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No thank you for the change. I would rather have the infamy badge than a cheesy exploration. At lvl 45-50 the contact is never out-leveled and worst case scenario make it the Second infamy badge.
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There has to be some kind of middle ground between exploration and infamy.
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After all change the TV then you might as well change Doc Buzzsaw as well since its easier to outlevel him before you get 25 over the prestige issue.
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Her, and I do tend to agree here. Bling isn't terribly appropriate to her characterization.
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Please, don't, but find something appropriate that's not just an exploration badge, like a combination (as with Veridian) or something similar.
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I see your point than an explore badge being too easy, but can you come up with a request for a badge that's not trivial but doesn't have SG issues? for example, would Electrician be challenging enough?
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I had electrician by 14, as a lvl 45-50 contact it should be something someone 45-50 could be expected to get. Not something that you just walk over, I want something at least challenging. So far COV hasn't been challenging except for AV's. I have solo'd 85-90% of the game and gotten to lvl 40 in half the time it took me to get my hero.
Even second infamy badge is not unrealistic even with SG issues. Since as a lvl 45-50 you will always be able to earn the infamy needed, and doing a mission at lvl 50 earns considerably more infamy than earlier in the game, you wouldn't have to wait long to get it. I haven't played my lvl 40 actively much in the last 2 months, but I know I can't be that far from 2nd infamy badge.
I'm sure most could say the same. Besides we already know that they want you to roll new characters instead of playing old ones, so why is this such a big deal to work towards, some of us look forward to earning this badge and going yay I get new missions, instead of say woop'd'doo just another useless badge. The requirement for TV being an infamy badge means it'll be primarily unlocked by people who are playing their characters longer. Chances are they will have unlocked and played every other contact and this would open the door for new content without waiting for a patch. A marker to acheive and attain for enjoyment. You don't have to "WORK" towards this badge immendiately. That was the brilliance of the concept.
To change this badge requirement to an exploration, involves no effort, removes the challenge of unlocking this contact. While having it as an infamy requirement allows for a longer term content option for those of us who plan to play our lvl 45-50 past retirement.
You didn't answer my question: name another badge from the list of over 200 that would require more work but not involve infamy. You addressed the one I suggested (sort of - you didn't say if you had worked for it or stumbled upon it) but have yet to give one of your own besides returning to Midas. and Midas isn't problematic for most people because of the effort involved, it was problematic because of the effects it has on your SG.
I take the complete opposite stance on working for contact badges. I think unlocked contacts *should* be worked at. Getting a "side effect" badge like for Infamy is not a fun way to unlock something.
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You didn't answer my question: name another badge from the list of over 200 that would require more work but not involve infamy. You addressed the one I suggested (sort of - you didn't say if you had worked for it or stumbled upon it) but have yet to give one of your own besides returning to Midas. and Midas isn't problematic for most people because of the effort involved, it was problematic because of the effects it has on your SG.
I take the complete opposite stance on working for contact badges. I think unlocked contacts *should* be worked at. Getting a "side effect" badge like for Infamy is not a fun way to unlock something.
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I don't have one that would be preferencial and fit the concept of TV. And I didn't return to Midas, I did suggest Mr. Big, which is a much easier and more practical badge, than Midas.
As for the "side effect" badge, I'm the highest prestige earner and have no problem with infamy, often donating my infamy to SG Mates in need, and this while having been mostly inactive last two months. And I've done it mostly solo, and not doing any grinding (in other words, I haven't been in a mission to just earn infamy or prestige.)
I fail to see the problem, even on my hero side, my non-solo defender is #3 prestige earner and I just gave away 2 million influence to SG mates. I was just sitting on it, so give it to someone who can use it. Currently my hero only has second influence badge, gotten within 3 days of making lvl 50. On this guy I play only to team with my SG or to occasionally try a hami raid.
