Nefarious_EU

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Psi tornado does have a good Knockup, and -Recharge, plus a very low resisted damage type.

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No no NO! This is said so often but is so untrue! When you get access to the epics in the 40s, half of the enemies you fight are resistant to psi damage - carnies (with psi def too), pretty much all the Praetorians and not to mention all types of robots.

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as said earlier, its for pvp, not pve.. and in pvp psi is barely resisted.

man, pink santahats really help to find yourself on screenies lol

anyway, good attempt, fun all around and crashing the mapserver sure is fun as well lol

any AT over 45 is of use.. we need the numbers

prob is you are only allowed 1 control main item on the hidden plots, if you want 2 control rooms (and thus 2 main control items) you need to buy a secure plot.

easier is just to buy a bigger control room which supports more control aux equipment, iirc you can get one for 600k

relax J.. breathe in, breathe out

anyway, have to inform you that I prolly wont be able to make it intime and prolly will show up bout 30 mins late, so save a spot above that jelly for me

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"Pure" tank an ice/ice? Try and say that to an AV.....

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I said it to clamor when we did sis psyche mate, and she didnt seem to be too happy bout it . It all depends on your slotting and your playstyle. Bout a week ago I teamed with nother ice tank, same lvl as mine. However I always ended up pulling aggro away from him because he just charged headlong into a group of enemies.

Ice tanks require a bit of planning before you move in. But as said, if you have someone with debuffs on your team, or an empath with fort.. ice tanks are near unstoppable (if played right)

must say i like my earth/storm and you can totally cripple an enemy with its AoEs.. (freezing rain + quicksand + snowstorm + earthquake = not alot of happy enemies)

course.. unless its posted that it is cancelled you can rest assure its still going on

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You can slot it for Acc and Taunt duration. But as has been said, overall you will struggle to compete with the abilities of a tanker. However, at least pre ED, my WS Dark Dwarf had very good survivability slotted up with defence enhancements. Now I've got def and end rec slotted. Haven't tried him out in battle with these changes yet.

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dont you mean damage resistance enhances? pre-ED I was able to tank pretty good with my dwarf with it slotted 4x damres 2x endrecov (now end mod). I still have it slotted that way even though its not optimal with ED, but I still can tank pretty well. However be sure to add acc enhances on your taunt so you can taunt that annoying boss charging that teammate of yours

first of all, grats on choosing a nice powerset

as said before, dont go 3-acc slotting (except flash which has acc debuff) and especially not blind seeing blind already has a +10% acc buff.

Second of all, why do you want tp foe? Is it meant for pvp? In pve I dont see much use for it if you got FF as secondary, you actually want the enemy to keep as far away from you as possible. Suggest you swap tp foe for spec terror as spec terror is a great power to keep a big mob under control (especially with the massive recharge on flash). 3 fear duration slots on spec terror should do it, more slots should just be put in endrdx.

Also I suggest getting stamina earlier, with all those bubbles being cast and casting control powers you'll be out of end VERY fast (I cursed myself for not getting stamina until first respec).

Also indeed slot your PA with maxed recharge, the faster you can cast them the better.

With hasten I have found out I dont really need a rechg on blind, but that might just be me. The extra rechg on deceive in combo with hasten isnt needed as well, seeing the long animation time of deceive (6 secs) is enough for it to recharge to be cast shortly after. But again, that is just my personal preference.

Insulation shield.. hmm.. useful power at lower lvls, but at the higher lvls where elemental dmg mobs get fewer and fewer I respecced it out later.

For the rest it looks like a pretty solid build, and when I got time I'll post the build of stage on here if you'd like to compare.

On top of that a little gameplay tip, when fighting with bubbles up, try to fight in group invis mode rather than sup invis seeing sup invis + bubbles = end drain.

