Constructing Items, Bases, and their costs

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Yes but some of us perfer not to use exploits to gain the extra prestige. Nor are we asking to have the bases handed to us. What we are asking is a realistc time frame to obtain basic functionality within normal play means.

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Exploits? God you whiners are relentless. Anything that is productive is classified as an exploit?

Cry me a river.. build me a bridge.. and get the F#%^ over it. You guys are like friggin locusts. The moment someone reduces your invalid attempts at crying doom with proven evidence, you flock to a new place to complain about something different.

Oh my god.. Maldini.. your going into a PvP zone? and earning a bonus to prestege while helping your side get buffs and debuff the opposing side? Your using the zone for what it was intended for? OH MY GOD YOUR SUCH A CHEATER! *sarcasm*

Yeah, it's not an exploit. The missions are repeatable by design and are intended that way. There's no rules against doing the same mission to completion over and over again. If that's the case, then I guess the Kora Fruit missions are exploits because it allows people to constantly get an influx of the best inspirations?

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Yes but some of us perfer not to use exploits to gain the extra prestige. Nor are we asking to have the bases handed to us. What we are asking is a realistc time frame to obtain basic functionality within normal play means.

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Exploits? God you whiners are relentless. Anything that is productive is classified as an exploit?

Cry me a river.. build me a bridge.. and get the F#%^ over it. You guys are like friggin locusts. The moment someone reduces your invalid attempts at crying doom with proven evidence, you flock to a new place to complain about something different.

Oh my god.. Maldini.. your going into a PvP zone? and earning a bonus to prestege while helping your side get buffs and debuff the opposing side? Your using the zone for what it was intended for? OH MY GOD YOUR SUCH A CHEATER! *sarcasm*

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First off, prestige should be earned FROM ANY Gameplay in a reasonable rate where any SG can will be able to create a raidable base in a reasonable amount of time.

Telling people "well go to bloody bay and do the missions there" isn't a solution. Its not even close.

People want to be able to play their characters, run through story arcs not sit in bloody bay doing missions all the time b/c they may or may not like pvp in general but still want to earn a reasonable amount of prestige for their SG.

You all keep saying go to bloody bay. Bloody Bay is not an option for every character, infact its an option for very few b/c the missions are only attainable in a certain level range. Often a group doesn't have anyone in that level range or the level range for other pvp zones or not all of the group members want to go to those zones b/c they're pvp.

Everyone's been posting Evidence of what they're earning, 2.5k has been about the average per hour rate. 50k Per week seems the average for small SG's.

Screaming that they should just go to Bloody Bay b/c you think its how prestige is best earned ignores all of the PvE game that people actually ENJOY about this game.

People shouldn't have to be forced to a pvp zone to earn a reasonable amount of prestige that isn't that reasonable either.

No one is whining. Its poeple like you coming in screaming about whiners that never get anything accomplished. We've been discussing what we're experiencing and how best to change things for the better and all your doing is screaming stop whining.

Try actually discussing solutions, alternatives or providing proof to back up your statements not just "go to bloody bay, this guy said its better".

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Yeah, it's not an exploit. The missions are repeatable by design and are intended that way. There's no rules against doing the same mission to completion over and over again. If that's the case, then I guess the Kora Fruit missions are exploits because it allows people to constantly get an influx of the best inspirations?

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Sorry you havn't been around long enough.. the Kora Missions USED to be very different.. they were already nerfed.

When the Devs realize that people are farming the missions in the PvP zones for Prestige and not just playing them for the fun of it.. they'll nerf them.

Its standard procedure to discourage any farming-like activity.

Really? The last time I did them, they are infinitely repeatable with random Kora fruit types each time the mission is chosen. You can still do one to completion, then pick another one and possibly get a different type of Kora fruit. That hasn't changed as long as I have been around. And who's to say someone couldn't farm that mission for inspirations? They made it repeatable for exactly that reason, as a way to attain high end inspirations. They come at a certain price however as the caves are filled with Psi-blasting Rularuu. Risk versus Reward.

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Yes but some of us perfer not to use exploits to gain the extra prestige. Nor are we asking to have the bases handed to us. What we are asking is a realistc time frame to obtain basic functionality within normal play means.

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Exploits? God you whiners are relentless. Anything that is productive is classified as an exploit?

Cry me a river.. build me a bridge.. and get the F#%^ over it. You guys are like friggin locusts. The moment someone reduces your invalid attempts at crying doom with proven evidence, you flock to a new place to complain about something different.

Oh my god.. Maldini.. your going into a PvP zone? and earning a bonus to prestege while helping your side get buffs and debuff the opposing side? Your using the zone for what it was intended for? OH MY GOD YOUR SUCH A CHEATER! *sarcasm*

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First off, prestige should be earned FROM ANY Gameplay in a reasonable rate where any SG can will be able to create a raidable base in a reasonable amount of time.