So as far as this "side effect" issue goes, it isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be. I'm working on two more, one hero, one villain and again, gaining prestige and having no infamy issues in general. And I have the first infamy/influence badge on each. Both are around lvl 30 at this time. My alt villain is #4 on presting in my SG and my alt hero is around #10 soon to be #6.
So as far as working for my badges, I do missions like everyone else. I am not going out of my way, but its not stumbling either. It is the same method every player uses. No power leveling or grinding involved.
Defeat TV-headed Lost to earn the TV contact? Insane or no?
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I don't have one that would be preferencial and fit the concept of TV. And I didn't return to Midas, I did suggest Mr. Big, which is a much easier and more practical badge, than Midas.
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It is, but it's also still one many people aren't finding to be a good choice - it doesn't fit the TV contact very well, either, and still penalizes base-oriented VGs, who need more help, not less.
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As for the "side effect" badge, I'm the highest prestige earner and have no problem with infamy, often donating my infamy to SG Mates in need, and this while having been mostly inactive last two months. And I've done it mostly solo, and not doing any grinding (in other words, I haven't been in a mission to just earn infamy or prestige.)
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I'm the same way. Oddly enough, though, I've done this while being in VG mode for the majority of my villain's career - the enhancement drops alone pay for me and some of my friends. While I fully intend on getting Midas Touch and the epic infamy badges in the fullness of time, I have no driving reason to do so. I don't think that an unlockable contact with six arcs and an accolade-yielding badge mission is something that's improved by forcing me to drop VG mode.
All that being said, I do agree Master of the Airwaves is too far in the other direction, and that a Veridian-style selection of badges is preferable. The notion struck me, too, that whenever I hit the TV contact, the people watching it had not only changed frequently, but they tended to be from groups that yielded badges.
Would it be possible to have the TV be unlocked by having the badges tied to its audience?
I wonder if it would be codable to have each of the TV's arcs unlocked by a different explore badge? sort of channel surfing. That would be more difficult than just 1 explore - consider that Tarixus is the equivalent of 4 explores.
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I don't have one that would be preferencial and fit the concept of TV. And I didn't return to Midas, I did suggest Mr. Big, which is a much easier and more practical badge, than Midas.
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It is, but it's also still one many people aren't finding to be a good choice - it doesn't fit the TV contact very well, either, and still penalizes base-oriented VGs, who need more help, not less.
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But I don't see that base-oriented VG penalty. I'm not penalized. I do same thing as everyone else. Our VG has a nice functional base. And I explained all my prestige above. Where is this penalty you speak of. Unless it is an issue of having the biggest, baddest, base possible that doesn't make for a penalty. Having a good functional base doesn't require all that.
H&R, if simple civility cannot compell you to answer counterarguments or behave in a respectful manner, consider for a moment that your present behavior is not doing you any favors. If you are hoping to convince anyone of changing their opinions, it behooves you to remember that it's unlikely to happen when you ignore whole stretches of posts and pretend that people haven't countered your points with ones of their own. Likewise, it is wise to remember that anecdotes are not universal experiences, and what may hold true for you may not be so for others who are not so fortunate.
I have been civil and respectful or a redname would have said otherwise.
The only items I haven't responded to were statements of opinions and one question that while I disagree, could not possibly answer as it pertains more to a programming nature and not being familiar enough with the programming of the game to know the actual possibility related to cost / time / etc.
And while what may be true for me, may not be true for everyone, yet what I do is what everyone else does, run missions etc. So if I am doing the same thing and getting the same reward, then how can it not be true.
If there is something that I missed as we have gone back and forth, please point it out, if I feel I have answered it, I will copy my previous post for you to read again if necessary.
Thank You,
Hit and Run.
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I have been civil and respectful or a redname would have said otherwise.
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Considering how often flame wars go unchecked throughout these forums, you'll forgive me if I don't use the lack of redname referee commentary as a benchmark.
