bigboy_EU

Never thought I'd see the day where almost an entire thread recommends ice armour...almost brings a tear to my eye. At last our time has come...nerfs will be incoming thanks to all the FOTMer's though.

Some funny randoms there...one match I'm allied with one person and against another and in the second they switch. Fighting against or teaming with an Ice/Ice blaster though will be fun. Cause they are great except against ice tanks with maxed out res and some def . Also you can't argue with having any controller on your team.

Shame though we are going to do this before the free respec. Hopefully by gimped out build will get me through with enough lives to that date.

Ok Mark 3...

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Name: Bigboy3387
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(5) DefBuf(5) EndRdx(13)
01) --> Barrage==> DisDur(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(3) Heal(13) Heal(15) Heal(25)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Slow(4) EndRdx(7) EndRdx(7) Slow(9) Taunt(9)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8) Jump(25) Jump(43)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Dmg(10) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Acc(17) Acc(37) DisDur(40)
12) --> Icicles==> Dmg(12) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Acc(21) EndRdx(21) EndRdx(29)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16) Jump(29) Jump(42)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) EndRdx(31)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Taunt==> Taunt(24) Rechg(34)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> EndMod(26) EndMod(27) EndMod(27) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) DefBuf(33)
28) --> Build Up==> TH_Buf(28) Rechg(34)
30) --> Hasten==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) Heal(34) Rechg(37) EndMod(42) Rechg(45) Heal(45)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Acc(36) Acc(37) EndRdx(40)
38) --> Total Focus==> Dmg(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(39) Acc(40) DisDur(43)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(41) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(43) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(46)
44) --> Aid Other==> Heal(44) Heal(45) Heal(48)
47) --> Aid Self==> Heal(47) Heal(48) Heal(48) Rechg(50) Rechg(50) IntRdx(50)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Had to take energy to fit aid self in and had to shuffle when I took slots around.

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U won't be using barrage at all in PvP, better use those slots in another more useful power (i even took off barrage from my power list).
U deffo need hasten, and 3 rechrdx in hibernate. If u got spare slots, add 2 heal and 1 end mod, that way u will be fit and ready before taunt and slow debuffs wear off (if u plan on arena team pvp, that is).
Dunno why u ask us not to suggest focus accuracy. Ok, i wont suggest it, but it will be ur loss for sure.
Stun and icicles I would drop them. Icicles seems not the best AS interrupter at all. Anyway if for any reason u want to stay with it, dont slot dmg, its just wasting slots

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Arr good to see you only read the start and end of threads...It helps if you read the middle as well.

Also although it's a PvP build I still want to be able to tank in PvE, hence why I want only pyre mastery. Also I hear that icicles does more damage than you think. Think I might move the two slots in barrage to hibernate though.

Although on second thoughts I really really want aid self so fire might have to go

From that list I'd say Combat jumping if your getting SJ anyway and weave if you REALLY want it...(I don't see the point but its up to you) but as suggested get aid self.

I'm clearly too late but just in case of mass dropouts and/or tourney expansion...

Character name: Bigboy3387
Global Handle: @Bigboy3387
Archetype: Tanker
Powersets: Ice/Energy

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Im not sure about ice i heard from alot of people that they are very ...well kinda.....[censored] lol

or so i heard wasnt 2 sure about ice thanks for ur advice tho

Thanks Untouch
@SuperHotStuff

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[Virtual hit], ice tanks are the best "tanks" (aggro keepers) by a long way they just pay for it by being a little more fragile (not by much).

I'd say Ice/SS personally but that's just me.

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totally agree, and after all, its only one power, wouldn't hurt to have it in there even if you don't want it all the time.

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That's the real rub for me. An auto hit power, rapid recharge, and zero end cost. How many great powers come with that?

And its one power - only one. I'm sure most builds can fit that in by the mid 20s.

Its gonna spell the end of fire blasters this tauntless trend! If you see one, take a screen shot, cos they are endangered!

