Spadspec


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In preparation for the I7 freespec, I'm using my existing freespec on Spad. Here's what I'm aiming for (PvE only, btw).

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Name: Spad
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> EndRdx(1) EndRdx(3) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(27) DefBuf(29)
01) --> Scorch==> EndRdx(1) Acc(5) Rechg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(23) Dmg(25)
02) --> Fire Sword==> EndRdx(2) Acc(7) Rechg(9) Dmg(11) Dmg(13) Dmg(15)
04) --> Hoarfrost==> Rechg(4) Rechg(9) Rechg(11) Heal(15) Heal(17) Heal(17)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6) EndRdx(50)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(50)
10) --> Combustion==> EndRdx(10) Acc(13) Rechg(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(21) Dmg(23)
12) --> Taunt==> Rechg(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18) Heal(21) Heal(34)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(25) EndMod(27)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> EndRdx(22) EndRdx(29) DefBuf(31) DefBuf(31) DefBuf(31)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24) Rechg(33) Rechg(34)
26) --> Icicles==> EndRdx(26) Acc(39) Acc(46) Dmg(46) Dmg(48) Dmg(48)
28) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(28) EndRdx(40) Slow(43) Slow(46)
30) --> Energy Absorbtion==> DefBuf(30) DefBuf(33) DefBuf(34) Rechg(36) Rechg(36) Rechg(36)
32) --> Fire Sword Circle==> EndRdx(32) Acc(33) Rechg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(39)
35) --> Boxing==> Acc(35)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> EndRdx(38) Acc(39) Rechg(40) Dmg(40) Dmg(42) Dmg(45)
41) --> Tough==> EndRdx(41) EndRdx(42) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(43) DmgRes(43)
44) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(44) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
47) --> Build Up==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(50)
49) --> Super Speed==> Run(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
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Propably drop the 2nd end reducer in CJ seeing how absolutely little it helps, add that as speed to either SS or SJ?
(Or in taunt, extra range/duration never hurts)


 

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Well i am shell shocked with it, i know its a "respec" build but I cant help but still think omg you tank so late in levels!

I'm amazed how endurance worried the build is, i am also amazed how through the power choices and the lack of diversity in the slotting their seems to be a greater lack of faith in the ice primary than perhaps naive, easily led I have so far.

I personally would of skipped combat jump and superjump and gone for haste and superspeed immediately so i have 2 more powers to tank with but thats just me.

From your spines/regen build i know you have a head for builds, but this build has surprised me. Until i have my ice/ice and fire/fire upto praetorian AV lvl maybe then i can understand most of the reasons for the slotting but then you may push yourself through missions at a faster rate than i do.

The taunt's lack of slotting would not suit me at all period and chilling embrace would be 3 slows.

All my tanks are having to be played slightly differently and you could well do things differently to all of mine. Until i get my others up in 45-50 range i cant pretend to know better. I am amazed though, but ice is the primary set i am most least familiar with and ice/fire is even more unfamiliar to me. I ask you with chilling embrace and /fire would the end hog icicles be sorely missed?

It could be a good build but these are just my thoughts.


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You like Fire swords don't you Spad. Personally I prefer Incinerate and I've heard you sing it's praises so I'm a little confused.

I wouldn't slot Combat Jumping with end reds, it's more than a bit pointless, especially as you could get another 1 defence by slotting defence, which at the levels of defence you're at will probably make a difference. You are better off slotting 1 extra end red in tough than 2 in combat jumping anyway.

It does seem a bit endurance paranoid. I assume that is because with Icicles you are at half base end recovery. I would put 3 end reds in it and maybe cut the acc to 1 and the damage down to 2. With 2 damage it will still out damage any of your secondary powers with it on DPS and DPE. Another option is to slot the 2 AoEs with 2 end reducers rather than 1 end and one red, you have hasten after all.


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It does seem a bit endurance paranoid. I assume that is because with Icicles you are at half base end recovery. I would put 3 end reds in it and maybe cut the acc to 1 and the damage down to 2. With 2 damage it will still out damage any of your secondary powers with it on DPS and DPE. Another option is to slot the 2 AoEs with 2 end reducers rather than 1 end and one red, you have hasten after all.

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I'd personally just get rid of icicles completely...After Spad's comments (and I quote..) 'Really not the best choice of power for an already end-heavy powerset.' I wonder if Spad has a brother who's using his account?


 

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This is how unaware at this point I am with icetankers despite playing one, the slows in chilling embrace do they or dont they increase the -recharge of foes or is it just the duration? Either way I'd still prolly go 3 slows so my debuffs linger longer to keep aggro.


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It does seem a bit endurance paranoid. I assume that is because with Icicles you are at half base end recovery. I would put 3 end reds in it and maybe cut the acc to 1 and the damage down to 2. With 2 damage it will still out damage any of your secondary powers with it on DPS and DPE. Another option is to slot the 2 AoEs with 2 end reducers rather than 1 end and one red, you have hasten after all.

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I'd personally just get rid of icicles completely...After Spad's comments (and I quote..) 'Really not the best choice of power for an already end-heavy powerset.' I wonder if Spad has a brother who's using his account?

