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The -res is almost always better than the -regen, unless you're trying to solo them. It's actually why I didn't list Kinetics higher, since you're more likely to get a higher damage contribution from the multiplicative effect of -resistance as opposed to the additive effect of +dam.

Traps and Cold both do -resistance very well.


Defensively, I can see due to the stacked -damage. That's why I mentioned the set - and while I knew that the slow in Siphon Speed is flagged unresistable, I never bothered to try to quantify it so usually discount it entirely.

Offensively, see my comments above.

I've only run this through on 3 characters so far, and my first time through was on a Warshade with no warnings of what to expect. (Not so) oddly, I did much better before the portals were destroyed on her. I only noticed that I was hit with Curse after the ready supply of bodies dwindled, and I had to come back to finish off Honoree. Once I got Honoree down Holtz was a joke due to range, KB, and -rech.

The second time through I was on a team, so it doesn't count, and on a perma-PA Ill/Rad, so that run shouldn't count anyway.

The third time was my EM/ElA Brute - no real issues but she has lots of endurance management.

Future attempts are likely to be dropped, simply because I can.

While I can't say much about the first couple of points, the "made of paper" bit is cured at level 38. My Warshade is one of my favorite characters.

This is how I normally do it, with a couple of exceptions.

My first 50 was an Ice/Rad Corruptor, and while not "unplayable" she's been highly annoying for me ever since the animation time change in Ice Blast (from 1s to 1.67s) that Corruptors were told wouldn't be added when the animations were changed for Blasters put dead-time into the attack chain which just bothers me. That really holds true for everything Ice Blast, though.

But I haven't deleted her, and won't because occasionally I still get her out to nab some badges. The reason I didn't delete my EM/Elec Brute with the ET nerf was also due to badges (I had actually stopped playing her very often before it happened) but have found myself playing her a bit more often - if nothing else, while the chain still is full of painfully slow animations the slower Fury decay was an indirect buff to Brute EM.

But my FM/SA Brute was deleted at 50 for all of the reasons in the OP, and most of the characters that I grow to hate end up being deleted.

The number is close, but a little misleading with how you have the parentheses - for clarity, the slotting counts as part of the ~205%.

To fully answer the question here's the math behind it:

Hasten has a base 450 second recharge, with a 0.73 second animation. The duration is 120 seconds, so we'll call it 119 seconds to get the next animation in before it wears off.

The recharge formula is final recharge = base recharge / ( 1 + recharge buffs )

Plug in the numbers to get 119 = 450 / ( 1 + x ).

Basic algebra gives you 119 + 119x = 450; simplify to 119x = 331; x = 331/119 or 2.7815 (ie, 278.2%).

Hasten provides 70% of that, so 208.2% for "minimum" with no slotting, 175.2 global recharge with a single even-level recharge SO, call it 166% global recharge with a level 50 common recharge IO, and 109-114 three-slotted with recharge depending on whether or not you use common IOs or SOs.

Phase Shift is a toggle. >.>

A similar mechanic to prevent it from extending past 30 seconds and either an effect similar to NoPhase or just a long and/or fixed recharge would limit the power.

Flipping isn't buying for under vendor cost and vendoring - although that's a very restrictive (ie, low profit) way of doing the same thing. At it's most basic, it's simply "buy low, sell high".

By just placing low bids on items you don't ever plan on using, then selling them for whatever you can get for them, you can get a good turnaround. I don't do it myself since I tend to only bid on things that I plan on using for my own characters, but if you look at prices of things (particularly the cost of a recipe vs constructed costs) you can probably figure out some good places to start.

Yes, but I'm specifically mentioning AoE size, not "range" - all of the effects have the same "range" (ie, the maximum distance that you can target and have the game allow the power to go off without an "out of range" error). That's one of the aspects of the power that I believe is constant across all of the effects (along with endurance cost, animation time, rooted time, and a few others).

It would definitely make more sense from the player's point of view to see that Lightning Rod and post-nerf Shield Charge only deal their full damage to a small radius (3' and 5' respectively, iirc), but I don't know that it wasn't originally deliberately obfuscated just to prevent people from figuring those parts out to prevent reverse-engineering.

I'm not certain that is the case, but if it was I don't think it would be worthwhile to try to get each radius outside of the game since most of it's public/shared knowledge at this point for the few powers that have varying AoE sizes and inside the game you have questions about where to place it in the UI and if it's worth it compared to just reading all of the effects in order and regurgitating them onto what's already there. Already some things that you can find on City of Data aren't present in the "in-game" numbers - such as elusivity - and if I were guessing it's because it simply discards anything that the UI handler doesn't understand.

TL;DR version: yes it makes sense, but I don't expect it to happen.

Thus my first post in the thread after reading the first page explaining everything and the replies to those posts. Besides, given the OP's forum handle, it had to be done. It was a moral imperative!

When did logic enter this thread? Was I missing something?

