I think Psi is still the best, ok Indom Will is no longer perma (RIP 
) but you can get Psi damage for Containment which isn't widely resisted, Mez resist every now and again and of course a shield which covers Smash/Lethal as well as Psi.
The other pools don't really compare, Power comes close with Power Boost but you're probably planning PvP at 40+ so you'll be Arena-ing no? Psi is better cause you die less with it, Power Boost might help you get a kill every now and again.
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Nothing beats the fire epic, in PvE imo.
If you have a nice aoe immobilize which mind doesnt though.
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Even though the question was not about PvE as hobo said, I disagree.
Aoe immob + psionic tornado = dead bodies.
According to my hero planner, Mind over body also gives more smash/lethal resist than any other epic shield, not sure how accurate that is though... Then ofcourse there is the mez resist..
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Not trying to derail the thread or anything, but Fire is more effective at making dead bodies, though Psi tornado does have a good Knockup, and -Recharge, plus a very low resisted damage type. All in all I'd say Fire Epic doesn't have much over Psi, bar the end recovery power and slightly higher damage. With Psi you get better Control and more survivability, in both PvE and PvP.
World of Jackcraft.
Ok, never thought much of the end recovery power as my troller doesnt need it but obviously very useful.
Again, my hero planner has a higher brawl index for psi tornado than fireball, and the higher smash/lethal resist on mind over body. But that could just be a dodgy hero planner throwing me off.
Edit: Just so you know, I dont actually have either of them. I went stone for character concept.
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Just checked my planner - apparently the resists to smash/lethal are the same.
But yeah Psi tornado does have lower damage, but has more utility.
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No no NO! This is said so often but is so untrue! When you get access to the epics in the 40s, half of the enemies you fight are resistant to psi damage - carnies (with psi def too), pretty much all the Praetorians and not to mention all types of robots.
Could someone please give me a very brief Pros/Cons of the different epics so I know what I'm doing. Thanks.
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No no NO! This is said so often but is so untrue! When you get access to the epics in the 40s, half of the enemies you fight are resistant to psi damage - carnies (with psi def too), pretty much all the Praetorians and not to mention all types of robots.
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as said earlier, its for pvp, not pve.. and in pvp psi is barely resisted.
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In the post I quoted Jackhobo was talking about PvE.
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I think Psi is still the best, ok Indom Will is no longer perma (RIP ) but you can get Psi damage for Containment which isn't widely resisted, Mez resist every now and again and of course a shield which covers Smash/Lethal as well as Psi.
The other pools don't really compare, Power comes close with Power Boost but you're probably planning PvP at 40+ so you'll be Arena-ing no? Psi is better cause you die less with it, Power Boost might help you get a kill every now and again.
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I disagree. I think the epic depends on what powersets you have in the first place. As a /empathy, the primal forces pool is much more viable to me because Powerboost basically makes me invincible (powerboost -> RA -> Regen Aura), while power blast is a nice attack to use while I wait for my hold to recharge.
For my mind/storm I'll probably go primal as well, because the whole build is extremely endurance heavy and conserve power will help me combat this. It'd be either that or fire, but fireball costs a little bit too much endurance to be particularly viable in PvP, imo.
Right now I'm thinking of Fire or Psi. I already do Psi damage so Fire might be the better idea here. But when I reach lvl 40, if I find that I'm having endurance issues even with stamina I'll probably go Primal Forces to get Conserve Power.
Fire epic.
Pro's
- Great shield that stacks nicely with steamy mist.
- Great damage, fireball and fire blast have great animations, and are very fast. Fire ball will however drain your endurance very fast. This set has the best damage.
- Consume. Will be very very great for your endurance in the PvP zones where there are lots of mobs to help your endurance. We dont have a PvP zone for lvl 50's yet, so its a bit early to say if its good.
Cons
Very endurance heavy set.
Consume is [censored] in the arena.
Ok set.
Ice.
Pro's
- Great blast. Only really rivaled by fireblast.
- Hibernate is a great panic button, but its only really blasters and controllers that kills you, and blasters have great toggle drops. So it prolly wont work as a panic button. (I seem to remember that hibernate can be toggle dropped).
