Probably Cold or Traps. Both have -res, -regen and provide defense.
I'll echo Cold and Traps for the -res/-regen/defense, and include Kinetics as a "nice to have" for the -dam (which isn't any more resisted by AVs than anything else) and faster for everyone else on the team.
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And yet Dark Miasma is still a favorite of mine. It has -res, -regen, -damage and -tohit in addition to a pet that brings more of the same (except for no -res from the pet), so it's not completely useless against an AV.
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Dark falls short on -regen. Since an even level AV has 85% regen debuff resistance, twilight grasp only reduces the AV's regen by 7.5%. While I am a fan of Dark, there is a noticeable difference between its effectiveness against AVs and the other sets mentioned.
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And yet Dark Miasma is still a favorite of mine. It has -res, -regen, -damage and -tohit in addition to a pet that brings more of the same (except for no -res from the pet), so it's not completely useless against an AV.
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cold or dark. the def and -tohit can also make a big difference. take an envenomed dagger along if you want more -regen.
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You left out dark servant's twilight grasp, and howling twilight has a nice burst of -regen, too. Crank up the recharge.|
Originally Posted by LuxunS
Dark falls short on -regen. Since an even level AV has 85% regen debuff resistance, twilight grasp only reduces the AV's regen by 7.5%. While I am a fan of Dark, there is a noticeable difference between its effectiveness against AVs and the other sets mentioned.
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That said Rad, Cold, and Traps are tops for -regen. TA has a nod to the -regen also.
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I recall a thread discussed here in the defender forums that siphon speed is not resisted by AVs which is a nice piece of AV smacking pie. The endurance drain/endurance boost to team isn't shabby either.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
I'll echo Cold and Traps for the -res/-regen/defense, and include Kinetics as a "nice to have" for the -dam (which isn't any more resisted by AVs than anything else) and faster for everyone else on the team.
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I think kinetics is good for it. If we are talking -regen for AVs transfusion is up very quickly, is -4.974 regen as opposed to benumb's -5 regen. Transfusion also heals the melee folks near the AV and Kinetics can SB the team as well as boost the damage of the team in order speed up the AV stomping even further.
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Kinetics is only very slightly behind rad,cold, and traps for -regen (something like -0.026 according to red tomax) and has the added benefit of healing the team near the AV. Just thought that it needed to be on that list there.|
Originally Posted by Psylenz
That said Rad, Cold, and Traps are tops for -regen. TA has a nod to the -regen also.
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*EDIT* totally sorry for the double post. I'm at work and have been pulling 13 hours shifts lately so spaced that i answered twice, lol.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Probably Cold or Traps. Both have -res, -regen and provide defense.
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Kinetics is only very slightly behind rad,cold, and traps for -regen (something like -0.026 according to red tomax) and has the added benefit of healing the team near the AV. Just thought that it needed to be on that list there.
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Kin for it's debuffs and buffs. Teams hardly seem to stroll through TFs these days. It's get it done and move on. Kin let's you do that the best. Rad, Cold, and Kin would be my top three in some order. /sonic is the ideal blast set.
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Originally Posted by Griff Mender
I think kinetics is good for it. If we are talking -regen for AVs transfusion is up very quickly, is -4.974 regen as opposed to benumb's -5 regen. Transfusion also heals the melee folks near the AV and Kinetics can SB the team as well as boost the damage of the team in order speed up the AV stomping even further.
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Dark is somewhere in between. Howling Twilight provides the same -regen as Cold and Rad but unlike the others cannot be made permanent. On the other hand Twilight Grasp gives it a little extra -regen (equal to Transfusion) which is up permanently.
For up time Traps is technically the best since it has 40second duration 90second recharge but since it's an area debuff that has to be reapplied every 10seconds it can have worse uptime against certain AVs (Battle Maiden and the CoP boss come to mind) plus since trappers rarely want to stay in melee range of an AV for to long it requires more effort to apply.
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Actually you're looking at the PvP values for Kinetics. In PvE Transfusion has -0.5 regen or a tenth or that provided by Cold or Rad and a twentieth of that provided by Traps. It's a nice bonus but it doesn't drop their regen as much as the other sets.
Dark is somewhere in between. Howling Twilight provides the same -regen as Cold and Rad but unlike the others cannot be made permanent. On the other hand Twilight Grasp gives it a little extra -regen (equal to Transfusion) which is up permanently. For up time Traps is technically the best since it has 40second duration 90second recharge but since it's an area debuff that has to be reapplied every 10seconds it can have worse uptime against certain AVs (Battle Maiden and the CoP boss come to mind) plus since trappers rarely want to stay in melee range of an AV for to long it requires more effort to apply. |
And there's more to taking on AVs then -regen even if that seems to be the first and maybe only thing people talk about.
Don't forget acid mortar -resist and web 'nade -recharge on top of poison gas trap's -recharge.
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Don't forget acid mortar -resist and web 'nade -recharge on top of poison gas trap's -recharge.
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It is my opinion that web 'nade is very underrated. Immobilizing the AV can be very useful.
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Definitely kinetics. They debuff enemy damage and buff ally damage with the same powers. Against a single AV, kinetics ends up being superior to a lot of sets both offensively and defensively.
Cold, for sure, but don't knock Son either. DF & Son Siphon pack a lot of -res debuffs, and the shields don't hurt either. My Son/Son makes AV fights trivial. Er, but so do my Rad, Cold, Kin, Storm, Dark... so really, the correct answer is all of them (that provide debuffs anyway).
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And there's more to taking on AVs then -regen even if that seems to be the first and maybe only thing people talk about.
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Traps and Cold both do -resistance very well.
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Definitely kinetics. They debuff enemy damage and buff ally damage with the same powers. Against a single AV, kinetics ends up being superior to a lot of sets both offensively and defensively.
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Offensively, see my comments above.
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To be honest as a Kin fanboy, I would want one Kin on the team, but that's really about it. After that it's pretty much pure debuffers.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
The -res is almost always better than the -regen, unless you're trying to solo them. It's actually why I didn't list Kinetics higher, since you're more likely to get a higher damage contribution from the multiplicative effect of -resistance as opposed to the additive effect of +dam.
Traps and Cold both do -resistance very well. Defensively, I can see due to the stacked -damage. That's why I mentioned the set - and while I knew that the slow in Siphon Speed is flagged unresistable, I never bothered to try to quantify it so usually discount it entirely. Offensively, see my comments above. |
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