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The only items I haven't responded to were statements of opinions and one question that while I disagree, could not possibly answer as it pertains more to a programming nature and not being familiar enough with the programming of the game to know the actual possibility related to cost / time / etc.
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Almost all of these posts are statements of opinion. Yours. Mine. Whoever's. Similarly, if you disagree and say so, conversation can move forward without hinging solely upon the ease or lack thereof in coding - only the devs can answer comments along such lines, as only they know their coding.
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And while what may be true for me, may not be true for everyone, yet what I do is what everyone else does, run missions etc. So if I am doing the same thing and getting the same reward, then how can it not be true.
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Because, for starters, when discussing the prestige gains of a group, it helps to know the size of said group. Likewise, I posted an experience with infamy that I felt was strikingly similar to yours - it went without response, though your reply to that post drew upon the conclusions I disputed.
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H&R, if simple civility cannot compell you to answer counterarguments or behave in a respectful manner, consider for a moment that your present behavior is not doing you any favors. If you are hoping to convince anyone of changing their opinions, it behooves you to remember that it's unlikely to happen when you ignore whole stretches of posts and pretend that people haven't countered your points with ones of their own.
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Then point out the "rude" statement word for word. In your case as follows. First off you accuse me of the following, yet do not offer the statement where I am not civil or respectful, if my statement is merely in opposition to yours and that offends you, I'm sorry, but I disagree and have no intention of changing my view. So far you are the only one personally attacking the other here.
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I'm the same way. Oddly enough, though, I've done this while being in VG mode for the majority of my villain's career - the enhancement drops alone pay for me and some of my friends. While I fully intend on getting Midas Touch and the epic infamy badges in the fullness of time, I have no driving reason to do so. I don't think that an unlockable contact with six arcs and an accolade-yielding badge mission is something that's improved by forcing me to drop VG mode.
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Exactly what in this do I respond to? Its a statement of you opinion, I just disagree. Stating so isn't that important, since I'm for having the infamy badge, so you should already realize that. After all I presume you have a modicum of deduction. And no one is forcing you to do anything, it is your choice, you can choose to leave VG mode, or you can choose not to leave VG mode. The only thing changing this badge does, is make the contact available sooner. So someone at lvl 1 could have the contact unlocked instead of someone around lvl 40-50. But since the contact is a lvl 45-50 contact, having it as an infamy isn't that big an issue. The contact will still be available to everyone and will be a badge that is a little more challenging.
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Because, for starters, when discussing the prestige gains of a group, it helps to know the size of said group. Likewise, I posted an experience with infamy that I felt was strikingly similar to yours - it went without response, though your reply to that post drew upon the conclusions I disputed.
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I stated my group size. And have quoted myself below for you.
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HR: I have solo'd 85-90% of the game and gotten to lvl 40 in half the time it took me to get my hero.
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I do not see a post of yours about experience with infamy, I've rechecked these posts a couple of times. I see a response where you agree with me, on your position in your VG, we are both in the high end on prestige. Please tell which of the previous posts you are referring to.
I also see no posts from you where I haven't responded to an actual question you've had or a true point related to our discussion.
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If you are so certain I haven't responded to something, please quote yourself. If you are so certain I've been rude quote me or report me.
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My View: We should have the infamy badge requirement back. I find the second infamy badge (Mr. Big) acceptible to the third (Midas Touch). I find the exploration badge an insult. I've played for 45 levels, most of which so far has been spent stuck at 40 waiting for the new content to arrive. I want some challenge to my game, not impossibility. And this game isn't about only prestige or there wouldn't be infamy. It isn't unfair, because it is possible to attain reasonably. It isn't work, because you don't have to grind to get it, it will happen. But to pick this one contact to change because it is too difficult? It isn't difficult at all. Just play the game. How difficult is that?
I fail to see what your complaint is with the infamy requirement, other than you might have to leave VG Mode. But if that was a game related issue, then they wouldn't let you turn it off. Again it is an issue of choice. And it doesn't penalize your VG. In my VG & SG not everyone plays in SG/VG Mode, and we aren't penalized even slightly by it. That's just how it goes, sometimes people have their own personal things they want to do in game.