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With my fire blaster I don't feel I can let rip with full power unless there is a tank with skill. Taunt, aura, whatever it's irrelevant. Lack of skill makes someone not a tank, NOT their power choices. I can tank a TF with with my aura or with just taunt and will have very few defeats. I could even do it with gauntlet alone if I'm allowed fire mastery.

My point is this...anyone who says taunt is needed (unless they are a granite tank) doesn't have a clue about tanking, I'm sorry but they don't. It is USEFUL but not needed.

Saying that I would always get taunt but my problem comes in that lots of people say get it asap or your "not a tank" I would rather wait till around mid 20's at least.

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Giant Monsters (etc) with footstomp (esque) pbaoes are easily overcome by perching up somewhere or hover/flying while taunting, as previously mentioned. I have done it several times while doing Eden Trial runs (for the Granite monsters and Crystal Titan), a trial I very much enjoy. I'd love to see how a tauntless tank can protect his team mates who are gathered around the feet of a monster in such an effective way.

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Recently did the Eden Trial with the following team:

1 x Kinetics Defender (lvl 39)
1 x Nrg/Nrg Blaster (lvl 39)
1 x Illusion Controller (lvl 42 I *think*)
1 x Empath (lvl 43)
1 x Storm Defender (lvl 46)
1 x DM/SR Scrapper (lvl 50)
1 x Tauntless Tank (lvl 45)
1 x Dark Defender (lvl 50)

Had a grand total of 2 deaths throughout the entire trial

1 of them was when the Scrapper decided to show his costume off to a big group of DE outside (and the tank was no where near) in Eden doing the kill 200 mission, the other was when the Kinetics defender decicided to go for a super douper fulcrum shift about 2 seconds before the tank had fully managed the aggro from a big group of those crystal DE thingies...

Never even came close to death while taking down both of the big rock GMs or the crystal titan.

So, um, actually... tauntless tanking in the Eden trial can work fine

(as a comparison we ran the same Trial the week before with a taunting tank and we actually had more deaths...)

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With that much healing power on a team no wonder you only had 2 deaths. Care to post the team makeup of the team with the taunting tanker? I'm guessing a load less green numbers flying around...

I would go so far as to suggest a tank in that team wouldn't have made much difference anyway. The illusionists decoys quite probably took most of the attacks, and dropping Fortitude and AB on a the regen could have functioned just as well. I'm also curious if the ill controller was /rad. Chances are good that it was, which would have floored the GMs attacks anyway (dmg, acc, recharge), or /kin, which is more green and -(acc, rech, dmg, resist) anyway.

I'm not saying taunt makes the tank (where you seem to be saying it makes the team). I'm saying the same tank who has dropped a small attack for picking up taunt would function better in his role (that being to keep aggro off those needing to have the aggro kept off them), in the same team.

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That's all well and good if you can get teams every single time you log on. I don't know about you but I want to have some soloing potential, 2 attacks makes a huge difference to 1. I would still take taunt just not until around 24ish. Where in this build would I take taunt?

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Level: 22
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> Empty(1)
01) --> Barrage==> Empty(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Empty(2)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Empty(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> Empty(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Empty(8)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Empty(10)
12) --> Hurdle==> Empty(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Empty(14)
16) --> Health==> Empty(16)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> Empty(18)
20) --> Stamina==> Empty(20)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Are you saying I should go 20 levels with barrage? Have you seen how bad that attack is? Even if I miss out health and get taunt at 18 that's only 6 levels before I would rather take it anyway.

I recently did the entire Numina TF without taunt because when I repseced I made the mistake of taking taunt at level 44. I went through the entire taskforce until the last mission without any team plants. In the last mission I fell down a hole in them nightmare 5 level blue caves and got stuck, the team proceeded to wipe (therefore sorta proving I was needed) from that mob. Taunt would not have made a difference because I did not have line of sight on the mob and it was my own mistake I feel. Even though I felt like I had failed my job of tanking (normally being a good tank that can go without plants for entire TF's) I noticed that taunt wasn't needed but handy to have.