-The shield stacks with hurricane so melee'ers will have a very hard time to kill you.
Con's
- The shield doesnt give smash / lethat resistance, meaning that people who hit you will do a [censored] load of damage.
-Icestorm is bad.
The only really good thing for your build is ice blast.
Not really recommended for a mind / storm troller.
Psionic
Pro's
Mez protection. This is a huge Pro. You will have mez protection arround 2/3 of the time with 3 recharge and hasten. Giving you room for greens and blues.
Cons
Lousy blasts, if your going for lots of kills this wont be the powerpool for you. The damage is ok, but the animation is somewhat long, you might be able to ignore it since your storm, but I prefer faster blasts.
Great set, if your going for a more team based build this is the one. Even solo its quite ok cause of the mez protection.
Stone
Stone isnt PvP what so ever. Its the worst set, bad shield and bad blast. The only thing it has going for it is; Earth's Embrace which is a dullpain.
Primal
Pro's
Powerboost, its the reason to choose this line. Like the reason to take psychic is indom will.
Primal has a better blast and conserve power. The problem is that powerboost doesnt really help mind or storm that much in PvP. If you were mind / rad or emp, I would say take primal asap. Storm does however have a few nice slow powers and these can be very very effective with powerboost.
My conclussion is that there is only 3 real choices fire / primal / psychic. The two best of those for PvP are primal and psychic IMO. Picking one of the other is a matter of playstyle and who you normally PvP with. 1 on 1 you wont have any problems unless your fighting a troller with mez protection. You can still win over these but the lag of mez protection will make him a favourit. Against any others I prefer Primal cause the stacking slows with powerboost are so nasty. If you wanna have more time to play with tactics while PvPing psychic is for you, but if you wanna click every power you have all the time like me, consider primal.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Okay, so right now I'm thinking Primal or Fire. You say Fire is pretty end-draining, and I hear that mind/storm is already end-draining as it is, so I think I'll start the character and see how I cope with end before making a choice. I'll post my lvl 40 build ASAP. Cheers all.
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Psionic
Pro's
Mez protection. This is a huge Pro. You will have mez protection arround 2/3 of the time with 3 recharge and hasten. Giving you room for greens and blues.
Cons
Lousy blasts, if your going for lots of kills this wont be the powerpool for you. The damage is ok, but the animation is somewhat long, you might be able to ignore it since your storm, but I prefer faster blasts.
Great set, if your going for a more team based build this is the one. Even solo its quite ok cause of the mez protection.
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Lousy blasts? sit in on a mish with my fire/kin/psi controller and watch the kills fly in from the psionic tornado, the days i use my controller for a few hours i'm always top of the punisher board.
I remember what it was like to be on top of Punishers... back when Boro was the only Fire tank...
World of Jackcraft.
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I remember what it was like to be on top of Punishers... back when Boro was the only Fire tank...
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lol ahhh yes the good old days....im sure chives cud b there with a few pve hours 
Actually while leveling up I always was (That's if Kojak wasn't online of course)
World of Jackcraft.
Kojack, geez i remember those days... Very damn odd...
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Psionic
Pro's
Mez protection. This is a huge Pro. You will have mez protection arround 2/3 of the time with 3 recharge and hasten. Giving you room for greens and blues.
Cons
Lousy blasts, if your going for lots of kills this wont be the powerpool for you. The damage is ok, but the animation is somewhat long, you might be able to ignore it since your storm, but I prefer faster blasts.
Great set, if your going for a more team based build this is the one. Even solo its quite ok cause of the mez protection.
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Lousy blasts? sit in on a mish with my fire/kin/psi controller and watch the kills fly in from the psionic tornado, the days i use my controller for a few hours i'm always top of the punisher board.
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The guy asked about PvP not PvE, psychic epp's blasts is quite good in PvE, but they are somewhat laggin in PvP cause the animation of the blasts is quite long. If your not storm or Bubbles these blasts will get you killed.
50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
I don't think I could pass up Primal Forces with Power Boost. That power is jaw-dropping in the hands of a Controller.
So right now I'm planning a mind/storm build, built for PvP. But my question is which ancillary should I take?