I will check to see what you post in regards to your claim I've been rude. Beyond that I've made my view clear.
Take Care,
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I personally have no problem with either the debt of the inf badge requirements for either the accolade or the unlocking of the TV contact. I have my own villian group and yes I try to farm prestige for them when I can, but since the TV goes to lvl 50 I personally dont have a problem with it. Being able to get all the accolades or story arcs with easy badges, or cause one takes too long, is having your cake and eating it too.
It's nice the way it was originally set cause you have to choose, are you that intent on the accolades that at you will get debt to work off? Plenty of ways from old PvP zones to old SF's to do it, that auto malefactor you. As for the TV I liked the infamy badge, at least you wont out lvl this contact like i have for the Slot Machine many many times.
And as to making it good for the casual gamer as well as hardcore gamers. A casual gamer can get to lvl 50 just as quick without the extra badges and often quicker cause they dont spend hours working on them.
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I fail to see what your complaint is with the infamy requirement, other than you might have to leave VG Mode.
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Leaving SG Mode is *exactly* the primary problem with that badge.
I think the problem he's raising with your tone is that you seem to outright refuse to acknowledge that someone else may see that as a problem even though you do not. In fact, many someone elses have stated they do, and explained it in detail, as covered in this thread.
The gameplay choice of this badge+content vs helping a SG can hurt a SG in the simple way that the SG has less Prestige than it would have. And the Devs ackowledged all that and changed the badge.
Now if you don't like the new badge... well, you seem unwilling to compromise to any of the other 200+ badges out there that don't impact a SG, so I won't ask again.
In one mission on my level 50 hero, a FF/Psy Defender. He earns out of SG mode easily 1 million in a mission. Team Size: 6.
Doesn't take much once you get up there. I had my second influence badge only a couple days after lvl 50. Is level 50 so bad that you can't wait til then for a contact? At that point those missions would be great for the prestige, story arc bonuses and all. Worth the time out of VG Mode. Which would be what maybe 2-4 missions at most by lvl 50?
The prestige loss is minimal if at all noticeable at that point.
Oh and btw lvl 40+, if you have debt, you can't earn prestige until your debt is gone anyway. What a thought, exit VG mode for that.
The only problem you have with leaving VG mode is a percieved loss in prestige after all, if earning prestige vs influence/infamy were really a problem you wouldn't have SG Mode. You would earn them together, and as you go up in lvl you wouldn't consitently earn less prestige vs mob.
Per minion, my lvl 50 earns 1-3 while my lvl 40 earns 10-12, get real, by the time you get up to lvl 45-50 where this contact is, the leave VG Mode isn't as big an issue, complain more about how much prestige you actually earn that is a bigger issue than whether a badge that requires you to earn infamy which applies to a contact that is lvl 45-50 is too "harmful" to a VG. You don't have an infamy penalty as you increase in level, you actually earn more. SO again I ask what is the real problem with leaving VG Mode at around lvl 45. That's when you are gonna want to worry about it. Your prestige at that level is non-existent in VG mode, let alone if you have debt.
It is a known fact that when you reach level 50, that they WANT you to roll a new character, hence the higher prestige rate at lower levels. And the wonderful thing is, for the infamy badge is that you earn more infamy at the higher level anyway which is where this contact and mission set is. It is of no concern to anyone prior to that, since they 1) can't get the mission 2) can't get the contact 3) if you are worried about the badge for the accolade, do the same thing as the heroes do, team with someone that has it and sk with them. 4) if leaving VG mode were really that harmful to earning prestige, then VG mode should not exist.