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(08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8) Jump(42) Jump(43)
12) --> Hurdle==> Jump(12) Jump(42) Jump(42)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)

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You really really want to be able to jump tall buildings in a single bound don't you?

Personally, I quite like your build, but I play scrappers, so don't take me seriously at all! (until it's the scrapper survives the team wipe........ again!!)

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I think the reason for the slots there is emphasis on unsuppressed movement (combat jumping). Thus only basic slot in SJ. Personally I say the slots in hurdle arent really needed.

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You maybe right about hurdle but would you feel happier with slots in BU instead then, as this is the only place I really got space? I was thinking 2 x Recharge and 2 x ToHit.

http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/sh...fpart=1#472641

Get some ideas from there. I wanted a fair amount of options for PvE also but it turned out my PvP build is a mega aggro magnet anyway.

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Sort of a long story...I live in Dundee where Radio One is holding it's "Big Weekend" music festival. The only way left to get myself tickets short of scalping them is to enter their competition to win them. The competition is to make a video of yourself miming to one of the artists playing at the festival. Full details are here

My idea is to try to make the video inside City of Heroes. This is where you can help me I want to try to populate Pocket D with Heroes/Villains themed on the band Muse.

If you can spare me the time, effort and spare slot then make a Muse themed toon and turn up at Pocket D this Saturday 6th May between 10 am - 12 Noon.

I put a list of suggested toon names on my SGs forum here

If I win I promise to where a T-Shirt stating Unions greatness throughout the whole event...

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Muse are good but not "the best rock band" ever by a long shot

What's your song btw? Hysteria? Plug in Baby? Stockholm Syndrome?

Look at it this way you can either get stamina or slot at least 2 Endred in powers...I personally would rather slot recharges and plant stuff faster but thats just me...

I got to level 34 without stamina, then I respeced it in and wondered how I managed without it.

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Icicles are there for antstalker defence mostly and to test if fleas comment about them begin highly damaging is correct.

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No reason not to get Icicles but Chilling Embrace is enough to prevent any AS as its autohit.

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Yeah I didn't know that until a couple of days after the first post.

Well if there are no more comments I'm going with that build.

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I see a lot of tankers that, instead of jumping in the middle of those pesky bad guys, do some kind of a weird and ugly ''tank pull'' They stay in range of the mob and then use provoke tu pull them. I , as a fire blaster, find it repulsive, nice packed crow of bad guys just turned into ar bunch of individuals that take much longer to arrest.

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If the tanker is using a standard tactic called corner pulling (where the group is bunched up at a corner) this is fine and will allow you even better damage. Otherwise no idea what they are doing.

ok took some of your advice...build version 2

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Name: Bigboy3387
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(5) DefBuf(5) EndRdx(13)
01) --> Barrage==> DisDur(1) DisDur(7) Acc(15) Acc(37)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(3) Heal(13) Heal(15) Heal(25)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Slow(4) EndRdx(7) Slow(9) Taunt(9) EndRdx(43)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8) Jump(42) Jump(43)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Dmg(10) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Acc(17) Acc(37) DisDur(40)
12) --> Hurdle==> Jump(12) Jump(42) Jump(42)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16) Heal(17) Heal(19)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(21) EndRdx(31)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(23)
22) --> Icicles==> Dmg(22) Dmg(23) Dmg(25) Acc(29) EndRdx(29) EndRdx(34)
24) --> Taunt==> Taunt(24) Rechg(34)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> EndMod(26) EndMod(27) EndMod(27) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) DefBuf(33)
28) --> Build Up==> TH_Buf(28) Rechg(34)
30) --> Hasten==> Rechg(30) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Acc(36) Acc(37) EndRdx(40)
38) --> Total Focus==> Dmg(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(39) Acc(40) DisDur(43)
41) --> Char==> Acc(41) Hold(45) Hold(45) Rechg(45)
44) --> Fire Blast==> Dmg(44) Dmg(46) Dmg(46) Acc(46)
47) --> Fire Ball==> Dmg(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Acc(48) Acc(50) EndRdx(50)
49) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(49) Acc(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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I don't see the problem with getting both powers, I'm not sure what I would take instead at 35 or 38...You've waited long enough with crappy attacks break them both out.

