagination is what caused many of the nerfs of the last year. Once again a pvp issue will cause a change in a power, pissing off many players whom have grown to like it and are now forced to change.
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My question is.. how exactly is PvE going to be nerfed? Last I knew, Breakfrees were a PC-exclusve bit.
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That depends on the implemntation of the fix. if castle were in charge, new code would be written and a break free would work on this power the same as any other hold. Castle is the man. However, Castle is not in charge, he simply communicates with the players here more often then others and provides solid ideas for fix/changes etc to the devs. if he is very persistant and gains the support of someone in charge on this, then the fix will have no pve effect. I for one, have doubts that this solution is 100% backed. changing the animation to the grav trollers hold animation or some other simple cop out seems as likely as not to be the fix here.
Theres just been to many "fast solutions" that end up getting different solutions a little bit down the road for me to have confidence that the first time they will get it right. hell, its already on live, so its past that already. tanker super strength rage changes come to mind here.
Another aspect is the inability to spec out of the power if you did take it for pve or pvp. Most agree here that no respec is teh suck. The point still stands that players will be pissed off. So what if they took it for pvp bercause it was good? Fire tanks were everywhere and all took burn a few issues back. Burn was powerful, many chose it and fiery aura for that reason alone. And they were all pissed when the dev team took it away.
It is a similar situation. You can spec out of burn patch with a fire tank, but that ruined a lot of concepts etc. Cant respec out of a primary power set. So, learn to like whats left over. Same with this patron poole. Learn to like whats left over people, you cant spec out of it.
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Learn to like whats left over people, you cant spec out of it...
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... yet.
The crazy thing about blinders is that you don't always have to wear them.
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but I do take objection to your "I'm a positive person and I'm not complaining because I can log in, maybe you should stop being so defeatist! " condescension.
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Actually, I wasn't being condescending. I was responding to this:
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Honestly, though, why should we accept shoddy products just because others are also producing them? I can't play my Illusion/Kinetics Controller right now because he crashes constantly. The global channels are bugged. Bases kick you out at random intervals. Invincibility was bugged, offering triple DEF, and sets were balanced around this ability which was subsequently fixed with no commensurate fix to the sets. I don't need my enjoyment "destroyed" in order to point out this process is not assuring quality.
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There are plenty of people playing the game that are still enjoying it just fine, even with the problems you described. However, since I don't like to speak for other people, I try to use only my own experience as an example. If that came across in a way I did not intend, then I apologize. I try to state my opinion and have respect for others with an opposing view point at the same time. It doesn't always broadcast that way.
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Sometimes even the gods dance with mortals.
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I'm good like that.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')