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I'm guessing that by 'in preparation for the I7 freespec' he means he's planning on using it following this one

(well, not really, but he did ask for abuse )


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To answer the questions (and abuse):

This is a respec for an already Lv50 who rarely exemps, so I'm not worried about not being able to tank as well at lower levels (Although this is similar to the build I first levelled to 50 with).

I'm endurance paranoid because right now when soloing I get through all of my endurance in 3 or 4 groups unless I stop and rest. Ice toggles are expensive, not to mention Tough and the Hasten Crash.

I swapped Incinerate for Icicles because its DoT was annoying me - it takes 10 ticks to do the same damage as GFS does in 1-3. I may well ditch Iciclces again with my I7 freespec depending on how much I hate them by them.

Slows in chilling embrace *only* reduce movement speed, not recharge. -Recharge cannot be enhanced.

And I'll be taking out the spare slots from Combat Jumping etc, but I had spare slots that I had to put somewhere.

Finally, for the record, every primary is taken at the first opportunity, except for Chilling Embrace, which is a hark back to before it offered anything more than a -recharge & taunt aura, and Icicles, which is a new addition.


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Slows in chilling embrace *only* reduce movement speed, not recharge. -Recharge cannot be enhanced.

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thankyou.


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*deleted* will post something more useful once i look at hero stats.


 

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Hmm your build seems really really toggle heavy and there are a few unecessary toggles like tough and icicles, personally i feelt these powers for what they do are a waste of endurance. You missed perma frost which gives res to slow which is really handy.

I thought i'd post my idea of a PvP/PvE build. I'd like to hear your opinion of it.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(48)
01) --> Scorch==> Acc(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(11) Heal(11) Rechg(15) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
04) --> Fire Sword==> Acc(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Dmg(9)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6) EndRdx(17) EndRdx(48)
08) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(34) Slow(43)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16) Jump(46) Jump(46)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(22) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(39)
24) --> Breath of Fire==> Acc(24) Acc(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) EndRdx(50)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> DefBuf(26) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Build Up==> Rechg(28) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
30) --> Taunt==> Rechg(30) Rechg(34)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(34)
35) --> Incinerate==> Acc(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) EndRdx(37)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) Dmg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(41) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(42) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
47) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(47)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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It's more single target harder hitting build which is from PvP. Basically i was going to include medicine but theres no point in having that if you have hibernate which is a great power in PvP imo. For PvE in my experience of teaming with ice tanks they can hold aggro perfectly with CE, taunt is there for PvP which is really annoying to have in PvP. I also included focussed accuracy as i think that power is fantastic its one of the most powerful self buff powers. and you can even slow 1accuracy 3damage 1recharge1endurance redux with it and hit fine. I slotted shields for 3endurance redux just to completely hack down endurance costs those slots can easily be transferable. Also included CJ and hurdle with ss that travel power is great. You could even get rid of conserve power and have SJ, as i doubt with this build you'll have endurance problems.

What do you think?


 

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Hmm your build seems really really toggle heavy and there are a few unecessary toggles like tough and icicles, personally i feelt these powers for what they do are a waste of endurance. You missed perma frost which gives res to slow which is really handy.

I thought i'd post my idea of a PvP/PvE build. I'd like to hear your opinion of it.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(1) DefBuf(3) DefBuf(3) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(5) EndRdx(48)
01) --> Scorch==> Acc(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Heal(2) Heal(11) Heal(11) Rechg(15) Rechg(15) Rechg(17)
04) --> Fire Sword==> Acc(4) Acc(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Dmg(9)
06) --> Wet Ice==> EndRdx(6) EndRdx(17) EndRdx(48)
08) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(34) Slow(43)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16) Jump(46) Jump(46)
18) --> Glacial Armor==> DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(23) EndRdx(48)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Permafrost==> DmgRes(22) DmgRes(37) DmgRes(39)
24) --> Breath of Fire==> Acc(24) Acc(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) EndRdx(50)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> DefBuf(26) DefBuf(29) DefBuf(29) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Build Up==> Rechg(28) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
30) --> Taunt==> Rechg(30) Rechg(34)
32) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(34)
35) --> Incinerate==> Acc(35) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) EndRdx(37)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) Dmg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(41) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(42) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44) Acc(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(46)
47) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(47)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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It's more single target harder hitting build which is from PvP. Basically i was going to include medicine but theres no point in having that if you have hibernate which is a great power in PvP imo. For PvE in my experience of teaming with ice tanks they can hold aggro perfectly with CE, taunt is there for PvP which is really annoying to have in PvP. I also included focussed accuracy as i think that power is fantastic its one of the most powerful self buff powers. and you can even slow 1accuracy 3damage 1recharge1endurance redux with it and hit fine. I slotted shields for 3endurance redux just to completely hack down endurance costs those slots can easily be transferable. Also included CJ and hurdle with ss that travel power is great. You could even get rid of conserve power and have SJ, as i doubt with this build you'll have endurance problems.

What do you think?

