Zombie Man

Really? You're gonna play those types of semantic games to make points?

You just made the case why there should be an option to T1 Secondary! (Or, at least why some T1 Secondaries need a buff.)

'Some sort' of mitigation is not 'effective' mitigation. Entangling Arrow immobilizing one of three minions does not stop it from shooting at you and does not mitigate the damage from the other two minions. Give me a second attack, please, or a heal, or a shield. Give me a hold to actually stop the attacks of that minion. Even Gale is more helpful than that.

That's a severe case. There should be no severe cases. When you can say, "This character, on it's own can solo very easily, but this one very difficultly", then there needs to be some sort of redress.

It may be more of a case of being in the right zone for your real level, not your SSK level. Also, you have the be the knocker... you will never get it from someone else's knock.

I'm happy you like your lack of choice.

Notice I didn't say whose brain.

And... I got your nose!

So D&D doesn't give you a whole list of first level spells to chose from but instead, the GM makes you pick one you won't be using after and hour or two?

So the real super heroes that exist can't pick their secondary power from several choices but God gives them one they won't be using against tougher foes? Oh, wait...

Yay, now that Villains can go Rogue and do the KHTF and get the Witch's hat, it's available redside!!!

Oh.. wait...

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EDIT: Added the info to the Wiki.

Why stop at foisting one power you don't like? Make leveling up give you a standard line-up of powers that everyone gets at the same level.

Now think of those powers in your primary and secondary you would never take when given the choice of some other power or a power pool or an ancillary power. And think of that power being forced on you at a certain level.

This way, you get several powers you don't like. It would be good to that because it's anti-instant-gratification!

There are only a few things new and they're listed here: paragonwiki.com/wiki/Halloween_Event_2010.

There's no need of a guide.

Slightly.

1. The question is: Was that original design decision a good one; and, was it implemented correctly? Answering the second question first, compare Hide and Gale... not implemented correctly.

The first question is resolved by answering the question: just how sub-optimal is sub-optimal? Most of the powers we take can be scaled up, enhanced, or still found to be useful at higher levels. But then there are some powers that many players remove from their trays as being not worth keeping. The Origin powers were meant to be only useful at very low powers and I don't think anyone's calling for them to be buffed or worked around. But a when a power from the secondary set is forced upon a player and it has little value past level 6... it's more than simply a lesser power, it become useless (yes, I know there's a situation to be imagined to make any power useful at that moment... I'm talking about actually using the power, not letting it languish for a once a month moment).

Tankers just got their Tier 1 attack that's forced on them buffed with Bruising. That was an attack many removed from their attack chain as soon as they could. Now they want it. But that goes against your principle that such a power should be sub-optimal. Their Bruising attacks are no longer sub-optimal. Hide is not sub-optimal. Gale and single target immobs are very sub-optimal.

I'm not saying the Tier 1 Secondary Power should outshine the primary powers, but it shouldn't be so underpowered that it goes unused. And yet, that's the situation so many secondary powersets find themselves.

If you won't allow the choice of taking something else, will you get on the band wagon of buffing all the Tier 1 Secondary Powers to be as useful as a Bruising Attack or as Hide?

2. A little bit of straw man since I didn't argue for free form power selection. Just an option at the first level of selection. That is a *huge* difference than what you think I'm arguing for.

3. Whim? The nearly universal revilement of Gale is a whim? You have been reading the boards for the past 6 years, right? This argument has come up a large number of times by a lot of sound individuals. Take your crazy paint and apply it to something that it will stick to. It's got no traction here. Call my argument 'a whim' and I'll call your argument 'inflexible.' Now where do we go from here in an honest discussion?

Going from a 50% buff to a 33% buff means they'll be losing 17% of base speed, which is 2.43 mph.

If they already don't have Sprint [EDIT: I meant 'Swift'], they'll get it for free as an inherent and they can put a Fly IO in there and get a 19.4% buff of 2.78 mph.

Just because that tray says #4 doesn't mean it's tray number four. If it's the first one you opened, then it's tray1, even though you changed with the slider buttons the numbering of the tray.

Try using tray1 to tray9 to find out which one is correct.

OK, I was about to smugly post the relevant note in the Patch Notes from I18 which say that Fly speed base was buffed to 33%... but the Patch Notes say 50%!

That's different from when I18 was in Beta and the notes said a 33% buff and Castle acknowledged that the 50% buff was a bug.

So, I just shot off a PM to Castle about this to see what's what.