Thank you for the Wolf Mission Timer
By
10101,
Posted on: 2005-02-22 21:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I feel as though I will now miss something that the game offered. I never PLed on Wolves and I feel that I missed out on some of the content that was in the game.
[/ QUOTE ]
Look me up as Gramaton Cleric, and we can powerlevel you theold fashion way, by going out there are kicking butt together!
G.
good, now that will keep people from asking if i have wolfie missions and i can pl them.
Yup and those of us who still herd in other missions are keeping our mouths shut and not sharing the info. 
Herding lives folks.
Bah! One of the biggest complaints of the Anti-Power leveling crowd was that it skewed the dev's numbers, forcing them to focus on higher level content and not spending time fixing bugs or developing new content. When it seems it is more the complainers, forcing the devs to work on issues they cannot ignore that leave the content untouched and bugs ignored or unresolved. I would say, Who cares about the wolf mission, maybe you could save me the 10 minutes each time you patch that it takes to recreate my checksum file, or how about fixing the bug that takes my sidekick down to the red whenever we zone. Yeah, real big win here, you made the power levelers change missions, did nothing for everyone else.
For the people that think this is going to stop the powerleveling, the tells, or the low levels in PI,it's not. The basic fact remains; as long as there is Side Kicking, there will be powerleveling. Now if you want to make a case to remove that, there is also bad news; As long as teams with different levels can get xp, there will be power leveling
Now knowing this, who wants to talk about the steps needed to remove power leveling?
Overall, here's my report card for this move;
Issue 4? No
Skills system? No
CoV? No
Bases? No
Global Chat Live? No
One mission that could be used by power levelers changed? Yes
Big win! 
Yes, now people will herd other praetorian outdoor missions. "Wanna herd bums?" Thank god the "problem" was adressed, and the design team didnt cave to whiners on the board.
Really, was this even needed after the boulder disorient thing? Ive done the mission (which took over an hour, because mobs got stuck in treest btw...), after the addition of the disorient I dont think the wolves were THAT much different from many other mobs to warrant a change. Particularly one that will result in people failing the mission. Hell, at one hour, defeat all, finding 15 glowies and beating an AV... Id say it encourages herding to beat it in time...
[ QUOTE ]
This was not a "fix". It was the devs telling us that we will play the game that we pay for the way they want us to or they will change it so we do. BOOOO!!! You guys really suck.
[/ QUOTE ]
I concur. They should make the game play the way we want it. I want them to put a new trainer in Galaxy City that appears at the bottom of the steps in front of city hall there. When I click on the trainer, if I have no experience points yet, the game will automatically make me 50th level and give me 3 respecs. I mean really, they shouldn't make us play the game the way they think it should be played. 
RagManX
"if the market were religion Fulmens would be Moses and you'd be L. Ron Hubbard. " --Nethergoat to eryq2
The economy is not broken. The players are
ok ok ok according to u guys...the wolf mish is timed now to those u dont have it yet...but my question is this....couldnt u reset it the SAME exact way u reset the kraken mish? if u cant fine ill miss it...if u can...u just delayed the inevitable:P
Only because there are a few people complaining about it.
[ QUOTE ]
Yup and those of us who still herd in other missions are keeping our mouths shut and not sharing the info. Herding lives folks.
[/ QUOTE ]
Well, don't send me a /tell to ask for my help. I could care less what you do on your time, but I don't want to be pestered because someone wants my powerset for their benefit.
Enjoy it while you can. Two people can keep a secret when one of them is dead.
Mr. Lithuania
Jessica to Nathan in bed: "I'm not really bad, Isaac just drew me that way."
timed av mish. that's a laugh.
do you even get a warning?
This is silly. Now you're just going to get tells "herd freaks?" "herd ninjas?". They can't time everything. This is something that should just be left alone, and if people want to herd, let them herd.
[ QUOTE ]
Now you're just going to get tells "herd freaks?" "herd ninjas?".
[/ QUOTE ]
Let's play a game! Predict the l33t shorthand for alternate herding missions!
Freaks: not a lot of room here, probably just "freaks"
Crazed: bums, or crazies
Bobcat's minions: furries
Battle Maiden's minions: ??
Council: we could call them nazis, just for old times' sake
Seriously, it is naive to think that lv50 tanks, lv50 devices blasters, and lv42-45 middles are going to stop getting tells from people making herding teams, or that PL begging in PI is going to stop. There's a pause right now while the kiddies figure out what to ask for. The elite players already moved on, but they're not the ones sending blind invites and begging.
[ QUOTE ]
Bah! One of the biggest complaints of the Anti-Power leveling crowd was that it skewed the dev's numbers, forcing them to focus on higher level content and not spending time fixing bugs or developing new content. When it seems it is more the complainers, forcing the devs to work on issues they cannot ignore that leave the content untouched and bugs ignored or unresolved. I would say, Who cares about the wolf mission, maybe you could save me the 10 minutes each time you patch that it takes to recreate my checksum file, or how about fixing the bug that takes my sidekick down to the red whenever we zone. Yeah, real big win here, you made the power levelers change missions, did nothing for everyone else.