Villain Primary: Prestige Total: 684575 #1 in VG - lvl 40
Villain Secondary: Prestige Total: 186705 #4 in VG - lvl 29
Hero Primary: Prestige Total: 366928 #3 in SG - lvl 50
Hero Secondary: Prestige Total: 135407 #12 in SG - lvl 31
And in comparison, villains have less prestige issues than heroes.
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As previously stated, I find the wholesale ignoring of opposing arguments to be rude.
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Exactly what in this do I respond to? Its a statement of you opinion, I just disagree. Stating so isn't that important, since I'm for having the infamy badge, so you should already realize that.
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Then why is it that you continuously restate your opinion as your argument, but ignore others', particularly their efforts at comprimise?
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And no one is forcing you to do anything, it is your choice, you can choose to leave VG mode, or you can choose not to leave VG mode.
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With regards to the TV, yes, they are, unless I spend all my time grinding for infamy badges before I can't get any more infamy while in VG mode.
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But since the contact is a lvl 45-50 contact, having it as an infamy isn't that big an issue.
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This, BTW, is a statement of opinion. By your logic, I can ignore it outright, never referencing it again, even though it's a key part of your argument.
What makes doing so wrong, however, is that it's dismissive. You believe this. You contribute your time and effort to the game. Your opinion matters - just as mine, just as Mad Scientist's, just as all of ours do. Since you are wanting to change the present circumstances, however, you have to persuade the devs to your side. In the absence, you have only the opposing opinions, which you're trying to argue that you don't have to account for.
We've repeatedly tried to account for yours, but you have not done us the same courtesy.
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I stated my group size. And have quoted myself below for you.
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No, you have not. You stated your team size, at level 50, but not your VG's size.
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I do not see a post of yours about experience with infamy, I've rechecked these posts a couple of times. I see a response where you agree with me, on your position in your VG, we are both in the high end on prestige. Please tell which of the previous posts you are referring to.
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That very post, where I pointed out that my infamy gains stemmed from selling off enhancements, not from gains which contribute toward the infamy badges.
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I also see no posts from you where I haven't responded to an actual question you've had or a true point related to our discussion.
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Then I humbly suggest you reconsider the notion that you're a neutral arbiter in what is and is not a "true point" to the discussion.
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My View: We should have the infamy badge requirement back. I find the second infamy badge (Mr. Big) acceptible to the third (Midas Touch). I find the exploration badge an insult. I've played for 45 levels, most of which so far has been spent stuck at 40 waiting for the new content to arrive. I want some challenge to my game, not impossibility. And this game isn't about only prestige or there wouldn't be infamy. It isn't unfair, because it is possible to attain reasonably. It isn't work, because you don't have to grind to get it, it will happen. But to pick this one contact to change because it is too difficult? It isn't difficult at all. Just play the game. How difficult is that?
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"Just play the game. How difficult is that?"
That is a tone I and others find condescending. Also, by your logic, I need neither quote nor account for anything in this - it is all wholly and completely your opinion.
Likewise, your claim that we're arguing that it's too difficult is a disingenous remark: people have specifically said that it's not a matter of difficulty.
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As previously stated, I find the wholesale ignoring of opposing arguments to be rude.
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Exactly what in this do I respond to? Its a statement of you opinion, I just disagree. Stating so isn't that important, since I'm for having the infamy badge, so you should already realize that.
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You're view is it is okay for you to refuse to compromise on leaving VG Mode, period, there are no exceptions to that for you and you ignore me on that issue all together. But you feel I should compromise on another badge. And my compromise would only have you leave VG Mode for a very short time. And again, since you can't point out the rude argument or show me the point you say I haven't addressed, there clearly isn't one. We are on opposing sides to an argument, and as near as I can tell that is what you find rude.
My VG is made up of 20 people. Of which between about 4 to 8 are on regularly. How large is your VG and how much prestige have you earned?
OK. We understand. we have 2 sects here:
1) Those who believe (aka are under the opinion) that in no circumstance should a SG/VG be required to leave the SG/VG to experience content or gain badges. Thus no infamy badges for contacts.