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I'm so sorry but once I heard you say permafrost was a good power I just couldn't focus...

I suppose I should have something useful to say so, heres a build I knocked up in 5 minutes...

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Ice Armor
Secondary: Fiery Melee
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01) --> Frozen Armor==> Empty(1)
01) --> Scorch==> Empty(1)
02) --> Hoarfrost==> Empty(2)
04) --> Chilling Embrace==> Empty(4)
06) --> Wet Ice==> Empty(6)
08) --> Fire Sword==> Empty(8)
10) --> Combustion==> Empty(10)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Empty(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Empty(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Empty(16)
18) --> Health==> Empty(18)
20) --> Stamina==> Empty(20)
22) --> Glacial Armor==> Empty(22)
24) --> Build Up==> Empty(24)
26) --> Energy Absorbtion==> Empty(26)
28) --> Fire Sword Circle==> Empty(28)
30) --> Taunt==> Empty(30)
32) --> Hibernate==> Empty(32)
35) --> Incinerate==> Empty(35)
38) --> Greater Fire Sword==> Empty(38)
41) --> Char==> Empty(41)
44) --> Fire Blast==> Empty(44)
47) --> Fire Ball==> Empty(47)
49) --> Hasten==> Empty(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Hmm your build seems really really toggle heavy and there are a few unecessary toggles like tough and icicles, personally i feelt these powers for what they do are a waste of endurance. You missed perma frost which gives res to slow which is really handy.

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For the record I rate Icicles. For PvE it does better DPS and has better DPE than the PbAoEs in the Fire Secondary.

Wet Ice already has slow resistance, I don't notice the slow-down running on caltrops so that means that Permafrost only gives Resistance to fire...

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It's more single target harder hitting build which is from PvP. Basically i was going to include medicine but theres no point in having that if you have hibernate which is a great power in PvP imo. For PvE in my experience of teaming with ice tanks they can hold aggro perfectly with CE, taunt is there for PvP which is really annoying to have in PvP. I also included focussed accuracy as i think that power is fantastic its one of the most powerful self buff powers. and you can even slow 1accuracy 3damage 1recharge1endurance redux with it and hit fine. I slotted shields for 3endurance redux just to completely hack down endurance costs those slots can easily be transferable. Also included CJ and hurdle with ss that travel power is great. You could even get rid of conserve power and have SJ, as i doubt with this build you'll have endurance problems.

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Why are you talking about PvP he said he is PvE only?


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Permafrost does give Slow RES, but so do Wet Ice and Energy Absorption - i.e. Unless you've got several stacked slows on you, you're never going to notice the extra from Permafrost.


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Permafrost does give Slow RES, but so do Wet Ice and Energy Absorption - i.e. Unless you've got several stacked slows on you, you're never going to notice the extra from Permafrost.

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That's kind of what I was getting at. But you put it more eloquently.


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Why are you talking about PvP he said he is PvE only?

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If you can play as a Tank in PVP, than PVE should be no problem. I don't see why a PVP build wouldn't work in PVE for Tanks. I don't even think a Tank should need a different build for PVP than for PVE.


 

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Why are you talking about PvP he said he is PvE only?

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If you can play as a Tank in PVP, than PVE should be no problem. I don't see why a PVP build wouldn't work in PVE for Tanks. I don't even think a Tank should need a different build for PVP than for PVE.

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For my PvP build on my Ice tank I'll slot 3 slows in Chilling Embrace(now it has only 2 slots, 1 end rdx and 1 taunt), pick powers in different order to be able to pvp even if exemped(in my current build I have only Barrage and Bone Smasher as attacks till lvl 35, I focused on taking damage, while for a pvp build you have to balance things bette )and maybe skip Icicles, Whirling hands and go for Energy Mastery epic(useful for FA in PvP but pretty pointless for tanking purposes in PvE)instead than THE PvE tanker pool: Pyre Mastery.


 

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Ah didn't know wet ice had slow res thought it was just permafrost. My bad.

I think a PvP build would do awesome in PvE aswell, and you'll be damn effective in both, only difference is less AoE damage which could arguably effect punchvoke however chilling embrace often sorts that out, along with spamming your attacks. Single target attacks often use less endurance aswell.

Energy mastery is useful in PvE because of conserve power. Focused accuracy can allow you to manage your slots and slot something like 1accuracy 3damage 2 endurance redux or even miss out the accuracy in PvE and slow your attacks with damage endrdx and recharge.

If you want AoE you could even get the crappy damage energy torrent

Pyre mastery could even be useful in PvP hold is always good and fire blasts do the highest damange iirc. But hey focused accuracy is uber, yo.


 

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But hey focused accuracy is uber, yo.

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Agreed but in PvE it has little to no use since ED because you can slot 1-2 accuracy and already be sure to hit anything because you can't 6 slot for damage(wich was the whole point of picking FA).
In PvE for aggro control there's nothing that can match Pyre Mastery, the fireball comes late indeed, but once you have it you're really an aggro magnet; along with Fire Melee AoE and Chilling Embrace there's no way you'll lose any aggro