Endurance Costs for Toggle Powers
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Here's my calculator based off the numbers above. I'll continually update the page with newer numbers as people find them. If there's any problems you find, let me know. I've tested it in IE and Firefox. Your selections will automatically get saved to a browser cookie so you can come back to the page and they will be there.
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that is the coolest thing since sliced bread! AWESOME!!!
We still need numbers for Accelerate Metabolism. Also, wouldn't getting those accolades that add +5% to end affect the EPS numbers?
Using base end recovery, 1.67 EPS means going from empty to full (0-100) takes 59.88 seconds.
Now if you have an accolade that gives you +5%, going from 0-105 would still take 59.88 seconds according to how end recovery works. Wouldn't that make the base end recovery
105/59.88 = 1.75
? I think its important to know if this is true.
Or, perhaps end recovery is based off the base end pool. So the accolade wouldn't matter. Hmmmm
We also need numbers for Ice Tank primary.
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Does anyone have a number for recovery aura? If not, I can go try out
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I have tried getting this, but it is veryhard to get enough toggles to actually LOSE end using it. At this point in time, the end recovery of Recovery Aura is best described as "enough" - I can go crazy with my blasts and still recover.
I did a respec on test to check the efficiency of Recovery Aura (Empathy Defender).
I ran the following toggles (all unehanced): Sprint, Tactics, Assault, Maneuvers, Fly, Super Jump, Acrobatics, Super Speed, Whirlwind.
With Recovery Aura running, I ran out of endurance in 82 seconds, which indicates a recovery boost of 3.41 end/sec.
Because of the many factors involved and the short time, this is a rough estimate only. As I forgot to put recharge enhancements into RA, I only did it once. But an estimate is better than nothing.
It shows that Recovery Aura beats Stamina and Quick Recovery by a magnitude of 10 - no surprise there. With 6 SO recharge and Hasten, I get a downtime on RA of just under a minute.
PS: The Whirlwind animation looks crazy - never saw it before.
this is not a bump.
Very useful stuff for the character planning. My main is a Regen Scrapper, who also took fitness, this is a real blessing so that I can map out what powers I can run and avoid endurance issues.
Why? Because as regen, I have NO defense vs. damage, and I need to know this stuff! Thanks!
Happy gaming!
-SunderX
Happy gaming!
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-SunderX
Sset - 50 DM/Regen Scrapper - 8 years of out-tanking any tank but Granite, with 5x the DPS.
**Making Altaholism a socially acceptable disorder**
"Scrappers are just like chainsaws. Somewhat hard to handle, EXTREMELY dangerous, and by far the most fun when wielded by the slightly insane." -Alissara
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SCRAPPER PRIMARIES
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Spines
-0.73 Quills
SCRAPPER SECONDARIES
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Dark Armor
-0.39 Dark Embrace
-0.71 Death Shroud
????? Murky Cloud
????? Obsidian Shield
-0.39 Cloak of Darkness
????? Cloak of Fear
-0.12 Oppressive Gloom
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I did some testing, and sent the raw numbers to Vennom. Some of the results that I came up with:
Quills is less than what is shown, I'd estimate closer to 0.6
Murky Cloud, Dark Embrace, Obsidian Shield, and Cloak of Darkness are all exactly the same for END drain.
The estimates for Invisibility and Phase Shift check out.
Cloak of Fear is about the same as Death Shroud, around 0.005 less.
An interesting tidbit, Invisibility turns off not only Stealth, but also Cloak of Darkness. I don't remember if I tried Stealth and Cloak of Darkness together.
Great! I've updated the calculator.
I love your calculator. I added it to my favourite threads immediately.
I'd like to see additional recovery bonuses in the top part of the calculator. For instance, if you were to add Unstoppable or Accelerated Metabolism. That would make it even better.
Wrath smash good.
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I love your calculator. I added it to my favourite threads immediately.