If you got any questions feel free to drop me a line

yeah i gotta agree that rep isnt really a good way to show a good pvper.. i know that my tank is regarded as a threat to villains when pvping yet he barely has rep cause he rarely deals the killer blow. i tend to team with an empath and a damage dealer so the empath can keep fort on me while i get alot of villains gunning on me while the damage dealer kills them yet this means i barely get any rep

well ill be joinin the pa droppers as usual but prob is my comp went [censored] this weekend and i really hope i got it coh-compliant again by the 22nd =\

ice/ice isnt that bad a combo, actually i kinda enjoy it (and villains in BB/sirens hate it )

however, consider that with all the nerfs thrown around you have to be careful with ice. Especially when you're ice ice, dont just charge in and see what happens. You're best bet is to bunch em together (chilling embrace is great for that), get in the middle, fire Energy Absorption (def buff for every enemy around you), fire Ice Patch and start smashing. Not sure if EA can still be stacked, i'll have to check it out when i got my comp fixed again.

The combo of Ice Patch + CE make sure you can sustain a nice DPS and with 2 recharge in IP you can keep it perma (even have 2 at once). 1 recharge will give you a downtime of few secs. This is without hasten however, so if you pick hasten numbers may vary.

As said before however, /ice isnt the power for actually laying the hurt on your enemies, its good at controlling your enemies but for damage you should pick /ss or /fire.

Ice/ice really shines in teams as you can most of times take enough of the aggro, keep the enemies occupied (slowed, held, knocked down) with your attacks while your teammates do the major damage. If I can take the time for it I could post the build of Ice Duke on here, but I tuned him a bit for PvP as well.

Also if you got an empath on your team and you need to do some major tanking, get him to cast fort on you, it seems to make quite a big diff if you tank with or without fort. With fort on im just a lean mean killing machine .

If you need any help with your build, feel free to toss me a msg.

I think ill controllers are an exception to the "dont rely on pets" rule seeing illusion is almost (yes i said ALMOST) all about pet usage for control

right, off to get that 3rd cossie for duke then.. now would he be santa, an elve or frosty the snowman?

hey mate, promised i'd be there but afraid i (probably) have to give up my spot. When i tried to log on my comp today i cant boot windows, just linux and afraid i cant fix it due to the fact i wont have access to a backup-HD and/or windows cd till monday. If i find another way around it ill be there, but i prolly wont be able to make it

gotta disagree with you hum..

doms are upgraded controllers? upgraded in what way? sure they may be upgraded in damage, but now lack (de)buffs and their crowd control is less than a controller... doesnt say I hate doms cause i kinda enjoy mine, but its wrong to say its an upgraded troller

comparing brutes and stalkers to be roughly the same is wrong as well.. they are meant to be played way different. A brute is meant to go on a fury rampage through mobs while stalkers are supposed to pick 1 off at a time, lurking in the shadows. Plus brutes can maintain a higher damage dealing compared to the single frontload damage of stalkers. (rage+full fury+KO blow... oh boy )

Robots not having much to offer? I play a robo myself (before EVERYBODY started rolling robo MMs). With the full upgrade your protector bots can disorient mobs (seeker drones + photon grenade -or whatever its called-). If you pick MM pick it based on how you tend to play yourself. If you like to stay at the back a bit blasting away, robots really are your best friend. Also MMs get some pretty nice (de)buffs. Also bots dont really need alot of special abilities once you get final upgrade seeing the stuns and the massive damage they deal is enough to rip through mobs anyway. Like I said, your choice of henchmen depends on your style of play. Having that said, there are indeed alot of bad robo MMs out there that can really mess up a good team.

hm fear ill have to skip then seein i prolly will hit the sack early for a change and being gmt+1 doesnt help much

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1º You were alone vs 4 stalkers...
2º You survive 2 AS !!!!
3º A stalker loking afk and not using hide , is a very clear sign of a trap :P

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1: Well, I didn't know that, did I? Thought he had just AS'ed another poor soul.
2: I survived -one-. The second missed, the third killed me and the fourth hit a corpse.
3: Se nr 1

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uhm you are just summing up why its not the AT to blame but maybe the player?
"I didnt know..." so you attack a player not considering whats around? you fell into a trap and then blame stalkers are overpowered. Those others that attacked you could have been other ATs for all that matters.. if it was the stalker bait, then in invis a dom around to hold you, corruptor to debuff you and MM to debuff/make mincemeat out of you, would you complain that doms, corrupters and MMs are overpowered as well?