Smartphone app*. >.>





* - Which could be used for either viewing current prices without logging on, or with a login/character select screen to buy/sell without moving the character to the market. To prevent issues, you'd be unable to log on to an account while the game account is logged on, but unlike the game client you wouldn't be able to force someone on the game account offline by attempting to do so.

I can completely agree with the usefulness of being able to unload the "vendor trash" at the market, but without the ability to do that I don't see any need to show what a vendor will pay there.

I already know that at a vendor common salvage goes for 250, uncommon goes for 1000, rares go for 5000, set IO recipes go for level * 1000 for uncommons and 2000 for rares, and common IO recipes above level 20 are worth more than at the market - just showing the price a vendor would pay doesn't add any functionality.

To the highlighted part: sortof, but not really. It depends on how you define "attack" and "secondary effects".

Specifically, the power activates, possibly has a to-hit roll, and then the effects of the power go off - and these effects can have different AoE radius and max targets. If the attack does smashing damage, that's "an effect"; if it also does energy, that's a separate effect entirely. If there's a "chance for" something happening, such as a 50% chance for stun or 50% chance for more energy damage, there's another roll to determine if that effect happened or not. If there's a specific condition for something to happen, such as kMeter > 0.9 (ie, Hidden status or Domination active) then all of those effects go off - whether it's another tick of damage or another hold that lasts a little longer.

So, is each tick of damage a separate attack, or is it all lumped into one attack because it all relies on one initial tohit? Well, at that point it's all semantics. But if you count the different damage ticks as different attacks, then each secondary effect is also a "different attack", because it's treated the same way.

And for what it's worth, Tankers have NO single-target attack powers. Gauntlet works (and many, many procs were broken causing them to turn Gauntlet off temporarily right after i9) because all of their "single target" attacks are actually AoE attacks, where the damage component is restricted to just the target and the taunt portion being distributed to the full AoE. Stalker Ablating Strike works the same way (so that it can complete the Sweep combo), which is why you see it listed with a 10' AoE.

*shrug* Perception range is 45' for minions (admittedly, 55' for bosses, but most squishies can't reliably one-shot mez a boss so 60' means nothing there), and there's a delay before mobs attack after they notice you. Given that I routinely get Fault off - which has a 20' range - before the spawn gets a chance to react on both of my SM Brutes, I'd say that if you really wanted to you have plenty of active mitigation available to you.

Just like a squishy saying that they have no way of dealing with mez - something that you were the one disputing - saying that Claws has no active mitigation doesn't make it true. It's probably one of the worst sets you could've picked as an example, since it actually has ranged mitigation and the lower recharges make it really easy to keep things constantly either falling down or getting back up. If you choose not to use it, that's your own fault.

Shockwave and Focus say hi, and told me to tell you how hurt they were that you forgot all about them.

Hit 60% Fury? >.>



It's expensive to perma, true - but right now I think my Ill/Rad only has 2 purple sets with perma IW (hold + confuse). It didn't seem all that expensive, but I also had a lot of merits lying around and the confuse set was waiting since before she hit 50.

I think the highlighted portion shows the response to pretty much every suggestion made so far, which just leaves one question for balance purposes:

So, when do Scrappers get nerfed, then?

It's debatable whether or not you can count VEATs and Dominators as "support ATs"... so the other exception would be a Controller with Psi Mastery.

None of those seem to give up a great deal, unless you mean "not taking Fireball" for the Controller.

I suppose if I'm posting a nitpick, I shouldn't use "protection" since when referring to mezzes in this particular game it means something different than "a manner of mitigation", but I meant for the term to cover more than simply drain resistance: for example, all of the defense-based sets care far less about Sappers than Fiery Aura because they're just not very likely to get hit. I know that my Energy Aura, Ninjitsu, Super Reflexes, and Shields characters don't worry much about getting drained, and none of those sets has drain resistance and only EA has a means of refilling. True, no set - even Electric Armor - is completely immune to endurance drain and recovery debuffs, but a large number of the sets could care less by the time you start running into Malta.


And yet this is exactly what was done in i13's PvP revamp, so while I mostly agree with the point, it doesn't appear that the developers do.

How many armor sets have endurance drain protection? How many Stalkers worry about a single Sapper in a spawn? I actually worry far more about Mu (or Clockwork) in the lower levels, because endurance drain protection is hard-capped far below what most sets provide until late in your character's career.


It's not likely that everyone is going to slot that much range into those powers, though...

If you're talking about the base range of a reliable mez, Defenders get two sets and Corruptors only get one set (Psi - which can go out to 100' - and Ice Blast only has BFR at 80'). The ranged mezzes are usually 60' range, with a couple of exceptions (Cosmic Burst is 40', Dark Pit is 70' and could hit 80' due to AoE size but can't target something at that range, and Power Push is 70' if you're counting it due to being the only 100% reliable KB in the set).