2) Those who believe (aka are under the opinion) that the lost prestige due to earning an infamy for infamy badges is nominal, and work the work for the content.
Both sides agree that the new badge is too easy.
I am of group #2. That much is known.
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"Just play the game. How difficult is that?"
That is a tone I and others find condescending. Also, by your logic, I need neither quote nor account for anything in this - it is all wholly and completely your opinion.
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"To thine own self be true"
Opinions in general are very hard to change. To change an opinion usually requires some sort of undisputable fact. Nobody is bringing that to the table. Mostly because there is this feeling that since it's not true for me, then it should be fixed. To generalize 'Well I don't have time to join Hami Raids, so HO's should be nerfed.' 'Well I don't have time to earn infamy, so the badge should be changed.' But the devs have sided with the casual player everytime an issue like this has come up.
I really have no clue what makes a casual player vs. a hard-core player. They call people from #2 elitists, and call us hard-core and the like. I like to think of us as hard-workers. I hate the term elitist as it's derrogatory and an insult.
I just wish that the Devs would think about changing something in game just because 6 members out of a thousand+ community complain about it. It seems they do not take into account that the silent voices are not complaining.
I have a lot more to say, trust me. But not in this medium. Nor in PM's as words lack emotion, and way too often the emotions are mistaken.
People warned me about posting on the official forums...they were right...
Sorry if this has been covered, but i didn't wanna sift through 42 pages of stuff but my question is that for the accolades coming out we'll need badges from missions being completed but those contacts I can no longer get missions from at my level and didn't know I could any from them because I needed to obtain a badge first before I could like Archmage Tarixus. So will we be able to go back and do those missions? Since I'm a big badge freak so I get obsessive of getting everyone I can, especially the beneficial accolades. So any info about this that I could be directed to or anything like that?
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Sorry if this has been covered, but i didn't wanna sift through 42 pages of stuff but my question is that for the accolades coming out we'll need badges from missions being completed but those contacts I can no longer get missions from at my level and didn't know I could any from them because I needed to obtain a badge first before I could like Archmage Tarixus. So will we be able to go back and do those missions? Since I'm a big badge freak so I get obsessive of getting everyone I can, especially the beneficial accolades. So any info about this that I could be directed to or anything like that?
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I think you can still join a team that is llower level and help them with their mission, as you will be auto-exemplared for TF's
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Sorry if this has been covered, but i didn't wanna sift through 42 pages of stuff but my question is that for the accolades coming out we'll need badges from missions being completed but those contacts I can no longer get missions from at my level and didn't know I could any from them because I needed to obtain a badge first before I could like Archmage Tarixus. So will we be able to go back and do those missions? Since I'm a big badge freak so I get obsessive of getting everyone I can, especially the beneficial accolades. So any info about this that I could be directed to or anything like that?
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taraxis was the only badge contact pre I7 that needed a badge to unlock, all the rest u should have gotten if u did all ur regular contacts, but u can go team with some1 who is doin the mission and u will get the badge from it even if it is 40+ levels below u
You won't be able get the missions yourself per se, but you can join others that have those missions, I make/delete alts all the time for the lower levels and offer those missions.
My recommendation is tri-fold:
1) Join the Chat channel "Vidiotmaps.com"
2) goto www.vidiotmaps.com and goto the forums and add to bookmarks - you can also find a link to a badge tracking site that will help you identify what you have vs what you need.
3) goto http://www.nofuture.org.uk/cov/ and add to your bookmarks as well
Depending on your server there may be a channel specific to there that will put you in communications with others on your server specifically. I know that Guardian server has the "Guardian" channel. Also check NoFuture for which contact offers which mission and check with those in your Villain Group that might be on or getting those contacts with those missions.
Hope that helps you.
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P.S. Thanks Ewok.
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You're view is it is okay for you to refuse to compromise on leaving VG Mode, period, there are no exceptions to that for you and you ignore me on that issue all together.