For the people that think this is going to stop the powerleveling, the tells, or the low levels in PI,it's not. The basic fact remains; as long as there is Side Kicking, there will be powerleveling. Now if you want to make a case to remove that, there is also bad news; As long as teams with different levels can get xp, there will be power leveling
Now knowing this, who wants to talk about the steps needed to remove power leveling?
Overall, here's my report card for this move;
Issue 4? No
Skills system? No
CoV? No
Bases? No
Global Chat Live? No
One mission that could be used by power levelers changed? Yes
Big win!
[/ QUOTE ]
Technically ANYONE who has to group with another to kill x-mob is being power leveled. You lack the resource or skill to kill this mob and need help for XP! Herding is just a faster way of doing it.....
Great, now a mission with an AV is timed...
Oh, let's not forget you need to defeat shadowhunter to get your Dimensional Warder badge.
Oh, don't forget you need the Dimensional Warder badge to get the Portal Jockey Accolade.
Gee, thanks for making it so if my team screws up this mission I get screwed out of a great accolade.
Way to go, Devs! 
*Edit: BTW, this has stopped nothing. People will just herd Dreck's mission instead. Watch.
[ QUOTE ]
Great, now a mission with an AV is timed...
Oh, let's not forget you need to defeat shadowhunter to get your Dimensional Warder badge.
Oh, don't forget you need the Dimensional Warder badge to get the Portal Jockey Accolade.
Gee, thanks for making it so if my team screws up this mission I get screwed out of a great accolade.
Way to go, Devs!
[/ QUOTE ]
NOT THE DEVS.
I'm going to finish with my participation in this thread because my point is just not sinking in. I will reiterate them with some predictions:
Powerlevellers will be bad citizens and irresponsibly play the game "the way they want to" no matter if it is a good idea or not, seeking out the maximum reward for the minimum effort.
The DEVs will continue to change the game to thwart them as they have, over and over again *as the examples that I mentioned will demonstrate to an unbiased observer.*
People like the above poster, possibly completely innocent, will suffer.
That's it. I stand by the above prediction, as I stood by my forecast of the Wolf timer. You can debate theory all you want, but the results are going to be the same--80% of the servers' populations will suffer because 20% want to take the easy way out.
Mr. Lithuania
Jessica to Nathan in bed: "I'm not really bad, Isaac just drew me that way."
[ QUOTE ]
Great, now a mission with an AV is timed...
Oh, let's not forget you need to defeat shadowhunter to get your Dimensional Warder badge.
Oh, don't forget you need the Dimensional Warder badge to get the Portal Jockey Accolade.
Gee, thanks for making it so if my team screws up this mission I get screwed out of a great accolade.
Way to go, Devs!
*Edit: BTW, this has stopped nothing. People will just herd Dreck's mission instead. Watch.
[/ QUOTE ]
Very Erudite Tom.
I did not mean to say that all complaining was bad. In this specific case Wolf Herding, it would be unfair to a rival SG in COV if they could not do the same thing. PVP would be where the accelerated leveling could create a balance problem.
I guess what made me chime in at all, was the fiction that people doing this was ruining the PVE game. I mean, you cant edit a chat tab to turn off broadcast or ignore people? Or balance? In PVE? I dont really care if everybody levels in half the time I do. I just keep playing the game. But, the thought that somebody somewhere on the server has a leg up really does bother some people. It is like some weird Virtual P. Envy or something.
That is what is really silly. I might not be in the market for an Enhancement or the Spelunker mission, but is it really necessary to petition the designers because I dont know how to edit my chat tab?
Anyway, Im glad the OP got what he wanted. Feel sorry for the people that lost an aspect of the game they enjoyed playing. And dats dat.
PS. It's Ironic that the OP will now here more spam as many people will have to look for this mission to complete it.
I had the Shadowhunter mission the one where you have to pour holy water on the bones. I was not paying attention when I picked it and It was Timed. one hour mission.
I don't mind That the light is at the end of the tunnel. Just let me be able to see the light.
I want to apologize for the extent to which I got hot-headed in this thread. Those gentle readers who have perused my posts in the past know that I am normally pretty rational in my discourse. This is a subject about which I often feel that I am a voice crying in the wilderness.
I will try to be nicer in the future. After all, I *am* on Triumph.
Mr. Lithuania
Jessica to Nathan in bed: "I'm not really bad, Isaac just drew me that way."
[ QUOTE ]
Really? I guess this article is wrong... Multiple studies have shown that increased patrols do in fact show that an increased presence does decrease crime.
[/ QUOTE ]
Wow, a straw man.
How about NOT taking me out of context?
Crime has NOT stopped. More police on the force have NOT stopped all crime on the planet. Villainy continues. That's what I said.
I did NOT say that more police doesn't help combat crime.
Let me show you my quote, so there is no confusion.