Telling people "well go to bloody bay and do the missions there" isn't a solution. Its not even close.

People want to be able to play their characters, run through story arcs not sit in bloody bay doing missions all the time b/c they may or may not like pvp in general but still want to earn a reasonable amount of prestige for their SG.

You all keep saying go to bloody bay. Bloody Bay is not an option for every character, infact its an option for very few b/c the missions are only attainable in a certain level range. Often a group doesn't have anyone in that level range or the level range for other pvp zones or not all of the group members want to go to those zones b/c they're pvp.

Everyone's been posting Evidence of what they're earning, 2.5k has been about the average per hour rate. 50k Per week seems the average for small SG's.

Screaming that they should just go to Bloody Bay b/c you think its how prestige is best earned ignores all of the PvE game that people actually ENJOY about this game.

People shouldn't have to be forced to a pvp zone to earn a reasonable amount of prestige that isn't that reasonable either.

No one is whining. Its poeple like you coming in screaming about whiners that never get anything accomplished. We've been discussing what we're experiencing and how best to change things for the better and all your doing is screaming stop whining.

Try actually discussing solutions, alternatives or providing proof to back up your statements not just "go to bloody bay, this guy said its better".

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Bloody Bay is an option. That's what he's trying to say. You don't have to go there, but if you do, it can help make your Prestige worries go away sooner. It's an option just like most other things in this game. Once again. Risk versus Reward.

Still don't want to go into PvP zones? Well then grab as many SG mates as you can, and finish all their Kill X Amount of Mobs missions as quickly as possible. If everyone has 3 contacts, then these missions are bound to pop quite frequently. Finishing them is a nice way to get the mission bonus quickly without having to do a lengthy door mission.

Kora missions used to award EXP for gathering the insps.

Farming them for Insps was not deemed worth worrying about since only those over level 46 could go in and farm, there is a very limited number of insps you can possibly carry, and you use them so quickly in missions (at least the dev's want you to use them quickly) that you should use an entire tray of insps in one mission which really means your going in to farm kora every other mission and slowing down your actual progress in the game.

Just like the mobs that pour out of the Circle of Thorns Portals used to be minions, lt's and bosses giving exp for their kills and people would setup teams of 8 and go afk with auto attacks on that would kill the mobs and gain MASSIVE amounts of exp and inf.

Well the Kora Fruit is quite useful, especially in PvP, Arena Matches, Base Raids etc. They give an advantage over the ones that you can buy in the store, and any advantage in those situations is worth it. I used to farm Kora Fruit after I reached level 46 and then give those insp to the lower levels in my SG to help them out in their missions.

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Well the Kora Fruit is quite useful, especially in PvP, Arena Matches, Base Raids etc. They give an advantage over the ones that you can buy in the store, and any advantage in those situations is worth it. I used to farm Kora Fruit after I reached level 46 and then give those insp to the lower levels in my SG to help them out in their missions.

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Yes but your taking time and effort to get them and they're simply inspriations. They're not game breaking in any way shape or form, thats WHY the kora fruit mission was put in.

The PvP missions were put in for additional content in the PvP zones, not for people to farm for prestige and as soon as the devs see people doing just that.. they'll nerf the prestige awarded.

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No, but you can't complain about the prices of coffee in CA if you don't live there and have to put up with it every day. For the same reason, your trying to advocate for something that you only know of vicariously. Therefore you're arguing for no reason.

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Well by this logic Americans can not complain about the war in Iraq because they are not soldiers. Americans can not complain about the AIDS epidemic in Africa because they don't live there. Angelina Jolie can not speak for third world countries because she is not from one. You make little to no sense here. There are countless examples of people being able to argue for things they only know of vicariously.

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Yes, you are wrong. Thank you for finally admitting it. You can fit 9 rooms on a basic plot. 2 of those rooms can't hold anchors, so you have 7 rooms that can. A raid teleporter can be placed in a small Transport Room (2 x 2) with careful placing and deletion of doorways, etc. This has been argued in the above posts. That would be the only reason why you couldn't raid on a basic plot.

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It has been argued back and forth in many posts on many threads. A lot of people who seem to know what they are talking about say it is possible and a lot of people who seem to know what they are talking say it is not possible. I still am unsure, however if it is possible I have no trouble admitting that I am wrong.