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Now, I am aware that I'm about to be flamed by about a million ppl. I have seen it in so many posts already, but as there are so many posts about the problem, I'm figuring it really IS a problem.

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If you seen so many posts about it, why make a new thread about it? The "many posts about the problem" are mainly about people who cant take it that they just got beaten in pvp. They just realize they arent the unbeatable player they think they are and cant stand it. Posting alot about a problem doesnt mean it IS a problem. The content of those posts evaluate whether or not it really IS a problem.

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it's a bit strange that there are -no other AT you need extra powers just to be able to spot-

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2 words: Illusion Controllers. Making it even worse, you need more powers to protect you from those. With superior invisibilty being invisible to you (*gasp* now you need perception buffs!!! EEEEEEK!) you also need mez protection if you dont want him to hold you and then hand you over your backside on a silver platter. So whats gonna happen now? Illusion controllers need nerfs as well because we shouldnt be allowed to be invisible? Each AT has his ways to fight and each AT has flaws to counter him. For instance, my ice tank is a pretty tough guy in pvp, but as soon as somebody spams -def buffs on me im as good as dead.

Also you talk about not being able to do the same damage back to a stalker as he could do to you.. good idea, now nerf all the other ATs so controllers can match the damage output of the rest! After all, we dont want some people dealing more damage than others do we?

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I hit BuildUp and let loose. *MISS*MISS*

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And the fact that you can't attack them when they are hidden

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Maybe try firing up Aim as well with that buildup? or eat some yellow pills? I know alot of stalkers that arent too happy if there are energy blasters around because they can get planted bout as fast as they can AS(+followup) someone.

You say that alot of these posts are all about whining people and 'n00bs', but sorry to say I regard your post in the same list as the other sour losers. There are ways to counter stalkers.. without their hide (or AS for that matter.. or in your words hide AND AS) they arent that tough. But then again, if they are easy killings, you wouldnt be complaining, would you? It would be balanced then.. I rarely hear heroes complaining bout MMs not putting up much of a fight most of the times.

Now can we please quit with the "OMG! A Stalker just pwned me! ZOMG! h4xx0rz! NERF NERF!!!!11one one elevity-one" posts?

doesnt a REAL nuke involve.. well.. nuclear power? So rad gets pretty close to that :P

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Just as a crazy thought wouldnt it be nice if both bases had a PFF (personal force field) around them? Or a Base Force Field......attacks in an out both get nerfed, so no gimping people either way.

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aye at least this will prevent the dronehugging as well, though they should then also dismiss pets of a MM to prevent exploits like spawn pets outside - move in bubble - order pets to attack.

are those arena matches team matches or 1 on 1? Also is it possible to use diff chars for scavenger hunt and the arena matches? (probably wanna use stage for scavenger hunt and duke for arena)

still got it in my build and not planning on getting rid of it. It recharges fast enough to keep people taunted in pvp. I usually use it when im fighting quite a few people already around me (pvp and pve) and need to pull away that lone guy about to attack my teammate. In pvp teammates like it when you taunt that stalker that is about to AS him.

secondaries depend alot on your primary, for illusion empath would work out fine but for other primaries i wouldnt pick it seeing to be a decent empath you'd need to sacrifice too many control powers. Rad is good PvE indeed, but I also got an Earth/Storm controller and while storm might be better for PvP as you may say, I like it better than rad or kin on it. The storm offers a nice extra amount of control (quicksand+snowstorm+earthquake+freezing rain = alot of unhappy enemies). And of course its the player that makes the build great...

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u didnt state wat lvl u need to be but if its 43 i will be there


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its 44

btw, its doable in 1 night and more fun imo always fun to have 8 very tired players on your team trying to complete those final mishes (was the case last time i did it )