SilverAgeFan

Once agro'd, she runs off and he says:

Has this exchange been there a long time? Or was this recently added foreshadowing of the "new girlfriends" in i24? Serious question.

I imagine with this announcement you'll see at least 12 pocket D's!

Duplicated but not moved please. In fact collars under both shoulders AND detail 2 would be appreciated by many an advanced CC user. Though admittedly this may be confusing to novice CC users.

A winning strategy for sure. But not everyone is in a line of work that permits them to camp the feed and their account window for five minutes every half hour. I'm sure this counterpoint was raised in the other thread as well.

Great news! Thanks for filling me in on that. Been pretty far out of the loop for about 3 months.

Been subbed but away to accommodate a busy work schedule. I love the costume creator and until now had access to every costume bit (except the exclusive CoV cape) ever made available. I like it that way.

It is a bit disheartening to find out that when I come back after a hiatus of a few months (again still subscribed, just not playing) that two bits I could have used: the Kirby dots aura and the tri-corner hat have currently come and gone with no announced return or wider availability for either.

I think that the action/tower defense game Dungeon Defenders does a much better job. They create new thematic challenge maps for each holiday season and to coincide with steam promotional sales. These are often available for free for about a week. After that, $.49 a piece. In that case, if you want to play a particular challenge map with friends, you too need to unlock the map content for your game. But it is always there, available in the store after the promotional period.

As you say, this on the shelf for free then away and out of reach for months if not years does breed a level of disappointment that though not game-breaking does for me add one more gram to the scale when coming back after a hiatus and weighing, "Do I really want to get back into CoH?"

There should be a new aura and a new cce as well Sam.

Oh and a new splishy splashy vanity pet.

This post states in a self-aware manner a number of the sociological reasons I don't like the PvP "community." It accurately describes the sort of behavior I have seen on many forays into PvP. And the conclusion is an excellent rebuttal to the rage-eyed PvP advocates in this and other threads who essentially say over and over "Get a thick skin. The trash talk is PART of PvP! IT'S FUN! Or ignore it and still PvP!"

But at the end of the day, the trash talk along with the utter lack of sportsmanship (meaning sore losers who quit upon death or switch sides to further imbalance a zone or only team with vets on vent even in pickup scenarios or gang up on newbies or badgers, etc.; people who repeatedly target players new to PvP over and over and over; gloat after beating someone, experienced or otherwise; demand that everybody get as serious as they are and spend billions on their builds; lol<powername_here> at people who have different priorities and are only PvP curious; and ultimately insist that because there isn't a game mechanic denying access to any of these and other behaviors that "PvP is an anything goes environment so everyone must suck it up and come feel my wrath! GRRRRR!")--all this adds up for most people to an entirely unpleasant experience. Personally, I don't think either yoghurt or (decent) documentaries are that bad. For me, PvP in CoH, between these social aspects and the mechanical problems, is usually on par with preparing my taxes.

[edit to be clear: So it's not necessarily a bunch of "care bares" running home crying to mommy. In mine, and it sounds like others' cases, it's about a bunch of adults with rather full and robust lives who simply have better things to do with their limited time than put up with a room full of adolescent acting people on the internet. For many of us, our hormones have settled down, we've been there, done that, and it's simply neither fun nor pleasurable.]

In the past few years, only at "party events" (like frostyfrozen's last days of Galaxy celebration) when a player I know and trust from a global channel is fostering an inclusive atmosphere have I found myself enjoying any CoH PvP. The mechanics still feel broken as hell. The "PvP drops that never drop" still feel like an obnoxious developer taunt. But I have been able to have fun. Simply because the atmosphere is inclusive and underscores that at the end of the day, win or lose, die or defeat, the whole venture is about everyone having a good time together. Trash talk was at a minimum. And more specifically the gloating and temper tantrums were not at all present. And veteran PvPers on the server made a point of evening out the teams in terms of skill and experience level. And in the free-for-all rounds, those same vets focused on each other, letting others have a fighting chance to stay alive and figure out what was going on.

For those of you who are coming down hard on those of us who say sportsmanship really does matter in getting people to PvP, let me ask you this: How's that "anything goes, no rulez" mentality working out for you? Finding a lot of people to play with?

Proof is in the pudding kiddos.

That's one gem of an image.

That sounds like some sort of PvEvP, which is not only an anagram but is also quite fun to say! Either way, it sounds intriguing and fun. Sad to say most the RP and RP-lite folks I used to run with have all but retired at this point. We would have had a blast with this "back in the day."

EDIT: Replace anagram with i-Palendrome-i

Not just a rough wood skinning, but a gnarly knotted length of wood with a vine corkscrewing around it, a couple stray leaves and a blossom or two at one end. Something to compliments the autumnal aura and the leaked ***** *****, ****** ******** and ********* ***** sets. Because druids run in packs, yo.

Similarly, I think Titan Weapons could use a proper tree trunk with roots and a version of the old "crumble" aura fixed to the root end.

A big part of why this was, IMO, one of the most fun things that other title offered: because losing didn't simply mean you lost. In fact it created a dynamic where the survivors had little time to smack talk as the game was still up and running. And losing just meant you switched sides. It wasn't about winning. It was about good silly fun.

And though I forget how chat worked there, this also creates a plausible context that chat from the zombie side could be censored into "Gnarrrrrrrr! Rrrrrrr! Brainssssss!" if necessary.

I've often thought that PvP would be more fun if someone got to be a giant monster or the equivalent of an-uber mastermind with 50 or so NPC type drones to send at a team of heroes. (Or if this was at least one stage of just one minigame scenario offered by PvP.)

My point was the spirit of all those complaints is in regards to a lack of overall sportsmanship many people have experienced with non-private PvP play in this (and perhaps other) MMO(s). Sportsmanship often not only involves restraint from letting trash talk degrade into racist, sexist and homophobic insults. It also involves jovial and encouraging banter on the part of the more skilled and experienced. Sportsmanship represents the best that team sports has to offer to the development and socialization of a young adult.

Your suggestion to /ignore or even worse, turn off the chat channels, is like joining a pickup basketball game while wearing earmuffs. If a PvP community ever wants to grow, regardless of the brokenness of COH's system, restraint of the trash talk and adoption of more a sportsmanly demeanor are both essential.

In the particular sentence I quoted, you essentially barged in and said "If you can't tolerate antisocial behavior then you're an idiot." If you don't see the irony in that or that your tone might be somewhat offputting, I can't really help you.

Anyways, back on the main topic, in the past I've enjoyed PvP from time to time. But I agree with the overall sentiments here:

• Lack of interesting dynamics and win conditions
• The joy of losing was not well considered when PvP was designed. (If you're going to lose between 25%-75% of the time in one aspect of a game, it should be almost as fun as winning!)
• On paper, I was a fan of the proposed i13 changes but after spending 95%+ of my time in PvE environments, characters just feel off.
• Inventions have dragged PvP more towards lewt based dominance
• Very little sportsmanship amongst the core PvP groups I've encountered which was further bolstered by the far-too-rare drop rates of PvP recipes, further reinforcing "gank" behaviors.

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Hwinsian much?

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...I wonder if Bosun Hwinsian is still available on Virtue.

I'm still pretty PO'd that the debuff set was nixed in beta. I guess the infection toggle power was deemed too powerful...