As for AS it's 2.8 BI, TF is as good as 10...no contest.

I was going to comment but there would be so much commenting (what are you slotting in taunt to need 6 slots btw?). My build would go something like this (enhancements not in order)

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(5)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Dmg(1) Dmg(11) Dmg(13) Acc(13) EndRdx(15)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(5) Heal(7) EndRdx(7) EndRdx(9) EndRdx(9)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(4) Taunt(11)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Ice Sword==> Dmg(8) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Acc(17) EndRdx(19)
10) --> Hurdle==> Jump(10) Jump(19) Jump(21)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Dmg(12) Jump(21) Jump(23)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16) Heal(40) Heal(40)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(23) DefBuf(25) EndRdx(25)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(27) EndMod(27)
22) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(22) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
24) --> Icicles==> Dmg(24) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Acc(31) Acc(33) EndRdx(33)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> EndMod(26) EndMod(33) EndMod(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)
28) --> Taunt==> Taunt(28)
30) --> Freezing Touch==> Hold(30) Hold(36) Acc(40) Acc(42) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) Rechg(50)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Acc(37) Acc(37) EndRdx(39)
38) --> Build Up==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39)
41) --> Block of Ice==> Hold(43) Acc(43) Acc(43) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
44) --> Frost==> Empty(44) Dmg(45) Dmg(46) Acc(46) Rechg(46) EndRdx(48)
47) --> Aid Other==> Heal(47) Heal(48) Rechg(48)
49) --> Aid Self==> Heal(49) Heal(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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note I was left with alot of spare slots so thats why some may appear overkill.

Mu suggestion for tanks would be to stop thinking that your job is to take damage...You can't take all the damage solo in large teams. The new (I would say always was) primary goal is keeping aggro while your defenders/controllers keep you alive. That was one of the main points of nerfing tanks, you now need backup. In the same way that a good fire blaster needs a good tank to let rip with full AoE, a good tank needs good backup to do their job.

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Loose the slots in barrage. Slotting brawl has more use since brawl can knock toggles.
Barrage is too low damage to bother with.

Use the slots in hurdle/cj instead.

Chilling embrace cant taunt in PvP, so dont bother with taunt duration.

Stun has little use. Drop it.

Get body mastery instead of fire.

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Taunt in CE is for PvE and I'm not taking energy mastery like I said but thanks for the other info.

I've never created a build mostly for PvP before so I need some help with this..

Notes-

Fire mastery is so I can do decent damage in teams, please don't suggest focus accuracy
Stun I'm not sure about, it just sounds like a good idea for fighting squishes.
Slotting I'm defo not sure about.
Icicles are there for antstalker defence mostly and to test if fleas comment about them begin highly damaging is correct.

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Name: Bigboy3387
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(5) DefBuf(5) EndRdx(13)Empty(17)
01) --> Barrage==> Dmg(1) Dmg(7) Dmg(7) Acc(15) Acc(37)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(3) Heal(13) Heal(15) Heal(25)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Slow(4) Slow(9) Taunt(9) EndRdx(25) EndRdx(43)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Dmg(10) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Acc(17) Acc(37) EndRdx(40)
12) --> Hurdle==> Jump(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) EndRdx(31)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Icicles==> Dmg(22) Dmg(23) Dmg(23) Acc(29) Acc(29) EndRdx(34)
24) --> Taunt==> Taunt(24) Rechg(34)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> EndMod(26) EndMod(27) EndMod(27) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) DefBuf(33)
28) --> Build Up==> TH_Buf(28) Rechg(34)
30) --> Stun==> Acc(30) Acc(31) DisDur(31)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32)
35) --> Energy Transfer==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Acc(36) Acc(37) Rechg(40)
38) --> Total Focus==> Dmg(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Acc(39) Acc(40) Rechg(43)
41) --> Char==> Hold(41) Hold(42) Acc(42) Acc(42) Hold(43) Rechg(46)
44) --> Fire Blast==> Dmg(44) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Acc(45) Acc(46) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Fire Ball==> Dmg(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Acc(48) Acc(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(49) Acc(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Thanks in advance

Edited to get rid of annoying yellow text

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Sure you can tank at Lv6, but you sure as hell can't do it without supporting buffs and debuffs. Personally, I really don't like having to rely on the rest of my team to keep me alive, especially in PuGs and *especially* at lower levels.