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You don't have to farm, just keep running missions in SG mode. You want an example? Bloody Bay missions. PvP zones give 20% boost to prestige earnings. These missions are simple and quick to finish. There are timed, but are infinitely repeatable. There are various ways in which a group can do this missions, either a hard way or an easy way. You wanted an example, you got one. For every point there is a counterpoint. Quid pro quo. For every time you say people can only earn this much per hour, I can show you how they can earn this much per hour. And you know what's the best? The fact that I have done this as well as others. I have experience in this, you do not.

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Well you gave an example in a PVP zone that is only for certain lvls. I am not sure that is the best example you can give. It is 1 example, a limited example, can't you do better?

Also for some reason you seem to think that I haven't even played this game. That I don't have experience in getting prestige. Well I can tell you that is incorrect. I do in fact know what I am doing when it comes to earning prestige. And I am also pleased to see that the base of your arguments are in the form of personal attacks on me. That indicates that you have no real data to back up your claims. Only data that you and your friends, a small subset of the gaming community, has found.

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You should take the time and actually do missions yourself and experiement yourself, just like other and I have done. Your time would be better spent trying to help these people out by finding alternatives instead of being an idiot in a forum and posting for the sake of hearing yourself talk.

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Ah, there you go again with the personal attacks. It is incorrect to assume that I have not figured out ways to get good prestige figures. In fact, you don't even need to play to know about the Bloody Bay missions, the forums have those ways listed. The difference between you and me is that you assume that because you have found a way to get decent prestige figures that small SGs should just do it your way. I think that they should be able to do it own their own terms and get a raidable base in about 14 weeks. Real data from those types of SGs show that it is going to take either 21 or 84 weeks (depending on whether or not 1.5 or 4.5 is right) to get that base. 21, if correct, is not the end of the world, but it is still about 5 weeks too long. If 84 is correct, then it is way too long.

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Actually I do have real data, because I have gained prestige. It's not that hard to do really. You are the one who has no real data. You just read through forums all day and decide to advocate for situations you have never experienced yourself. Unfortunately I don't have enough online data space to copy of full nights worth of a demo file for you to look at. Like I said earlier, go start a small SG and work at ways to make things better instead of crying NERF to the devs at every chance you get.

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Jeez more personal attacks...Saying I read the forums all day? Aren't you the one with all the posts in a short amount of time? The one who said they post on the forums alot because they are bored at work??

Again, I have played the game, and I know how to earn prestige. As far as your data being the only real data, I just don't know how to explain it to you. You can't take your numbers that you and your mates make and apply them across the board to every small SG. Especially when the techniques you list are either farming or from a limited mission type that is only for certain levels.

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There have been posts after posts of people saying that affording bases are not as bad as you think. There are new CoV VG's that have a better base than established, large CoH SG's. But maybe you fail to read these posts and only read the ones that support your cause?

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Likewise there have been post after post saying the exact opposite. Who should we believe? Well I am inclined to believe what the math and data support. All of the people who have these nice bases have been farming prestige. Or are doing the PvP missions.

I ask why is it so bad to consider what the so called whiners are whining about? I took the time to do the math and research from prestige earnings and I do not think they are whining. I think they have a point.

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Good, go out there and reproduce the situations, then like a true lawyer or scientist you can say that you have yourself shown objectively that the base system is flawed. But of course you'd have to compete with those SG's and VG's who will prove you wrong time and time again with objective evidence. I've tested and found better ways to earn prestige, you haven't. You just whine post after post about ridiculous assumptions.

Start your own SG, build your own base, then come back and we'll talk about this.

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Goodness gracious more accusations of not earning prestige, you are hilarious boy. The best part is that I AM doing this objectively. I am looking at the forums, doing my own missions at a normal rate and calculating an amount that seems reasonable. That amount is 2.5K. Can I personally do better? Yes. Does it matter? No. Am I going out and saying, well if you farm Bloody Bay you get 6k per hour? No. I am looking at it objectively and taking data from the small SGs. I am actually looking outside of my own experiences to draw conclusions, something you seemingly are not doing.

Well, we'll just have to see about that. The last time I checked you weren't personal friends with the Devs and therefore cannot assume what they will and won't nerf.

Time will tell. Those missions were put in there AND given a prestige boost for a reason. There a reward for a risk. If people want to sit in there and repeat continuously then they take the risk of engaging in PvP.

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Well, we'll just have to see about that. The last time I checked you weren't personal friends with the Devs and therefore cannot assume what they will and won't nerf.

Time will tell. Those missions were put in there AND given a prestige boost for a reason. There a reward for a risk. If people want to sit in there and repeat continuously then they take the risk of engaging in PvP.

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You have no clue who I'm friends with and who I'm not. That makes no difference. The dev's standard operating procedure has been proven time and again since I've been participating in this game (which was March of 2004).

yall write too long. please, limit responses to two paragraphs or less. haiku acceptable. thanks.