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No, my view is that I don't feel that a six arc, accolad badge-yielding contact is improved by having him be unlocked through a badge that requires dropping VG mode for no other purpose than to get that badge and this contact. The game is content-starved enough, IMO, that this sort of 'addition' is unwarranted. If it'd been like, say, Jaeger, in that it only unlocked one arc with no badge rewards (much less an accolade), I'd have no real issue here.
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But you feel I should compromise on another badge. And my compromise would only have you leave VG Mode for a very short time.
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For some people. For others, an extended time. Stalkers, for instance, tend to take longer to earn the same amount of infamy.
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And again, since you can't point out the rude argument or show me the point you say I haven't addressed, there clearly isn't one.
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I have. I laid it out clearly, complete with quote. I also pointed out precisely how I find your belief that opinions aren't worth debating is one that's flawed. To both of these, you've responded as if I said nothing at all.
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We are on opposing sides to an argument, and as near as I can tell that is what you find rude.
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Funny, that's my exact feeling about how I think you view us - that, being as we're opposing you, no manner of argument we put forward is worth your attention.
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My VG is made up of 20 people. Of which between about 4 to 8 are on regularly. How large is your VG and how much prestige have you earned?
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Never said that my VG wasn't comparable to yours, just that the infamy gains for me tended to be from enhancement sales, which don't yield badges - something you glossed over.
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Opinions in general are very hard to change. To change an opinion usually requires some sort of undisputable fact. Nobody is bringing that to the table. Mostly because there is this feeling that since it's not true for me, then it should be fixed.
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*shrugs* Neither side's particularly true for me. I'm trying to look at what I consider to be a bigger picture here - that there's no compelling reason for a six arc, badge-yielding contact to be limited thus, including story reasons. There are portions of the game (both sides) that could use those arcs, and the accolades for villains seem to be awarded late compared to the heroes (though, admittedly, this is a PvP issue and the TV's accolade is comparatively minor). Yes, I'm intending to get Midas Touch anyway, one way or another, and I already have Mr. Big. OTOH, the additional hitch to an infamy badge is that it requires forsaking the VG for a time, when the devs should be giving people more reason to run in VG mode, not less. I remember when people complained loudly about the devs lowering the requirement for Zookeeper from 10K monkeys to 1K - I was just glad nobody else would have to go through the tedium I did.
At the end of the day, however, the devs are the only ones who make the decision, and in absence of them making their reasonings known, we have only the discussions in this thread and similar.
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To generalize 'Well I don't have time to join Hami Raids, so HO's should be nerfed.' 'Well I don't have time to earn infamy, so the badge should be changed.' But the devs have sided with the casual player everytime an issue like this has come up.
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Rather because they have to - the casual players tend to be the ones who keep MMOs afloat.
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I really have no clue what makes a casual player vs. a hard-core player.
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It's generally viewed as a matter of how much time a week you play (in which case, I'm hard core, often clocking in 5+ hours a day), or how much time you spend advancing yourself in game (in which case, I'm casual, since I prefer RP).
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They call people from #2 elitists, and call us hard-core and the like. I like to think of us as hard-workers. I hate the term elitist as it's derrogatory and an insult.
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If, however, someone's looking down on others, the elitism tag's not being unfairly awarded. When a hard core player condescends to casual players, when he calls them whiners, then he's being elitist in many players' opinions.
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I just wish that the Devs would think about changing something in game just because 6 members out of a thousand+ community complain about it. It seems they do not take into account that the silent voices are not complaining.
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Neither do you take into account the silent voices who didn't support the Midas Touch method. The silent majority's silence means we cannot assume them to be of either side. Similarly, you're not considering the possibility that the devs changed their minds not because we complained, but because they agreed with our reasons for complaining.
I see your point than an explore badge being too easy, but can you come up with a request for a badge that's not trivial but doesn't have SG issues? for example, would Electrician be challenging enough?