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After thinking about this it worries me because I can technically tank with a fire/dev blaster, if you have a good buffer/debuffer then I could just throw down caltrops, throw a fireball and then hide behind something. When they all rush on the caltrops they will bunch up, surely this is anyone's description of herding? I throw in fire breath and more balls and the groups dead...

I was going to write a guide for tanking but while doing research I found this...

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...part=1#2925504

OK it might be a little out of date but it more or less sums up everything I was going to say. Though I may still write a mini guide on tactics since new tanks don't seam to know how to do simple things like corner pull.

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Hmm your build seems really really toggle heavy and there are a few unecessary toggles like tough and icicles, personally i feelt these powers for what they do are a waste of endurance. You missed perma frost which gives res to slow which is really handy.

I thought i'd post my idea of a PvP/PvE build. I'd like to hear your opinion of it.

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(48)
01) --> Scorch==> Acc(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(11) Heal(11) Rechg(15) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
04) --> Fire Sword==> Acc(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Dmg(9)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6) EndRdx(17) EndRdx(48)
08) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(34) Slow(43)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16) Jump(46) Jump(46)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(22) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(39)
24) --> Breath of Fire==> Acc(24) Acc(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) EndRdx(50)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> DefBuf(26) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Build Up==> Rechg(28) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
30) --> Taunt==> Rechg(30) Rechg(34)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(34)
35) --> Incinerate==> Acc(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) EndRdx(37)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) Dmg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(41) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(42) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
47) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(47)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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It's more single target harder hitting build which is from PvP. Basically i was going to include medicine but theres no point in having that if you have hibernate which is a great power in PvP imo. For PvE in my experience of teaming with ice tanks they can hold aggro perfectly with CE, taunt is there for PvP which is really annoying to have in PvP. I also included focussed accuracy as i think that power is fantastic its one of the most powerful self buff powers. and you can even slow 1accuracy 3damage 1recharge1endurance redux with it and hit fine. I slotted shields for 3endurance redux just to completely hack down endurance costs those slots can easily be transferable. Also included CJ and hurdle with ss that travel power is great. You could even get rid of conserve power and have SJ, as i doubt with this build you'll have endurance problems.

What do you think?

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I'm so sorry but once I heard you say permafrost was a good power I just couldn't focus...

I suppose I should have something useful to say so, heres a build I knocked up in 5 minutes...

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.5.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> Empty(1)
01) --> Scorch==> Empty(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Empty(2)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Empty(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> Empty(6)
08) --> Fire Sword==> Empty(8)
10) --> Combustion==> Empty(10)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Empty(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Empty(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Empty(16)
18) --> Health==> Empty(18)
20) --> Stamina==> Empty(20)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> Empty(22)
24) --> Build Up==> Empty(24)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Empty(26)
28) --> Fire Sword Circle==> Empty(28)
30) --> Taunt==> Empty(30)
32) --> Hibernate==> Empty(32)
35) --> Incinerate==> Empty(35)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> Empty(38)
41) --> Char==> Empty(41)
44) --> Fire Blast==> Empty(44)
47) --> Fire Ball==> Empty(47)
49) --> Hasten==> Empty(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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The reason people say you can't keep aggro is that they are inexperienced/bad tankers or play in bad teams. I witnessed today Phil keeping 99% of aggro for an entire TF without taunt below level 20 (synapse TF). If he can do it at that level then so can anyone else. I have known for ages that at high levels you can easy keep aggro (because of my 50) but I have little real experience of tanking below 20, now I have seen that aggro can be held at all levels, just using simple tactics (such as corner pulling) and cooperation.