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Well, we'll just have to see about that. The last time I checked you weren't personal friends with the Devs and therefore cannot assume what they will and won't nerf.

Time will tell. Those missions were put in there AND given a prestige boost for a reason. There a reward for a risk. If people want to sit in there and repeat continuously then they take the risk of engaging in PvP.

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You have no clue who I'm friends with and who I'm not. That makes no difference. The dev's standard operating procedure has been proven time and again since I've been participating in this game (which was March of 2004).

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No I may not, but I can get a good idea from the fact that you're sitting here complaining about a problem that you have not experienced.

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Well, we'll just have to see about that. The last time I checked you weren't personal friends with the Devs and therefore cannot assume what they will and won't nerf.

Time will tell. Those missions were put in there AND given a prestige boost for a reason. There a reward for a risk. If people want to sit in there and repeat continuously then they take the risk of engaging in PvP.

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You have no clue who I'm friends with and who I'm not. That makes no difference. The dev's standard operating procedure has been proven time and again since I've been participating in this game (which was March of 2004).

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No I may not, but I can get a good idea from the fact that you're sitting here complaining about a problem that you have not experienced.

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So now your claiming to know what I have and have not experienced in game?

Every SG at one point in time was small. A logical look at anything can easily give you a reasonable example how how things operate on a smaller scale and just READING people's posts on here can tell you volumes about the experiences of smaller sgs. Especially when they provide numbers backing up thier experiences so that people can do the math and figure things out.

You just seem to ignore all that as if no one knows what they're talking about and appearently your psychic too.

Well according to Statesman, only 4% of the gaming population posts on the forums. So then isn't your data pretty skewed in your favor? The fact remains that there are many small SG's out there getting prestige and not coming to the forums whining about it.

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Well according to Statesman, only 4% of the gaming population posts on the forums. So then isn't your data pretty skewed in your favor? The fact remains that there are many small SG's out there getting prestige and not coming to the forums whining about it.

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That doesn't change the numbers their earning.

When everyone reporting, reports the same thing, there are going to be very few folks who are going to get different results from doing average missions.

The reason so few people participte in the boards is because they don't ahve the time or simply don't care. They play the game until the get fed up with the changes, lack of ability to do something or simply bored. They then leave. Where as those of us that do have the time and care about the game make the effort to make it better. Not just sit around and start arguements with people or ignore that there's a problem entirely.

Not everyone is reporting the same thing. In fact more than a few are reporting numbers that are 2 to 4 times than this average that your quoting. But you're only looking at the data that supports your cause.

Actually, most of what I read on here depresses me and tempts me to quit altogether. Luckily, then I get home and play the game for a while to relax and am quickly reminded of why I enjoy CoH. Sometime later I will check my Prestige and realize that I've earned another 5,000 or so and go "W00T!" I will someday have a cool PvE base and be as cool as a Klondike bar. Hopefully by then My SG will have 40 or more members who are earning Influence like crazy and getting all those sweet teleporters and Trees of Life set up.

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Not everyone is reporting the same thing. In fact more than a few are reporting numbers that are 2 to 4 times than this average that your quoting. But you're only looking at the data that supports your cause.

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The small handfull of people who'v reported earning anything more than the 2.5k have also proven that they're doing it through very specific means that are NOT indicitative of average gameplay. Which is WHY you can't factor them into the equation b/c we're trying to help everyone to be able to enjoy bases and base raiding, average gamer and power gamer.

Or can you not understand that some numbers reported are special circumstances and that not everyone likes to do the exact same thing over and over and over again, that they actually like to play the game, do the missions, go through the story arcs, and level their character?

As soon as someone presents solid evidence that all these people earning the 2.5k average are doing something wrong in their regular missions, their street hunting, or their task forces that their numbers are way off THEN we can talk about why so many people arn't earning more prestige when they easily could be.

Going to PvP zones, farming repeatable missions, or finding one specific mob that gives disproportionate prestige due ot a bug or oversight does NOT constitute a solution, in fact if used by the majority those methods will simply get nerfed.

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It is kinda hard to argue with someone who's position basically consists of "I don't wanna work for my base! I want it to be easier. It takes too long."

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It is kinda hard to argue with someone who's position basically consists of "I don't wanna work for my base! I want it to be easier. It takes too long."

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Where exactly did you ever hear that i don't want to work for my base? I have been one of the people working HARDEST to get a base up and running.

Since YOU Can't see the problems present with the current prestige levels there's obviously no point in trying to explain to you anything about it.

Hundreds of others have posted seeing the problem and many are looking for a solution. Not a single one of them has said that bases should be instant.. but they also don't want to take six months just to start participating in iop base raids.