I'd like to see additional recovery bonuses in the top part of the calculator. For instance, if you were to add Unstoppable or Accelerated Metabolism. That would make it even better.
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I would need fairly accurate numbers from someone that's willing to test those powers before I add them to the list. I dont want to add powers there with numbers based on speculation.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
I'm a 25 BS/Regen Scrapper, and you just showed me that I can slot my attacks before I need to slot Stamina and still run IH.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
Io_ars, let me start by saying that your Endurance Toggle Calculator seriously rocks. In fact, the whole idea of getting quantitative info on powers is great.
I was wondering if you could make a few changes to your calculator. First, could the "Endurance Regen Powers" be expanded to include things like RA, AM, Unstoppable, etc.? That way we could calculate how many extra toggles we can have on in certain circumstances.
Second, would it be possible to just have a flat list of powers with EPS next to them? Even something as simple as putting them on the dropdown would help. That way, you can tell at a glance which powers are the big end hogs.
Lastly, a minor request on display. My windows background is set to black... so I can't see any of the dropdown entries. Could you either use the windows colors / force the setting of foreground / background colors in your dropdown?
This is an awesome tool... one that I hope everyone uses. Kudos!
Thanks for the compliments. The real compliments should go to Vennom who started this thread as well as to the people who have taken their time to measure all the toggle costs.
As for AM and Unstoppable, there are no reliable numbers provided for me to put them into the calculator. I realize these powers make a difference as I have AM up most of the time myself, but I'd prefer not to put in numbers based purely off speculator or from unreliable sources. In the meantime, I've added another power called "Custom Regen" where you can enter your own EPS.
There are "show all" links that will now display all the powers in that section.
select box background is fixed. Thanks for pointing that out.
Got some new numbers for ya, all were done with NO stamina on test server. All tests were Invisibility (-1.51) + Maneuvers (-.45) + sprint (-.35) + <power in question>. Double check my math if you want, its late.
Tough: 113 seconds, -.245 ep
Weave: 110 seconds, -.27 eps
Plasma Shield: 97 seconds, -.391 eps
Fire Shield: 75 seconds, -.693 eps
Blazing Aura: 68 seconds, -.83 eps
All of these seem ok except Fire Shield - wow that is a high end cost for a shield, with most of them averaging around .38. I'll try and double check this tomorrow.
Guides: Dark Armor and IOs | SS/DA | Crabbing | Fortunata
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Got some new numbers for ya, all were done with NO stamina on test server. All tests were Invisibility (-1.51) + Maneuvers (-.45) + sprint (-.35) + <power in question>. Double check my math if you want, its late.
Tough: 113 seconds, -.245 ep
Weave: 110 seconds, -.27 eps
Plasma Shield: 97 seconds, -.391 eps
Fire Shield: 75 seconds, -.693 eps
Blazing Aura: 68 seconds, -.83 eps
All of these seem ok except Fire Shield - wow that is a high end cost for a shield, with most of them averaging around .38. I'll try and double check this tomorrow.
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Ok, Double checked, my Fire Shield #'s were wrong. I did a few more tests and got #'s between 93s-97s, yielding a # about the same as plasma shield - btw. -.39 & -.43 eps.
Of course, some numbers somewhere in the equation are wrong, because Sprint + Fire + Plasma + Blazing went full->0 in 545s, yielding a -.183 eps.
However, the numbers I've found (1.67-.35 -.39 -.39 -.83) yield a -.29 eps - so something is still fishy. But at least we have nice approximations
Guides: Dark Armor and IOs | SS/DA | Crabbing | Fortunata
Great! Thanks for the numbers. I've added powers that were missing and updated unconfirmed powers. As for powers that have already been listed but you also provided, I've gone and taken an average.
Yeah there were stars on some of them, which seemed to indicated doubt, so I retested those for you
Guides: Dark Armor and IOs | SS/DA | Crabbing | Fortunata
This poster says your numbers for stamina recovery is incorrect.
