If u read thru the kheld arcs and Moonfire TF and the comics and such stuff, khelds have there own technology. So its possible they traveled here, maby as far back as ancient Rome, in space ships of there own design.
Although like many have said bein made of pure light energy they could more than likely, when not attached to a host, travel thru space/time at light speed. Not too sure how this would affect there already short life-span of around 10yrs w/o a host. I dont want to get into that any deeper with the quantum mechanics,cats in boxes, attachin 2 black-holes together and crap, hehe.
Seeing as Twilight Son must be usin Ouroboros to time-travel i dont think they could travel faster than light-speed or right at it maby. And thats assuming he does have to use Ouroboros. Im just glad that someone put alot of the kheld info in one spot, thanks Memphis_Bill.
Hey, does anyone remember when Hero1 said Romulus Augustus had a connection with Romulus the warshade? Did he ever go into that?
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He did not. All he said there is some connection.
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"- The closest star is 4.2 light years away. Unless Peacebringers have hosts that can survive interstellar space, something Cyst-like or can 'hibernate' as well, it would take nearly half a Kheld's natural life to get here (assuming that, as an energy being and having no mass, they could travel at the speed of light.)"
Just a heads up, but if they were moving at the speed of light they wouldn't age, because each individual particle would maintain its relative position, and entropy would minimize.
If they were going close to the speed of light they'd age but they'd age much less. So even if the star were 50 or so light years away they could get here and age little enough that they'd be safe.
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Just a heads up, but if they were moving at the speed of light they wouldn't age, because each individual particle would maintain its relative position, and entropy would minimize.
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Interesting little addition added (that I'm waiting for more info on) regarding travel.
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im not sure if someone has asked this but, does any one know if there is any relation between kheld's and rikti? Surely they crossed paths at one point... Or at least rikti and nictus? Both evil and wanting to conqure....
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The Rikti are from a parallel dimension. As far as I know, we do not have evidence one way or another if Khelds exist in the Rikti dimension. Nor do we yet have conclusive evidence the race that transformed the Rikti does or does not exist in the Primal Earth dimension.|
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im not sure if someone has asked this but, does any one know if there is any relation between kheld's and rikti? Surely they crossed paths at one point... Or at least rikti and nictus? Both evil and wanting to conqure....
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Edit, and as far as a relation, no. Rikti are from a parallel earth. Khelds are from another Galaxy. No relationship. But if Khelds exist in the Rikti dimension, they might have arrived (or atleast their equivalent of nictus might have) in Rikti-earth's past just like the nictus arrived in primal earth's past. But that's all speculation.
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Thanks for this Bill! Very helpful.
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im not sure if someone has asked this but, does any one know if there is any relation between kheld's and rikti? Surely they crossed paths at one point... Or at least rikti and nictus? Both evil and wanting to conqure....
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Thanks for this Bill! Very helpful.
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It's been a LONG time since I initially read this - Good Stuff, Bill.
On the new subject of travel, you have a typo in your text - you mention...
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I believe you mean Dwarf based on what Avatea wrote.| And someone did. Per the lore bible, in a Kheldian's Light form, they *can* get to light speed... at which point they do something very comic-book-y, switch to Nova, and basically create a wormhole. |
On the question of "How do Peacebringers reproduce?", I'll offer some speculation -
As a "natural" origin creature, I'd hypothesize it reproduces through Fission, similar
conceptually, to the way simple cells divide.
Or put another way, if Light Form is simply energy, what prevents it from
dissipating?
Evidently the being itself maintains/retains a certain size and shape, and prevents it
from occurring through some unknown mechanism.
By corollary, how does a Peacebringer (an energy being) die?
Presumably, if/when it becomes too weak to maintain its Light Form, it does
dissipate and the being ceases to exist as a distinct and sentient life form.
Given that hypothesis, it seems natural that such a being (if strong) would possibly
be able to choose to divide itself into 2 equivalent (but weaker) copies through
fission.
It probably raises as many questions as it answers, but it works for me
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I believe you mean Dwarf based on what Avatea wrote.
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And the rest works for me,a s well - after all, in a way it does relate to what we know of Nictus, fragments, Voids/Galaxies and the like as well (remember, there's mention of them going to "Full conversion" to Nictus.) So you could, in theory, get *many* nictus from one that way.
Whether a non-Nictus Kheldian would let that happen or go through that process, I don't know. It *sounds* like basic drives (take over the body, back to the stars) remain intact. No idea about personality - I'd assume not, personally.
Presumeably, though, Nova would be just as good, so long as it was a form with mass?
Well, given the Dwarf forms "lived on a Neutron star" (itself ... yeah....) I'd say there might be a certain minimum mass needed. *shrug* But it's all comic book physics. They could manage to do it by turning into a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for all we know.
I did a search on the forums, but didn't turn up anything.
Is there an extended list or speculated abilities a Peacebringer/Warshade would be given in the lore? Does the host by relation become a partial energy being? My buddies and I assume such, since they -can- technically shapeshift with the manipulation.
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I did a search on the forums, but didn't turn up anything.
Is there an extended list or speculated abilities a Peacebringer/Warshade would be given in the lore? Does the host by relation become a partial energy being? My buddies and I assume such, since they -can- technically shapeshift with the manipulation. |
With the Kheldian joined, they have the ability to manipulate form, sure (basically changing and rearranging mass and energy as needed.) However, it wouldn't permanently alter the host. A few examples:
- Name's escaping me right now, but the Warshade the Circle forcibly separated into human and ex-Nictus wasn't an energy being... just human.
- The Peacebringers that temporarily joined with a host of various politicians, etc. to set a trap for the Nictus were there temporarily - and left the hosts unharmed.
- The ex-prisoners of the Council that were kept weakened and used as "temporary hosts" to Nictus traveling via cyst were - without a nictus - just very weak, abused humans when rescued.
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As for "just" creating a form or "just" modifying one... nothing we *know* of from the lore indicates they do that, or can without a template. Admittedly nothing says they *can't,* but I tend to want to err on the side of caution before just assigning abilities we've never seen.
I just linked this to a buddy starting his first WS last night.
He came up with the name War Vessel and wants to make the concept be a Nictus using a machine as a temp. 'host'.
My question is, since Kheldians can manipulate matter and energy, would the Nictus in theory, be able to turn metal into organic and back, or is that to jarring a concept?
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I just linked this to a buddy starting his first WS last night.
He came up with the name War Vessel and wants to make the concept be a Nictus using a machine as a temp. 'host'. My question is, since Kheldians can manipulate matter and energy, would the Nictus in theory, be able to turn metal into organic and back, or is that to jarring a concept? |
I'd *assume,* though, that they wouldn't get the same life-extension as joining with a regular organic host without some special setup. Or change the basic properties of their host (besides, even if they could turn metal into organic matter, it wouldn't make the machine "alive.")
That's what I advised him of, to make it a temporary host. It's a battleMech that was discarded and was the only vessel avail. at the time. He didn't want a joined character/shared mind deal so he's okay with it dying at the end of his story arc. Already planning out the 'Grand Sacrifice' finale I think. Thanks for the backstory by the way!
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2) If the Kheldian planet/rock of residence is close to the Rikti planet, they may have piggy-backed on the Rikti ships and hopped off once they entered orbit and traveled down on their own.
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Have you read through the Rikti arcs?
If not... stop reading, spoiler ahead.
The Rikti are humans from another dimension.
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I... erm, knew that.
Seriously, I did. It was just kind of a spur-of-the-moment theory.
Besides, who ever said the Kheldians weren't extra/inter-dimensional?
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