"police cracking down on crime doesn't stop criminals from breaking the law"
That's correct. Criminals will still break the law. That doesn't mean more police don't help combat crime.
[ QUOTE ]
Nice analogy though, comparing power-leveling to a crime.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, pretty useful analogy. Thank you. Analogies are used to compare things that are similar. For example something frowned upon with a crime. Surely you don't think the time limit was introduced to combat something other than powerlevelling, right?
[ QUOTE ]
Again, I would like to point to my earlier posts. As long as those conditions are met, there will be power leveling. If you take away the most lucrative Powerleveling mission, that just means #2 takes over and now becomes the most lucrative, thats all.
[/ QUOTE ]
Correct. The problem we had was the wolf mission was easier than any other, for such purposes. Now it's not as easy to powerlevel. Doesn't mean it's not easy. Nobody here believes a time limit on one mission is a cureall.
[ QUOTE ]
Now the changes to the former #1 have consequences to people that are doing it legit.
[/ QUOTE ]
That's true, which is why I've suggested a longer time limit. I've recommended 3 hours.
[ QUOTE ]
So what have you done?
[/ QUOTE ]
I've recommended a 3 hour time limit to the Shadowhunter mission. I think someone said it was an hour. That's too short for any AV mission.
What have you done, other than take people out of context?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I feel as though I will now miss something that the game offered. I never PLed on Wolves and I feel that I missed out on some of the content that was in the game.
[/ QUOTE ]
The funny thing is that this is actually how I felt when Kora got nerfed. I really wanted to level my emp def on kora once I got to 40. I have leveled my various characters in different ways, and I was hoping to have one character who was a fruit farmer.
[/ QUOTE ]
Unless you were a herding tank or a player with phase shift, all you missed out on was hours of boredom. Do you really think the devs are trying to reduce fun? Quite the opposite.
Trust me, herding is boring for everyone except the tank. Kora was boring for everyone except the PSers.
-AZ
AnotherDeadHero, what happened to your post to me? Did you pull it or was it pulled by a moderator?
edit: and where did mine go? Weird. I can't find the post with my analogy anywhere. Hrm.
I posted here a couple times too. I'm not sure if I'm really typing this right now, in fact. Hello? ECHO! Am I here?
Anyway, they weren't particularly inflammatory - especially relative to other threads. I didn't want to be the first to mention the vanishing post issue, because I feared vanishing completely out of existence.
Higher patrols do stop some criminals from commiting crimes. Does it stop all crimes? Well you didnt say that in your post. You compared a harmless activity in a game to crime, yes crime! Ever lost a family member in a mugging gone wrong? Excuse me if I split a hair about it.
What have I done, well besides pointing out that the devs didnt do it to stop powerleveling, and that it hurt innocent people who just want to play the game, not much I suppose.
You recommend a 3 hour time limit, which yes is greater than 1 hour. Could I point out the threads on here that decry timelimits on missions? Any time limit on a mission can make that mission incompletable. So why have we made this mission that way? To make power leveling a little harder? I'll say it again. Big win!
You agree that it wont stop power leveling, so what is the point of the change?
edit: I see that some of my earlier posts are gone, so I will just put a little gist here. Statesman has stated that he wants to direct people to the content, not have them do the same thing over and over for xp. So to me the problem is not powerleveling, but the fact that AV missions are not as attractive to some people as the wolf mission. Changing the wolf mission will not make AV's more attrative in my opinion. Changing the AV missions could make them very attractive.
Either way, lets go to the root of the problem.
I've already addressed some of this in our private messages to each other (lesson for others, you CAN work things out in private) but I didn't say crime wouldn't be reduced, but that crime wouldn't be stopped. You didn't understand I was talking about crime in general and that is fine. I hope that's clear to you now.
Regarding comparing something that is considered to be bad, to something else that is considered to bad, such is the nature of analogies. That's a comparison based a moral standard of right vs wrong. You don't think powerlevelling is either bad, or a crime. I think a little powerlevelling isn't bad, but rampant powerlevelling is. I also don't think it's a "crime."
Yes I agree it won't stop powerlevelling. I am under no delusion that it is. I do agree that it will reduce it some. In the very least for a limited time.
Just as if you put more cops on the streets to reduce crime, not under the delusion that it'll end all crime.
And yes I agree with your other statement about this thread losing something with all the messages being purged. Seems like several really important posts (like em or not) are now devoured by cyberspace. 
I think they should lengthen the time limit to 3 hours. I hear it's one hour, which isn't enough time. Some AV's can take up to a half hour for a small team to duo or trio, or individual to solo.
But the time limit is a great way of FINALLY forcing people away from that mission to herd and powerlevel others. I've already noticed much less powerlevel spam in PI over this, and I can log my lvl 50 blaster on and not have to worry about a constant stream of tells asking me to be a boomer in a plvl group. Thanks for the timer, but make it long enough for a comfortable shot at the AV. The bones take a trivial amount of time to find, and the Wolves are still fairly easy to deal with quickly.