Nicer version of url
Spines/ D A lvl 50 Scrap, stone/wm lvl 50 tank, Kat/reg lvl 50 Scrap
Grav/Kin lvl 50 Cont, Fire/Enegry lvl 50 Blast
Warshade lvl 50, PB lvl 39, nightwidow lvl 50, crab lvl 42
plant/thorns lvl 50 dom, ice/fire lvl 40 dom, grav/nrg lvl 41 dom
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This poster says your numbers for stamina recovery is incorrect.
Nicer version of url
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I'm not seeing the disagreement part, that Stamina effect table includes the base end recovery in its numbers. Subtracting that out gives a recovery number of 0.42 END/s for unslotted and 1.25 for 6SO slotted.
And when you make links to other places in the forum, don't list out the whole URL in the link, it makes the column expand to the point where the horizontal scroll bar appears and screws up the wrapping on everyone else's posts.
Edit: On reading the entirety of the linked thread, I'm guessing that you were referring to the MrBurke post, which does indeed question the 0.42 END/s number. I might be inspired enough to test it out tonight.
Yes I was refering to the post made by mrburke, since he was the one claiming that the numbers in the links I posted (in the not so nice url versions) were not correct.
As to the nicer version of the url if I knew how to do that I would. Care to show me how, instead of just telling me not to do it the only way I know how?
Spines/ D A lvl 50 Scrap, stone/wm lvl 50 tank, Kat/reg lvl 50 Scrap
Grav/Kin lvl 50 Cont, Fire/Enegry lvl 50 Blast
Warshade lvl 50, PB lvl 39, nightwidow lvl 50, crab lvl 42
plant/thorns lvl 50 dom, ice/fire lvl 40 dom, grav/nrg lvl 41 dom
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As to the nicer version of the url if I knew how to do that I would. Care to show me how, instead of just telling me not to do it the only way I know how?
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Sure, if you are using the Instant UBB code to do your URL's then it goes like this:
<ul type="square">[*]Get the URL you want to use on your clipboard[*]Start a reply/quote to a thread[*]Hit the URL link[*]In the first dialog, paste your URL, then hit OK[*]In the second dialog type in a description for the link[/list]
Alternatively, do whatever you did previously, then when you are previewing your post, remove everything between the url tags and replace it with the link text. For an example of doing this, try hitting the Quote link on both your original post with the not-so-nice URL and mine with the nicer URL and compare the two links.
Also, you can probably still go back to the not-so-nice URL and edit it to remove the excessively long string between the url tags, which will then leave future readers wondering what I was talking about.
So, instead of this:
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http://something.com/lots'o'stuff
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Use this:
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Nice link text
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This poster says your numbers for stamina recovery is incorrect.
See post by Mr Burke
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Spines/ D A lvl 50 Scrap, stone/wm lvl 50 tank, Kat/reg lvl 50 Scrap
Grav/Kin lvl 50 Cont, Fire/Enegry lvl 50 Blast
Warshade lvl 50, PB lvl 39, nightwidow lvl 50, crab lvl 42
plant/thorns lvl 50 dom, ice/fire lvl 40 dom, grav/nrg lvl 41 dom
Cool thanks
Spines/ D A lvl 50 Scrap, stone/wm lvl 50 tank, Kat/reg lvl 50 Scrap
Grav/Kin lvl 50 Cont, Fire/Enegry lvl 50 Blast
Warshade lvl 50, PB lvl 39, nightwidow lvl 50, crab lvl 42
plant/thorns lvl 50 dom, ice/fire lvl 40 dom, grav/nrg lvl 41 dom
Here's my calculator based off the numbers above. I'll continually update the page with newer numbers as people find them. If there's any problems you find, let me know. I've tested it in IE and Firefox. Your selections will automatically get saved to a browser cookie so you can come back to the page and they will be there.
Toggle Endurance Cost Calculator